Hi
I really need some help in terms of stopping testosterone while keeping my already gained low voice. I know that the voice change is permanent however I am not sure how long I must be on it and keeping it the way it became.  It's still cracking at times and I understand that but sometimes when I talk (in a higher pitch for example) I actually lose my voice where the words literally don't come out. Is this also normal when being on T? I've been on T for 3 months (after stopping and restarting) and if I was to stop it , I just don't want my voice to revert back.
While taking T really feels good in gaining bits of muscles and the voice, those are really the only changes that I wanted. Unfortunately I didn't notice any fat redistribution from hips, thighs, buttocks, breasts but maybe because I am on a low dose.

I wished as a non-binary male that there was a way for me to get exactly what I want; which is basically having the same face (meaning no change in structure and facial hair),with lower voice, and a male body.

I don't have answers for you, but I feel similarly about the desired changes. I was never interested in facial hair, I mainly want the lower voice, some more muscle, and to know what it feels like to have T in my body.
I like my face how it is.

I know, it's good to know that there are others who feel the same. It's really difficult for me to decide whether I should continue or not.

The voice changes should be a result of physiological changes, which have already taken place.  So basically what has already changed should already be permanent as the T has already effected and changed the physiology of your vocal cords.

Yes, that's what I thought too but when I took T for the first time for exactly 1 month, I stopped and then my voice literally went back to normal. So I am just wondering if taking it two months is considered enough for it to stay?

I honestly don't know.  Sorry.

your voice cracking should be evidence that some structures other than the muscular ones are changing, but how far settled these changes are... nobody really knows. try finding people who have been on t for 3 months, or until their voice started doing what your is doing, and then stopped. they might know something. but you could also look for people who've stopped after a year, and see what went back. that's also interesting to see.

Voice is probably permanent. I think there would be very little change, if any. The fat distribution is one of the last changes. Heard it can take 6 months or more. I didn't really notice much because mine was already pretty male patterned. But I think most guys see changes there after awhile. I don't know the logistics and whether the old fat changes or if it's just the new fat. But T is pretty powerful, and you probably won't go too awful long without it shifting to the gut. If it's already like that though, the change will be subtle like mine was if it changed at all.

I have no advice on this I just wanted to say how refreshing and exciting it is to know there are people out there who want some of the effects of T but not all. I would love to lower my voice and be more muscular...but body hair, facial structure change, etc. are not things I'm interested in.

I hope you can find someone with some experience to help you out. I can understand the anxiety of losing that change if you stop the T.

the things i'm not too interested in are only severe hair loss an hair growth on my back. anything else might actually be rather nice.

i might be manlier than i pretend...

Quote from: Taka on June 09, 2014, 01:02:15 PM
the things i'm not too interested in are only severe hair loss an hair growth on my back. anything else might actually be rather nice.

i might be manlier than i pretend...

What do the men look like in your family? I have a little 'back hair' up near my shoulder blades and my shoulders, but it's really sparse. It's really not as big deal as I would have thought. And I could always get it waxed. For the hair loss, you could take finasteride. A little receding at the temples seems to help with male appearance though. It's a distinctly male look because women just don't have hairlines like that.

The voice change in male teenagers can take from months to several years.

You say that you sometimes "loose" your voice completely, that sounds as if you're still in the middle of the change.

Once the change is more or less complete, it's rare that it reverts very much, but as long as it isn't finished, it's hard to tell. Is your voice deep all the time or do you have those awkward pitch  changes in mid sentence?

Can't you just stop for a while and go back on if you see unwanted change?

You know I am actually thinking of stopping and I will see if it reverts back or not. It's really contradicting for me because some of the effects I love and the others I hate. 
The voice loss is weird, cracking I understand since I read that to be expected but I never heard of losing it.  So when I am talking in a high pitch like when I am voice acting in a baby-like voice I lose the word (it doesn't even come as a whisper but just no words at all). And yes the cracking happens in mid sentences. Also, when I laugh, it cracks and sounds weird. It's hard to explain.

Makipu, it seems like your voice is still changing then - it won't crack once it's broken.

I don't know if my reply will be valid, but nonetheless, I just stopped taking my T, but I took it for almost 8 months and am curious as to whether my voice will change. Most of my time on T was at a reasonably low dose, however the last 2 or so were a maintenance dose. I increased it because I was still dysphoric at the dose my doctor gave me, but I have since worked out that T just isn't a liable treatment for my dysphoria. Increasing the dose made my dysphoria worse, a lot. I am also a non-binary male, but I wasn't sure what would help alleviate my dysphoria. The main thing I needed to be rid of was my monthly, which didn't stop anyways, not completely, and to change my voice into a deep range. I also didn't want facial hair, but a bit of body hair helps me pass because of my build being so small and me being 5'8" and it sticking out like a sore thumb. The dose of T I was on didn't give me much body hair, or much more than I already had anyways. What it did do was cause me to be obsessed with my bottom half, which is what caused the increase in dysphoria for me. I don't consider what I have to not be a male body part, because it's mine, but I don't like drawing attention to it either. T also made my (Excuse the TMI) but my nipples stand out more,which added on to the dysphoria increase. I was fine having to wear a binder and like my bottom half, I prefer to ignore my chest in order to deal with it being there. I got a bit of fat redistribution, but my hips still stick out like a sore thumb and T can't change the bone structure/placing. I just wear an elastic band over my belly button to sort of fix that, and I'm OK with that. T did allow me to get my marker and name changed where I live, so if I'm thankful for anything, it's that. Sorry about my rambling on, but I just thought that adding my 2 cents worth would be at least helpful in providing a sense of not being so alone for you. I'll just wait and see what my voice does. I'm just worried about the monthly really.

Quote from: makipu on June 13, 2014, 08:48:03 PM
You know I am actually thinking of stopping and I will see if it reverts back or not. It's really contradicting for me because some of the effects I love and the others I hate. 
The voice loss is weird, cracking I understand since I read that to be expected but I never heard of losing it.  So when I am talking in a high pitch like when I am voice acting in a baby-like voice I lose the word (it doesn't even come as a whisper but just no words at all). And yes the cracking happens in mid sentences. Also, when I laugh, it cracks and sounds weird. It's hard to explain.

Not all boys have that, but many do. I can vividly remember that I have been told that there is a risk that you get stuck in that phase when you go off T, depending on the physiological changes in your voice cords. It's probably ok to go off and on again in that case. The hormone levels in pubescent boys probably aren't that regular neither.

I just want to say that I'm glad over here in this forum there can be a civil discussion regarding only wanting certain things from HRT. I've always been of the opinion that it's perfectly okay to only want certain things. HRT is basically prescribed to trans and non-gender conforming individuals as a medicine that can help them overcome dysphoria. As dysphoria manifests differently for everyone, why should everyone have a "one size fits all" approach to the effects of the medication? Your body, your rules, that sort of thing.

I was on T almost 3 months (if I remember right, it's been awhile!) and nothing at all changed with my voice. I had very negative effects while I was on it.  I went on it through informed consent and my goal originally was to stay on it until I had some effects that would personally make me feel more comfortable in my own skin. Long story short, it didn't work out. I didn't have any changes within that short frame of time.

Quote from: makipu on June 08, 2014, 09:32:24 AM
Hi
I really need some help in terms of stopping testosterone while keeping my already gained low voice. I know that the voice change is permanent however I am not sure how long I must be on it and keeping it the way it became.  It's still cracking at times and I understand that but sometimes when I talk (in a higher pitch for example) I actually lose my voice where the words literally don't come out. Is this also normal when being on T? I've been on T for 3 months (after stopping and restarting) and if I was to stop it , I just don't want my voice to revert back.
While taking T really feels good in gaining bits of muscles and the voice, those are really the only changes that I wanted. Unfortunately I didn't notice any fat redistribution from hips, thighs, buttocks, breasts but maybe because I am on a low dose.

I wished as a non-binary male that there was a way for me to get exactly what I want; which is basically having the same face (meaning no change in structure and facial hair),with lower voice, and a male body.

You've been on T three months, body fat shifting isn't going to happen that soon, especially on a low dose.  And it's going to go back to female spaces if you do stop T.

I would be really curious to hear how this goes for you over the long term if you do stop now, while your voice is still cracking. That is an awkward phase that lasts at least a month for most people who deal with it. I can't imagine it being a permanent state even if you withdraw the hormones that triggered it. Please do check in with your observations.

If you want to keep your voice low (and stable) it would be easiest to just stay on testosterone for a few more months. Once it drops for good that first time any further change is gradual and subtle, so you would get the most bang for your buck on that detail you like, while still minimizing the acne and hair loss and other male problems.

Sorry for the late reply. Let me update and say that I've been off T for a little two weeks now and my voice IS STILL cracking and sometimes even lose the words. I am kind of surprised and disappointed. I think my voice is still the same? I am not entirely sure if it's EXACTLY the same because I've been recording myself everyday when I took T and when I got off it but it's seems to be hard to compare because with me, the 'lowness seems to depend on how loud or quiet I talk.  Also, it's an awkward position for me to be in because I stopped in the middle of cracking

Quote from: Trez123 on June 16, 2014, 07:06:33 AM
I don't know if my reply will be valid, but nonetheless, I just stopped taking my T, but I took it for almost 8 months and am curious as to whether my voice will change. Most of my time on T was at a reasonably low dose, however the last 2 or so were a maintenance dose. I increased it because I was still dysphoric at the dose my doctor gave me, but I have since worked out that T just isn't a liable treatment for my dysphoria. Increasing the dose made my dysphoria worse, a lot. I am also a non-binary male, but I wasn't sure what would help alleviate my dysphoria. The main thing I needed to be rid of was my monthly, which didn't stop anyways, not completely, and to change my voice into a deep range. I also didn't want facial hair, but a bit of body hair helps me pass because of my build being so small and me being 5'8" and it sticking out like a sore thumb. The dose of T I was on didn't give me much body hair, or much more than I already had anyways. What it did do was cause me to be obsessed with my bottom half, which is what caused the increase in dysphoria for me. I don't consider what I have to not be a male body part, because it's mine, but I don't like drawing attention to it either. T also made my (Excuse the TMI) but my nipples stand out more,which added on to the dysphoria increase. I was fine having to wear a binder and like my bottom half, I prefer to ignore my chest in order to deal with it being there. I got a bit of fat redistribution, but my hips still stick out like a sore thumb and T can't change the bone structure/placing. I just wear an elastic band over my belly button to sort of fix that, and I'm OK with that. T did allow me to get my marker and name changed where I live, so if I'm thankful for anything, it's that. Sorry about my rambling on, but I just thought that adding my 2 cents worth would be at least helpful in providing a sense of not being so alone for you. I'll just wait and see what my voice does. I'm just worried about the monthly really.

Your reply is actually useful because I am in somewhat of a similar situation. I also wore and still wear my binder by pulling the ends all the way down to my hips to kind of 'hide' the disgusting curves. The biggest thing for me is actually getting rid of the breasts on my chest. As for the genital area, I never even look at it because I am repulsed by female anatomy in general but while I was taking T, I felt a weird feeling like it was burning and tightness at random times.

By the way, the guys whose voices have dropped: are you able to talk in a high pitched/baby like voice?  What happens when you try?