My System of 5 alters shares a GAAB male body. In 5 years and several thousand hours of fronting in public, my female alter's gender has only ever been questioned twice; once going into the ladies dressing room, the second coming out of the ladies room. Both were in the first few months after she became self-aware and started to venture out in public. My female alter is a tomboy, and was still learning how to pull off that look and be seen as a woman with the body I use as a guy.

I heard a voice behind me say, "Maam, Maam." When she caught up to me, the girl rather sheepishly said something about the customers being uncomfortable and asked that I use the "family restroom" next time. I was ready to go the mattresses. And I was absolutely floored when my female alter smiled and said "Sure." I saw the relief in the girl's face and then a weak smile as she walked away. That was all there was to it.

Negotiating from a position of least power is an art my female alter obviously has a much better grip on than me. In hindsight I understand her logic; leave them guessing rather than remove all doubt and pick her battles to live to fight another day. I can hear them now if I had whipped out my Carry Letter and pressed the issue like I wanted to do: Go ahead, SIR, you can use the LADIES Room. LOL

if confronted, i plan to reply with something along the lines of "do you bug every girl with masculine features like this? like you expect every woman to fit your idea of what women should look like? are you the kind of person to say women can't be engineers or scientists or shouldn't aspire to success in the workplace because of some preconceived notion of how women act, look, and talk? go bother someone else."

Quote from: Evelyn K on June 22, 2014, 03:11:03 PM
Are things really this cordial in the lady's bathroom?

You can just go in, sit down and just be all business like #2 with a thermobaric haze cloud wafting up all around you and the lady next door is happily chatting about her facelift or something?

I mean really? I'd feel inclined to keep quiet, probably rather mortified.

From my limited sample of ladies restroom visits I'd have to say yes. Going to the restroom is somewhat of a social event with the ladies; that's why all the ladies at a table get up and go at the same time. It would be considered rude and weird not to go when everyone else goes. Absolutely everything gets talked about while everyone is going.

As far as the essence of #2 and conversation - I haven't experienced that yet. I try to take care of #2 at home just to avoid that situation.

If the idea of conversation while going weirds you out you'll love seeing blood in places in ladies rooms that haven't been cleaned in a while.

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on June 22, 2014, 03:03:11 PM
Hey Danniella, I dunno, from your avatar you look really delicate.  If I'd been born female I would have liked to be as tall as you are.  I have a few very tall girlfriends, and they just look so good in a nice dress, whereas I still look like a hamster!  Ah, we can always find something to moan about, can't we ? 

The curse of the female brain I suppose, even without dysphoria, we always desire to look slightly better/different or even somebody else entirely xD

I'm slowly getting used to being a tall woman now though...it's somewhat different from being a tall guy, involving great deal more heads turning my way, and it's oft times distressing when I am surrounded by my girl friends...the tallest of whom only just reaches my chest height...

I sure as hell don't feel dainty then xD

But I have recently discovered that I can rock a good dress ^^


(I was told I look like Miranda at a party on the weekend, so ofc posing occurred xD )

Quote from: Danniella on June 23, 2014, 03:31:42 AM
The curse of the female brain I suppose, even without dysphoria, we always desire to look slightly better/different or even somebody else entirely xD

But I have recently discovered that I can rock a good dress ^^

Hey Danniella

You look great!    And looking on the bright side, you at least live in a part of the world where tall women are completely possible.   You've got the cuves and stuff that make the dress look cool, and given your age more curves are just around the, er, bend.   So quit moaning lassie, and find yourself some taller girlfriends

I think we need to cast off our insecurities, burn our bras (noooo!), and just be who we are!!

Hugs
Julia

I'm jelly of the small heights, buuut.. I'm shrinking! So maybe I'll get there. xD Actually if I made it to 5' 6", that'd be great, though maybe a bit troubling too. I've gone from 5' 11" when I was a teenager to 5' 7.5" a decade later, and that's fine by me, but I think if I shrink any more I'll have to get mah bones looked at or somethin'. o_O

Also, I may not have used the ladies room much so far (I tend to avoid public restrooms when I can anyway), but from my experience it's all been quiet. Everyone just goes in and out. In fact I linger a bit longer than most checking my hair and re-applying makeup, lol.

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on June 23, 2014, 07:52:24 AM
Hey Danniella

You look great!    And looking on the bright side, you at least live in a part of the world where tall women are completely possible.

Thanks...But tall women in Scotland!? xD the average height of a Scottish woman is only 5'3" ...So I am like 9-10 inches higher than most women in this country ^^; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height#Average_height_around_the_world

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on June 23, 2014, 07:52:24 AM
You've got the cuves and stuff that make the dress look cool, and given your age more curves are just around the, er, bend.   So quit moaning lassie, and find yourself some taller girlfriends

Working on the more girlfriends part...but it seems like each one I discover is shorter than the last!!!

Also I just turned 27...I think the boat has sailed re: me getting curves

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on June 23, 2014, 07:52:24 AM
I think we need to cast off our insecurities, burn our bras (noooo!), and just be who we are!!

Hugs
Julia

But...but...I like my bras! D:

I essentially don't use public restrooms, because I'm at the stage where I'm starting to confuse people, which at first was mildly amusing, then quickly became old.  I would be entering or exiting the men's restroom, going about my business, but actually paying attention to people around me, and men would sometimes stop in their tracks and just stare at me (kinda scary), with their "what is going on" look.  Had a janitor just about stop me from entering the men's room.  A teenager girl at the airport mouthed to her friend, "This is the men's room?" at the entrance as I was walking out because they were confused if they should go in or not.  I'm not at the point yet where I'm comfortable entering a woman's room, but the whole men's room thing isn't happening when you are dressed androgynously and wearing makeup.

Anyone else been there?

Quote from: Danniella on June 23, 2014, 08:43:48 AM
   
Thanks...But tall women in Scotland!? xD the average height of a Scottish woman is only 5'3" ...So I am like 9-10 inches higher than most women in this country ^^; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height#Average_height_around_the_world
Working on the more girlfriends part...but it seems like each one I discover is shorter than the last!!!

Also I just turned 27...I think the boat has sailed re: me getting curves

But...but...I like my bras! D:

Oh, serves me right for not having done an internet search on the data!     Compared to me, everyone is tall, so I have a simple binary category - 0:my height and 1:bigger. 

I'm sure you'll get some curves, but maybe like me they won't quite be in the places you want them ha ha ha!  Need to give those croissants a map and a compass...

Hugs!  Go out there and stand tall...!!
xxx J

Quote from: Ashey on June 23, 2014, 07:56:13 AMfrom my experience it's all been quiet. Everyone just goes in and out.

My female alter likes her coffee and water, probably goes to the bathroom  a half dozen times while she is out. Her day starts with Morning Mass at 830 and she comes home after dinner around 830 to wash up and get ready for bed. She's been doing that a couple days a week for five years now, so that's alot of trips to the ladies room. There is the occasional stall chat, or while she is touching up her face, but everyone just going in and out  is pretty much what I have observed as well.

(My female alter chiming in)
A bath rooms a bathroom. I'm five 10. I love being flat n tall n rail skinny- it make me feel like a model!!!

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on June 23, 2014, 09:01:39 AM
Hugs!  Go out there and stand tall...!!
xxx J

Well I have no choice now do I!? x'D

Surprisingly enough; despite living in a city where people are ruthlessly rude and stare you down like their eyes are sniper rifle's aimed at your head and expect to somehow set them off to shoot you.. i've learned that people down here in Miami are nothing but fearful talk and stare... they don't do anything. I've gone to the bathroom and had some women kinda stare at me or give me a weird look... but they have never said anything to me at all..

Though if they ever did, their choice of words and attitude will determine my response ~ if they ask in a confused tone why I am in there, i will simply tell them that I am there to do the same thing they are doing lol... if they give me attitude, i'd probably ignore them, and if they get on my nerves, i'll effectively bitch their ignorant asses out in front of everyone. Though, maybe a lot of it has to do with the fact that both men and women don't see it as wise to f*** with a 6 foot tall girl.... little do they know that i'm nothing but a fragile little butterfly.... but they don't have to know that

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on June 22, 2014, 05:43:11 AM
Since I'm only 5'2" and about as threatening as a hamster I  get no hassles or looks.   

In Madrid, with the whole bar-and-tapas thing my concern is that many stalls, apart from being yucky also have a dodgy or broken lock, and let's face it ladies, while I still can pee standing up I intend to do so.  But yeah, one day someone is gonna barge in and find me standing like John Wayne, ahem...

If that is the case then you are not ready to be a real woman.  Learn to sit, you will find it to be much more pleasant than standing. I still have my male parts and present as a male but  have not stood to pee on any occasion since some time in 1997 (over 17 years): sitting definately beats standing.  Thus I don't have any need for that thing.

ouch...

Quote from: mac1 on June 23, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
Learn to sit, you will find it to be much more pleasant than standing. I still have my male parts and present as a male but  have not stood to pee on any occasion since some time in 1997 (over 17 years): sitting definately beats standing.  Thus I don't have any need for that thing.

Your post would have been better like this. Otherwise, it's a cheap shot and just a wee bit hypocritical. You ARE aware that there are some bigots out there that consider post-op chicks as "not  being real women"?

mac1- while I don't think you intended for it to be an attack, it did come across like that to some so I thought I would touch base and clear the air here. Just be careful when defining what a real woman is, because we must support everyone regardless of their preferences. Here, it is solely the individual's inward identification of female that defines someone as 100% real woman. Really, genitalia or how you use it has nothing to do with gender.

Plus, I know tons of cisfemales that pee standing up using a pee funnel They aren't any less of woman either now, are they? Lol

Actually one of my cisfemale friends was telling me how she had learned how to pee standing up- apparently by using some kind of special posture & position.

I tend to find myself sitting down 99% of the time unless I walk into a stall and it's just covered in pee. I'll happily not sit down on that or chance it!

Thank you ladies - I shall resolve this privately with Mac1.

Sorry that I used the term, "real women", in a manner that was misunderstood by some of you.  It was used as a complement toward those who are fortunate enough to live and present themselves openly as women whether cis or other.  It was not intended as derogatory toward anybody.

I respect and am envious of those of you who have been fortunate enough to live your lives as full time women whether or not you have undergone a full surgical transition.

Again, sorry for the misunderstanding. I respect all of you.

I have a problem sitting and peeing because my penis is a lot shorter now. every time I sit to pee I can't push it down between my legs and It squirts straight ahead instead of down very annoying.

Thanks for the clarification mac1, I appreciate it!

Hopefully, too, you understand that I am just looking out for everyone and not offended in any way myself Carry on loves!