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do you think you can proceed with tansition and be happy while not attractive

Started by stephaniec, July 09, 2014, 01:58:07 PM

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AnnaCannibal

Quote from: Jill F on July 10, 2014, 12:43:51 PM
So maybe I should just print Angelina Jolie's face on a paper bag that I wear over my head?

That...would be really interesting to see.  Moreso I'd want to see peoples reaction.   :laugh:
Is it progression if a cannibal uses a fork?
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Megan Joanne

This topic immediately made me think of someone that came to me recently in some PMs, she's having a really hard time transitioning, keeps saying how ugly she is, but she's not, but no matter what I say to her, its not getting through. I feel bad, things didn't turn out the way she envisioned them to, and now, she's totally crushed to defeat. Always ever comparing herself to others more fortunate, beautiful women like me (this coming from her mouth; I'm hearing this all too much, its not my fault, should I slash my face up or something so you can feel better about yourself) and some others on here that have reason to be happy, that pretty girls have it all and ugly ones are just ugly and suffer miserable lives. She doesn't think she looks feminine at all, my mom when I showed her thinks she looks very much like a woman (my mom gives it straight, no sugar coating ever, she can be a bit harsh sometimes with me), not super gorgeous but fine, plain, but pretty (nice lips and eyes), and I know if she'd stop hating herself so much there'd be plenty of guys (if that's what she's into) that would love to have a chance with her. But her envy of others on here is too strong, she only sees the external beauty of others, compares to her critical thinking of seeing herself in the mirror, seeing only masculine flaws and an ugly face, but the real ugly is inside. After a bit, I feel bad, but I gave up on her, didn't know what else to say. But as she said, words aren't enough, results are, and according to her, it wasn't happening.

Before I went into all this transition stuff I spent years thinking about it, planning out different scenarios in my mind, every possible outcome that I could think of and how best I'd handle it. I remember wanting to rush into it, glad it didn't happen that way, I needed time to prepare me for the changes that would develop in my life once I took full flight into living as a woman. I never thought myself a really handsome guy when I was portraying a man, but I wasn't ugly, just average, skinny, super oily skin, zits all over my face, and just felt awkward about myself. I look back now though and one thing that does hit me, I always had a nice smile, and its that same smile I still wear, I just wear it more comfortably now, happy to be me, not just a temporary result of a brief moment. I had no real idea of what I'd look like as a woman, but I did explore a realistic view with my imagination, always looking at my features, bone structure, muscles, and where would the fat go on me once on the hormones. I turned out pretty close to what I expected, but while I didn't change all that much, I can admit that I turned out prettier than I thought (this only on my good days when I'm feeling most feminine on the inside, feel masculine then I'm going to see myself that way too). But see, that's it, I didn't expect much, mostly when I wanted this I just wanted to get rid of that awful feeling inside of me, feeling like I was trapped, the hormones did that, the physical results were just a bonus (though more would be better, but that'll have to come in time, I can exercise to slim my waist to give more curves, the rest will come with surgery). Though once on them and starting to see the changes, of coarse I desired for even better results, who wouldn't. I am pretty, this I can admit (now that I'm back on the hormones, I hated myself when I was off of them, that was the male mind creeping back in), but if I wasn't, I'd still had done it. The transitioning was necessary for me to be able to love myself and I'm talking on the inside. The pretty looks are my own, just as for another would be theirs, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, what is pretty for one may not be for someone else, someone who thinks themselves ugly may actually have someone out there that thinks otherwise about them.

For those that are having trouble with themselves, don't get wrapped up in someone else's looks, focus on yourself, you are as beautiful as you choose to be, spend all your days envious of others, always wishing you could look like them, or have their lives, that is when you become ugly.
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Foxglove

There's a difference between being passable and being attractive.  You don't have to be attractive in order to pass, mainly because most cispeople, male and female, aren't particularly attractive.  But they still "pass".

Being attractive is important to some people--and I must confess I'm one of them.  But the real test is what kind of vibes you put out, and that doesn't depend on your face alone.  When I was bit by bit making the decision to come out of the closet, the question of how attractive I might be never entered my mind.  I would have been satisfied with looking acceptable.
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KatelynRain

I would be very happy as long as I passed as female.  I don't have to be pretty, but I would love it if I looked 'average' at least. 
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Christine Eryn

I want to be as gorgeous as possible. :-* And why not? I think I look great with makeup on. If not for brow bossing and a nose bigger than I'd like, I would be passible. When I tell people I'm out to, like doctors and therapists, they usually mention how I don't need FFS when I mention that's my goal. Ultimately, I would not be happy if I did not make myself as attractive as I could be.
"There was a sculptor, and he found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months, until he finally finished. When he was ready he showed it to his friends and they said he had created a great statue. And the sculptor said he hadn't created anything, the statue was always there, he just cleared away the small peices." Rambo III
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galaxy

@Megan

I understand that a forum like these is no place to discuss beauty, we go more into passing. And yes, i'm passing outside and people only see a women (like your mom). Goal achieved? Yes? Not for me ...

What is wrong with wanna be a bit attractive? Wants to be passable is a virtue, wants to be attractive is deadly sin? Why? Whats wrong with it? I mean its not a thing from modern times that women wants to be attractive. It is thousands of years old. I dont want to be model or someone super gorgeous, but a little attractivity would be nice.

For me my result is a heavy setback. Looking at my old male pictures there would be possible much more. And sure, would i be pretty (like you) and has not these problems i may dont understand persons like me too.
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Hikari

I see nothing at all wrong with wanting to be attractive Galaxy....I want to pass, but I also want to be attractive. I also am not going to give up working towards that until I am at least somewhat attractive in my own eyes. It is only human to want to be attractive.

15 years on Susans, where has all the time gone?
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Auroramarianna

For me, it is important, but not the main thing. I wouldn't say "attractive", just look nice or plain. I certainly would feel very disappointed if I turned out to be really ugly, because I don't consider myself ugly at all at the moment.

But, if that turned out to be truth, I would have to live with it, since it was my choice to get on HRT after all.
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missymay

My take on this is if you were considered to be attractive before transition, then you probably wouldn't be happy being unattractive after transition; however, if you were unattractive before, and unattractive after transition you would already be used to it, and it probably wouldn't be as bad as the first example.

Karen
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stephaniec

Quote from: missymay on July 10, 2014, 04:45:31 PM
My take on this is if you were considered to be attractive before transition, then you probably wouldn't be happy being unattractive after transition; however, if you were unattractive before, and unattractive after transition you would already be used to it, and it probably wouldn't be as bad as the first example.

Karen
I think this is an important idea. I personally would love to be a nuclear bomb like Sofia Loren , but I know that's not going to happen . also being on an extremely limited budget I have to be satisfied with how I look. My take on this whole issue is my brain is female , my chromosomes screwed up an stuck me with testosterone and through the wonders of modern science my brain finally got what it needed and I'm a happy camper.
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Beth Andrea

Yes, I'd like to be attractive.

I'd also like to be rich...but I'm not, and life is too short to be unhappy about things that will ultimately be gone anyway.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Chic

Wanting to be beautiful doesn't make you shallow or your reasons for transitioning petty. It's just natural for a woman to want to be attractive. It's a testament to how feminine we are and see ourselves that we want to be gorgeous when transitioning.
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Hikari

Quote from: Chic on July 10, 2014, 06:52:08 PM
Wanting to be beautiful doesn't make you shallow or your reasons for transitioning petty. It's just natural for a woman to want to be attractive. It's a testament to how feminine we are and see ourselves that we want to be gorgeous when transitioning.

I agree, and also it is nice to have something to strive towards. I don't care how ugly I am, I don't see a reason to give up trying to be attractive. Then again, I thought Don Quixote was much more interesting than the normal people of La Mancha.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Chic on July 10, 2014, 06:52:08 PM
Wanting to be beautiful doesn't make you shallow or your reasons for transitioning petty. It's just natural for a woman to want to be attractive. It's a testament to how feminine we are and see ourselves that we want to be gorgeous when transitioning.
I think the problem is that if your expectations don't match reality , do you de-transition or forge ahead. I used to fantasize of being a beautiful runway model or like yesterday in my coffee place I saw two tall very slender women with great expensive dresses on and my head just burst into flames wishing  that was me, but I know it's not in the cards and that I have to be happy with my own reality.
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Nero

Something about transitioning seems to make us blind - look around you hon and you will see all types of women. Many who may be considered 'unattractive'. But they have to live their lives anyway. Why miss out on being happy just because things aren't 100% perfection? If you're a woman, you're a woman regardless.

I think the best way to approach the natural desire everyone has to look good, is just to do your best, make what improvements you can/want. But after getting dressed and ready for the day to set it aside. And not obsess over it. Do what you can with what you have and then let it go. Probably the only way to stay sane as a woman or man who wants to look good. Hang in there sweetie, yes it is worth it to be yourself. You're more than a wrapper.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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sad panda

Quote from: stephaniec on July 10, 2014, 07:49:57 PM
I think the problem is that if your expectations don't match reality , do you de-transition or forge ahead. I used to fantasize of being a beautiful runway model or like yesterday in my coffee place I saw two tall very slender women with great expensive dresses on and my head just burst into flames wishing  that was me, but I know it's not in the cards and that I have to be happy with my own reality.

I guess the question there would be whether or not you're happier as a woman even while not looking like them. :)
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stephaniec

Quote from: sad panda on July 10, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
I guess the question there would be whether or not you're happier as a woman even while not looking like them. :)
It's a tough question . I'm lucky I can look like a woman in a dress and make up , maybe even minimal make up so personally I'm all right about transition , but I don't know how I would take it if I just was more male looking than female. I don't know whether I/d just give up and be male , but if the hormones helped with my depression I'd keep taking them even if I still looked masculine.
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sad panda

Quote from: stephaniec on July 10, 2014, 08:32:04 PM
It's a tough question . I'm lucky I can look like a woman in a dress and make up , maybe even minimal make up so personally I'm all right about transition , but I don't know how I would take it if I just was more male looking than female. I don't know whether I/d just give up and be male , but if the hormones helped with my depression I'd keep taking them even if I still looked masculine.

Wait I can't remember, are you on HRT? If so then has it helped you so far? And if so then at least there's that. Transitioning definitely involves a LOT of pros and cons. The cons are too much for me personally, but then for some people it is worth it!
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stephaniec

Quote from: sad panda on July 10, 2014, 08:37:57 PM
Wait I can't remember, are you on HRT? If so then has it helped you so far? And if so then at least there's that. Transitioning definitely involves a LOT of pros and cons. The cons are too much for me personally, but then for some people it is worth it!
I'm on my 9th month of HRT. mentally it's pulled me from standing on the roof of my apartment building to really being able to have a future. I can only glimpse of how my face has changed. I can see definite development in my breasts and I love going in public dressed up. I still get confused about what I'm doing . but I just started so I'm taking a day at a time and seeing where it goes. I know I want to look totally female , but I don't know how far the changes will go. I just have wanted to do this since childhood so I'm giving it a go.I personally never have felt male . it just my outside was abnormal
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