Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:47:21 PM
Well I am sorry but I am a christian and I don't believe that. Sorry and you will never change that at all! And there are certain things that define a man but again you don't seem to get it.

You should quit using your religion as a justification for your bigotry.

BTW, here's the definition of man:

• an adult male human being

Looks like none of us meet the qualifications. 

Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 09:44:38 PM
So I'm guessing.... I'm not "man" enough to transition is what I'm getting?
I'm already conflicted by this thought.
I already don't see male and female as a thing (i grew up that lack of knowledge).
I just want a family. No extra people, I already have problems coping with people
prodding into my relationship. I don't someone ->-bleeped-<-ing up a baby for me (sorry for the lewd language)
I understand that method. I was considering that if I were to have a long term with a female partner.
But my lover is a cismale and we both want a "bio-child". I'm even willing to give my eggs away, just to not
deal with it after I give birth. I just want our child to be made on a more intimate and loving level more than
a process.
Both can bring the same level of love. But I like to work for what I want. So I'm willing to have dysphoria for 9 months
just to see something of ours brought into the world.

No I think you are man enough if you wanna carry a baby and still transition just like your man enough to deal with a cycle every month,  all I said was that it confuses me and most people and most peopl won't take it to well and will see you as joke never said I did. I just don't believe a man should carry a baby. But as I stated a hella lot of times you have every right.

Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:49:47 PM
You should quit using your religion as a justification for your bigotry.

BTW, here's the definition of man:

• an adult male human being

Looks like none of us meet the qualifications.

I am not bigot, I get sick of people calling people who don't believe certain things bigots it mskes you sound stupid maybe you need to pick up a bible and read it but your probaly not religious so nevermind. Everyone has a damn oppinion jist cuz you don't agree doesn't give you have a right to call me names. You take stuff to personal dude. The OP didn't even jump down my throat like you.

You're right...But being around alot of people that say that me not having SRS or having children
conflicts me.
I personally, don't take sudden changes (cosmetic surgeries) too well. Unless I get talked through it, but having
such a strong shift of change, will freak me the hell out.
I feel like a crossdresser at times...because I identify as a male before anything. I don't mind wearing women's
clothing, just at times I forget I'm an actual women and I get sexually harassed.
And I'm asking for help because, me growing up without a lack of gender identification (or anything thing of the sort)
makes it harder for me to understand where I stand on the trans scale(if you will).
I wanna wear a dress on my wedding day, while I'm taking hormones is friggin beyond me!
So I'm going bat ->-bleeped-<- to understand why these female "tendencies" (i guess) are there when I identify as a male.

Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:53:00 PM
I am not bigot, I get sick of people calling people who don't believe certain things bigots it mskes you sound stupid maybe you need to pick up a bible and read it but your probaly not religious so nevermind.

No, what makes people sound stupid is to tell someone they disagree with to pick up a Bible and read it as if that is an actual argument.   

Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 09:51:13 PM
No I think you are man enough if you wanna carry a baby and still transition just like your man enough to deal with a cycle every month,  all I said was that it confuses me and most people and most peopl won't take it to well and will see you as joke never said I did. I just don't believe a man should carry a baby. But as I stated a hella lot of times you have every right.

Continually stating that men don't bear is implying that people who do bear children are not men.

Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 09:56:38 PM
You're right...But being around alot of people that say that me not having SRS or having children
conflicts me.
I personally, don't take sudden changes (cosmetic surgeries) too well. Unless I get talked through it, but having
such a strong shift of change, will freak me the hell out.
I feel like a crossdresser at times...because I identify as a male before anything. I don't mind wearing women's
clothing, just at times I forget I'm an actual women and I get sexually harassed.
And I'm asking for help because, me growing up without a lack of gender identification (or anything thing of the sort)
makes it harder for me to understand where I stand on the trans scale(if you will).
I wanna wear a dress on my wedding day, while I'm taking hormones is friggin beyond me!
So I'm going bat ->-bleeped-<- to understand why these female "tendencies" (i guess) are there when I identify as a male.

Are you calling SRS "cosmetic surgery"?  It's far from cosmetic. 

Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
Having a child naturally will not make you any less of a man.  Don't let Brandon's skewed sense of what makes a man affect you.  There are no things a man can do that would make him less of a man.

As I stated before I do have an oppinion on this matter don't talk about me though.

Echo dude you have to do what makes you happy. It's totally fine to want to carry your own child or to wear a dress at your wedding while being on HRT or anything you want. Being trans means you get to define who you are and what will make you the happiest version of yourself. It's different for everyone but don't feel that you have to or don't have to do anything because you truly can do whatever is best for you.

I hope that makes sense.

Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
No, what makes people sound stupid is to tell someone they disagree with to pick up a Bible and read it as if that is an actual argument.   

Continually stating that men don't bear is implying that people who do bear children are not men.

Are you calling SRS "cosmetic surgery"?  It's far from cosmetic.

No you do sound stupid you wonder why it takes non lgbt people a hella lot of time to understand because as soon as they say something that offends you there automatically a bigot. I am kinda glad I don't have that many lgbt friends because to many of you get offended by little things and get mad because what people believe I don't call any of you guys bigots or confused because of your choices so you have no right to do it to me!!

Not every trans person is going to be the same, femininity does not necessarily equal female, and masculinity does not necessary equal male. Not all FTMs are going to be hyper-masculine, the same way not all MTFs are going to be hyper-feminine. It's not about something being "weird" or "out of the norm" By transphobes standards, we are the ones "out of the norm." The point is, be happy, do what you want. If you identify as male, your ARE male, no matter what you choose to do in life. You can't expect everyone to like the same thing as different things make different people happy.

I thought as trans* people most of us would understand that right to be happy.

And please stop with the senseless arguing and calling of others "stupid", you are going a little off topic now.

Thanks everyone. I appreciate all opinions.
I guess it's my turn to choose...

Quote from: Brandon on July 18, 2014, 10:04:44 PM

No you do sound stupid you wonder why it takes non lgbt people a hella lot of time to understand because as soon as they say something that offends you there automatically a bigot. I am kinsmda glad I don't have that many lgbt friends because to many of you get offended by little things and get mad because what people believe I don't cally any of you guys bigots or confused because of your choices so you hav no right to do it to me!!

Quote from: echo_artist on July 18, 2014, 09:56:38 PM
You're right...But being around alot of people that say that me not having SRS or having children
conflicts me.
I personally, don't take sudden changes (cosmetic surgeries) too well. Unless I get talked through it, but having
such a strong shift of change, will freak me the hell out.
I feel like a crossdresser at times...because I identify as a male before anything. I don't mind wearing women's
clothing, just at times I forget I'm an actual women and I get sexually harassed.
And I'm asking for help because, me growing up without a lack of gender identification (or anything thing of the sort)
makes it harder for me to understand where I stand on the trans scale(if you will).
I wanna wear a dress on my wedding day, while I'm taking hormones is friggin beyond me!
So I'm going bat ->-bleeped-<- to understand why these female "tendencies" (i guess) are there when I identify as a male.

Maybe you are just a feminine guy or maybe you just identify as both, But yes alot of times you will get conflicted because you don't for instamce want srs or ar comfortable with sex but everyones dysphoria level is different. But like I said you just sound like a feminine guy to me but nothing wrong with that.

Quote from: aross1015 on July 18, 2014, 10:08:46 PM

Yea whatever dude..... same to you

  Sorry folks 

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