only thing ill give beauty credit for, it makes getting clocked happen far less.

Quote from: Sam314 on July 21, 2014, 11:39:36 AM
I couldn't agree more. So many people get distracted about what's on the outside, and forget to look at who's in the inside. So many only care about looks, and who has the best body to have sex with, but they forget to see that those things aren't important. Those aren't what give true love. It's the inside of a person. Something that is only found when you take the time to get to know a person and get interested into them as a person, not as a body. That's where you find true beauty.

Well said! I myself am old fashioned and dream of that one special person to share the rest of my life with. So far she has eluded me 

Allie

Well, I am gonna have to try and be attractive on the inside, because from the outside I dunno about my prospects.

It is better to be seen as attractive once someone gets to know you though, rather than just a physical thing, because I want people to really value me, my looks.

Interesting read, my opinion is this.....anyone that has to tell someone omg Im gorgeous I mean look at me, hate to say it, but your probably not.
That sort of person is to me epically sad, kind of a self induced tragedy waiting to happen.
You see, your skin fades, your boobs sag, you get a muffin top, your arse gets big, but what remains is your soul and heart. Let that shine huh, you will get further in life 

Quote from: Hikari on July 21, 2014, 05:58:39 PM
Well, I am gonna have to try and be attractive on the inside, because from the outside I dunno about my prospects.

It is better to be seen as attractive once someone gets to know you though, rather than just a physical thing, because I want people to really value me, my looks.

I think you're gorgeous! 

Quote from: Lady_Oracle on July 21, 2014, 10:38:15 PM
I think you're gorgeous! 

Thanks! I am however, very aware of camera angles. I don't edit my photos, but I take lots of photos and change lots of lighting till I find a pic I like. I look much worse in the mirror.

Don't forget your perception is warped- the mirror doesn't necessarily tell you what others see.

But having looked through your pics, you are a cutie.  Cut yourself some slack- the goal is to bring out your beautiful female secondary characteristics - not beat that magazine airbrushed bulls $^&* we get fed all the time.

Why people post their pictures here? Why post thousand of girls pictures on facebook? Why do we take hormones and make surgeries? I mean, why do we do all these things when you say real attractivity comes from the inside? Sure, we can shut our eyes to the facts but there is a biological attractivity and its not all about your inside and charism. Girls who post pretty photos here or an facebook get a lot more likes then others - this is a perfect demonstration of what i mean. I lot things goes better.

For me its not important to be a model or damned gorgeos, but theres a wide range between (masculine) ugliness and a natural (female) attractivity and for me and my life its really important to have some natural attractivity. I think its no reason to convict someone and i also think pretty people have a easier life outthere. They have a better acceptance in the society, better chances in all areas and men are interested in having pretty women. Attractivity doesnt dictate your life, your friends, your job or something else but it open many doors. And sometime these doors will keep closed forever for people who are not attrative.

Well I've posted pictures here for 3 reasons

~I don't transition in my bedroom: I get seen and probably commented on just like everyone else if I keep going out more and more. I want to live publicly and risk is part of that
~I am not a good mirror for myself: I see a lot of conflict in the mirror which isnt strange when you've done so for the last 15 years. I can't look at myself objectively. Others are more neutral in what they see
~I admit, I like a compliment. I'm that shallow

Hikari- I've always thought you were quite beautiful as well. Your eyes are stunning and I love your womanly shape. Mirrors and cameras lie, and we are always our own worst critic. Once you feel beautiful I think something emanates from inside. An inner confidence that makes you shine. I agree that self worth and personality are what makes a person beautiful, and you are bursting at the seams with it, girl!

Galaxy- you are right, there are people that are beautiful who are able to have a much easier time with life. But personally, I think confidence has a lot to do with this. It's such a hard subject for me to think about. I don't want to say they have it easier, because I don't know their struggles. I think it is their confidence that leads them to success. Learn to love yourself and your happiness and beauty will be undeniable. I say these things, yet I have not come to accept this myself. I want to look beyond looks for myself, I want to focus solely on who I am as a person, yet I still have my insecurities. Lately, I've been trying to push my limits, allowing my body hair to grow freely and do it's thing, cus you know, I'm human. We have body hair and why try to cover this up with shaving and such? Because society tells me I should? but then I think, if I grew facial hair, would I feel the same way? It's natural, right? No- I think I'd opt for hair removal and yet again be a victim of my own vanity. I saw a documentary once on a bearded woman. She embraced being female, yet when going through puberty, she developed facial hair. She used to shave it, and her grandmother gave her a gift certificate for electrolysis, but she denied this eventually and let it grow out, because it was part of her and she shouldn't be ashamed.. but then this makes me think- why do anything? What is the point? I mean, I really think I'd rid myself of the facial hair. I wouldn't want to be seen as masculine in that way. Perhaps this just has to do with style and presentation... Should I just accept that I've been affected by what society wants of me and just conform because it makes me more comfortable? Should I push boundaries? Okay.. I'm just rambling here because this has been on my mind a lot lately... blah!

Anyways- love yourself. Love your brain and personality and I think your body will follow.

Quote from: muffinpants on July 22, 2014, 11:07:18 AM
Hikari- I've always thought you were quite beautiful as well. Your eyes are stunning and I love your womanly shape. Mirrors and cameras lie, and we are always our own worst critic. Once you feel beautiful I think something emanates from inside. An inner confidence that makes you shine. I agree that self worth and personality are what makes a person beautiful, and you are bursting at the seams with it, girl!

Galaxy- you are right, there are people that are beautiful who are able to have a much easier time with life. But personally, I think confidence has a lot to do with this. It's such a hard subject for me to think about. I don't want to say they have it easier, because I don't know their struggles. I think it is their confidence that leads them to success. Learn to love yourself and your happiness and beauty will be undeniable. I say these things, yet I have not come to accept this myself. I want to look beyond looks for myself, I want to focus solely on who I am as a person, yet I still have my insecurities. Lately, I've been trying to push my limits, allowing my body hair to grow freely and do it's thing, cus you know, I'm human. We have body hair and why try to cover this up with shaving and such? Because society tells me I should? but then I think, if I grew facial hair, would I feel the same way? It's natural, right? No- I think I'd opt for hair removal and yet again be a victim of my own vanity. I saw a documentary once on a bearded woman. She embraced being female, yet when going through puberty, she developed facial hair. She used to shave it, and her grandmother gave her a gift certificate for electrolysis, but she denied this eventually and let it grow out, because it was part of her and she shouldn't be ashamed.. but then this makes me think- why do anything? What is the point? I mean, I really think I'd rid myself of the facial hair. I wouldn't want to be seen as masculine in that way. Perhaps this just has to do with style and presentation... Should I just accept that I've been affected by what society wants of me and just conform because it makes me more comfortable? Should I push boundaries? Okay.. I'm just rambling here because this has been on my mind a lot lately... blah!

Anyways- love yourself. Love your brain and personality and I think your body will follow.

I really understand your thoughts about identity/vanity. I think its good to have both: my identity suffers if I get ridiculed and that often happens if you don't conform. It's all connected
I am not conventionally pretty/beautiful but I am trying to give it a place

If a person is really worried....

Doctors can fix almost any aspect of our body that makes us "ugly" to look at.  New breasts, new nose, skin pulled here, tucked there and fat sucked under there and put up there. 

But there is no way to fix a person who is ugly on the inside.  Even if they are beautiful on the outside, that ugly will seep out and ruin even that.

Jen

Quote from: JLT1 on July 22, 2014, 02:28:25 PM
If a person is really worried....

Doctors can fix almost any aspect of our body that makes us "ugly" to look at.  New breasts, new nose, skin pulled here, tucked there and fat sucked under there and put up there. 

But there is no way to fix a person who is ugly on the inside.  Even if they are beautiful on the outside, that ugly will seep out and ruin even that.

Jen

Ditto this ^^^______^^^. You can be the most gorgeous woman on the planet, but you'll never have any true friends, or for that matter, a relationship based on love if your not a nice person ie: ugly on the inside. Many actresses/models both male and female despite their good looks become fodder for the gossip rags because in real life they're not nice people.

I myself no matter what I look like to others, just try to be the best person I can, and treat others with the same respect and courtesy they give me. And sometimes, even if someone is rude to me I bite my tongue and still treat them politely and with respect. Confidence and attitude go a long way toward how you are seen in other peoples eyes, no matter how you physically look.

Allie

For those who doesnt understand:

Physical attractiveness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness

Sexual attraction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_attraction

Quote from: JLT1 on July 22, 2014, 02:28:25 PM
If a person is really worried....

Doctors can fix almost any aspect of our body that makes us "ugly" to look at.  New breasts, new nose, skin pulled here, tucked there and fat sucked under there and put up there. 

But there is no way to fix a person who is ugly on the inside.  Even if they are beautiful on the outside, that ugly will seep out and ruin even that.

Jen

Just posted on your before and after - you truly are beautiful inside and out - seems more appropriate to say here.  I am so glad to see you smile and be happy!   -carrie

I may be redundant in saying that there had been multiple studies on how attractiveness does influence ones life.
It isnt a secret that attractive people do get more attention, they do get away with more, they have an advantage, but like everything else, life isnt comprised out of single quality, but a multitude of aspects of character, compassion, integrity and yes, looks as well.
I have experienced what in my mind was a horrible life being imprisoned within the avatar of genetic malfunction. I never though of my self as pretty, but rather ugly. Truth is, when I later learned others would had seen me as an attractive man, but that truly didn't matter anymore, I was already done, and my avatar had transitioned.

As I started this journey my hopes for the aesthetic presentation were rather out of the science fiction realm as I started with bodybuilders 6'1'' 227lbs frame. Nowhere near an attractive female scale, not to mention typically male face bone structure. Never the less, I never stopped dreaming, and even when it seemed impossible at best, I still dreamed the dream.

Fast forward to present, and my life is one of the fairytale, I am perceived as an attractive female, I get away with much more then I would suspect, I am aware of the power I posses being an attractive woman, the power equal if not greater then all grandeur male privilege.

I enjoy the piercing looks of inquisitive man, seeing their testosterone driven bodies affected by my presence. A little smile can bring them under my spell.
I love feeling how intimidating I can be, at 5'11'' towering over most man.
But don't think I awake and my life is a picture perfect existence. Quite the opposite. I also have fears, dislikes which are my own insecurities, the ever so vigilant though that even though I know of my self as a genuine woman, I carry the curse of once being afflicted with the dreadful reality.

Beautiful people and I do not mean those at heart but the flesh aesthetics, even though they do get a brake, they still suffer same insecurities.

Quote from: MyKa on July 17, 2014, 01:15:23 PM
I wouldn't know. I'm always told that I'm good looking but looking it and feeling it are two dif things. I had this discussion with my therapist today actually.

Pretty much this. I tend not to have to worry too much about not leading people on though (if they're even attracted in the first place) because I'm pretty sure I come off as kind of icy, just by being naturally socially anxious.

And yeah. I suuuure don't feel it XD

Quote from: suzifrommd on July 17, 2014, 01:14:28 PM
* Always having to keep up with what clothes and looks are fashionable. Don't want to be caught in last year's fashions.
* Always checking hair, makeup, and clothing to make sure nothing is out of place.
* Foregoing comfortable clothes and shoes for those that make a good impression.
* Wind and rain are threats to your hairstyle.
* Carrying lots of extra makeup in purse. Never know when a touch-up is needed.
* Really attention to detail. A crumb on the face can ruin the whole looks.

In short, it's a burden.

#Thestruggleisreal lol...

Quote from: Hikari on July 21, 2014, 11:39:43 PM
Thanks! I am however, very aware of camera angles. I don't edit my photos, but I take lots of photos and change lots of lighting till I find a pic I like. I look much worse in the mirror.

aww, no way!! I love your eyes    I totally get the angle thing though. Like the further away you take a selfie, the smaller you'll appear. If I take a close up of myself I'm just like ahhh I look hideous!! I have to capture my shoulders or at least the neck to be able to feel good about my photos. Anything super close just looks really bad for me.

Quote from: Lady_Oracle on July 22, 2014, 11:59:07 PM
If I take a close up of myself I'm just like ahhh I look hideous!! I have to capture my shoulders or at least the neck to be able to feel good about my photos. Anything super close just looks really bad for me.

Wait til you get older, lol!!

Allie