Well, the Big Bang Theory and the theory of Evolution are debated. However, they are still valid to most scientists. There are people who do not believe in them because these theories conflict with the people's beliefs. This does not invalidate the theories though.

A similiar situation developed centuries ago with the Heliocentric theory. Basically put, the heliocentric theory states that the sun was the center of the universe and that the Earth orbited it. Not completely true in the real world, but a lot better than the Ptolemistic theory that stated that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything in the heavens orbited it. The heliocentric view conflicted with the popular beliefs and was attacked. The powers that be decided that the theory of heliocentrism should not be taught. Astronomers such as Galileo were charged with heresy because of this. Centuries later we know that the theory was sound (although we now know that the Earth is not the center of the universe) and that attacking science because it ran counter to belief was wrong. Attacking today's theories because they do not fall in line with popular beliefs is not proper science. Always remember that creating a new theory backed with scientific evidence and research is the only way to "reject" a current theory, not "imagination".

Hi Teri Anne

Imagination sometimes is all we have to put the pieces together and to a  greater extent I believe that most theories are derived from imagination until someone comes along with a more substantial piece of the pie that adds or changes the validity of that theory.

Einsteins once said, Logic will take you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.
Imagination is more important then knowledge.
Knowledge is limited, imagination encircles the world.

With unshakable faith in what you believe, you could manifest a new Earth of your own.
With the unshakable faith of all as one could manifest a universe. Written by little old me. 

I am spiritual, not religious  What better way to travel the realm of infinite potentialities then with imagination. With the power of our own minds we could not only stop wars but also bring universal peace and reenter the Garden of Eden. I may not have much faith in humanity, however I believe in its indomitable spirit. Some have endured and survived the impossible. So will there be an end of the human spirit?  When humanity is gone the spirit will be gone, all that will be left is the spirit. We are all one within the Oneness. The supreme being is all that is within, for lack of a better word, *creation*. This Universal spirit is all that is. There always  was  and ever will be infinities, within infinities, within infinities. Time and space overlapping  and perpetuating itself into interdimensional realities with no beginning and no end like endless ripples on a pond.

Hun I get these gut hunch's and I would bet on it that outside this universe you will see a vista of stars that are not stars but universes.

.....A multi-universes reality is endless in both TIME and SPACE, having no beginning and no end......

Glory be to the Father, and to the son, to the holly spirit as it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end Amen. I would say that this prayer covers much of what we have been discussing in the past two days.

Cindy



Posted on: September 14, 2007, 02:48:18 AM

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Hi Blanche

I still hold to the notion that imagination and intuition has a lot to do with discovery and invention as well as leading to creativity. Such as book writers, architects, artists, industrial designers, data systems architects, Skilled purchasing agents, Mr Einstein himself, Hawking, etc an endless list of creative persons that drew their ideas from imagination. I believe that imagination walks hand in hand with creativity and creation as the end result.

Cindy

Imagination and educated intuition play so many roles in society...  Michaelangelo "saw" his statues inside big square blocks of marble.  Frank Lloyd Wright preconceived his most famous house, Fallingwater, so fully that he was able to draw many scale drawings and elevations without using an eraser.  Presumably, the world's best scientists and mathematicians use imagination as the inspiration for creation.  To actually create, though, you must "do" - that is, make your statue, your architectural drawings or, in science, prove your theory as best as you can with observations and facts.

Imagination and intuition seem to work best in art and science.  With politics or religion, imagined rightiousness can lead you down a road where "I am right and all those people are wrong."  Instead of "proof," people pick up guns or bibles and try to enslave others with their ideas of supremacy and fear of what might happen to you if you don't agree:  You'll die, go to hell or both.  And always the mantre, "I'm doing this for your own good, to save you."  Undoubtably, the Inquisition people accused Galileo of heresy and put him under house arrest for his "own good."

Imagination can lead other social leaders to try nonviolent means to achieve what they consider to be a better world.  Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech comes to mind.

Imagination is the thing that can start the fire.  Things have to begin somewhere.  Man has always dreamed of travelling to the moon.  John F. Kennedy's imagination started that process.  NASA proved it could be done.

Cindy and I imagine a reality outside our universe where there are countless other universes.  Okay, we did the hard part.  Now it's your turn to prove it, lol.

Teri Anne

I sometimes wonder which are the biggest liars, the politicans, the religions, or the medical community and pharmaceutical corporations. They all carry a big book.  One carries an oft-misinterpreted Bible.  One carries the law that has become a manual on how to put rubber boots on to *F* the sheeple.  One carries the names of doctors that they want to bribe with gifts and money.  What else can I say except that it ain't any different from all the millennial that have passed before us?  Any system that has been set by man has eventually failed and has fallen into dust and disarray. The only difference is that now those who are running this present systen have big enough guns to disintegrate this planet into a hot cinder.

Enough of that. I do believe that somehow the indomitable spirit of man will survive and a child will lead us by the hand into the land of promise for 1,000 years. How I do so wish I could live to see that day and have the honor of holding that child's hand.

I wrote a short story a couple of years back that in many ways touched on this image. The title of the story was The Dunes of Mars Warrior Princess.  She is the one who leads the people of her dying planet to this very young Earth.

I use to love witting these children's stories back then, it was my way of escaping from the harsh realities of this world. I was and live and breathed the main characters in all my stories, all of the heroes were female. Imagination brought me to many visions of the infinite potentialities to which mankind could arise.

As far as hell goes, I believe that one creates their own hell, just as much as one can create their own paradise depending which one one chooses.

There was one time in my life I was creating my own hell and thought I was going there in a hand basket by FedEx with nobody at the other end to sign for it. After I transitioned something clicked in my thinking process and believe me, a lot more than just my visible gender was changed at that time. I have looked at myself and the world I and I have totally changed my perspective on who I am and human behavior, from one end of the spectrum to the other.

Cindy

Hi Cindy,
I sometimes wonder whether TS's, in addition to feeling the pain of gender dysphoria, have more imagination than most folk and thus can try to solve our own problems (with a lot of money and other stuff).  As you and I have pondered the "big" topics - meaning of life, creation of the universe, possibility of other universes - we too have, in a sense, re-created ourselves.  It's our own version of "born again," lol.

You've said that we create our own hell or paradise...  Psychologists have said that it's not the problem that's the problem but rather how we choose to think about it.

Regarding all this cosmos stuff, are there WEBSITES or BLOGSITES (similar in layout to Susan's where we can add our 2 cents worth) that you like?  This post has gotten me exploring - as you say you do - various space websites including space.com.  I found one article that talked of the dark energy that you mentioned earlier in one of your posts. 

One thing is puzzling to me (okay, well, there a lot of mysteries, lol)...  I know that Galileo determined that, because Venus had phases like the moon (crescent, half, full, etc.) that this helped prove that planets travelled around the sun (rather than planets travelling around the earth).  But our earth's moon has phases (like Venus) and DOES travel around the earth.  So why does the moon's phases explain one type of rotation (around earth) and Venus's phases explain another (around the sun)?

Thanks, as always.

Teri Anne

Hi, Teri,

The moon would be easy to figure out in that it circles our planet. With a telescope of even limited range like they had back then in Galileo's ttime, you would think astronomers could learn more than the ancients had, that is, the different phases and when it rises and sets and how this is repeated again every month.

For them to discover that the planets are circling the Sun and not our planet, that  would again have to have had a powerful enough telescope to see the spherical shape of the planet and watching the different phases like the moon that they made as they traveled around the heavens to disappear behind the sun and reappear again on the other side of the Sun   

Now as to the ancient The Aztecs, the Incas, the Mayans, some of the North American Natives, and the Sumerians were all exceptionally good  at astronomy and yet they didn't have any visual aids whatsoever.

At one time researchers and excavators announced that the Pyramids were only 6000 years old. In more recent times they found water marks in some of the chambers in the Great Pyramid of Giza indicating that it may have been built before the Great Flood. Now they claim that the Sphinx is even older then the Pyramids. This was what made me wonder again about the first civilization, maybe millions of years before some of our ancestors came out of the trees out of curiosity to explore the world about them.

Below is a post I submitted earlier on another thread I will share with you.  There are at least two of us that had the same train of thoughts today in separate forum threads. earlier today.

Spirit, but then, everything has spirit, some type of awareness of being, not just everything organic and inorganic.  The entire planet we live on is spirit, the universe itself is spirit. Any and all types of mass are made up of energy and energy is all part of spirit. On the spirit plane we are all one. 

There was one time in my life I was creating my own hell and thought I was going there in a hand basket by FedEx with nobody at the other end to sign for it. After I transitioned something clicked in my thinking process and believe me, a lot more than just my visible gender was changed at that time. I have looked at myself and the world I and I have totally changed my perspective on who I am and human behavior, from one end of the spectrum to the other.

Hmmmm... as for a site to discuss this topic on Susan's, I need to find out what all topics that are available. I haven't run across any yet. They had lots of threads that seem to be lying dormant collecting dust, including the two I tried to start on the Spiritual thread but not many have come to check them out. I remember running across a couple of Mars sites with message board that dealt with Mars.

Should be able to find something else that deals with a more wide range of different scientific topics and theories. But I do love reading up and doing research about the planet Mars. That planet has fascinated me since I was a little girl and I still find it an amazing little planet that never fails to hold my interest and awe. Note, when I look at the past and some of it was really nice, wonderful childhood experiences. I just never could see myself being anything but a  girl.  I never was the other gender to start with, I'll explain that another time..   

As for transsexual folk having a higher then normal IQ, it's a good possibility.

Now if I were to compare intuitive or gifted folks, survivalists, as well as recovering alcoholics and addicts, have all have been assessed as over average IQ. Is there a correlation here?

For one thing it appears that in all the labels I have above the one thing that seems to be common is hurt suffering through one thing or another, like some horse's back sides putting their spouse through living hell, and many who have suffered from rape and beating .  If a TS does not have the strength to transition it is for sure a bet that they will end up the squashed fly on a car windshield. I really don't know why we have to go through all that crap except to be sure you come out the other end  much stronger mentally physically and spiritually. 

Cindy   

Posted on: September 15, 2007, 05:02:30 AM

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Hi Teri
Here is a link you may find interesting, it deals with various fields of science. I found it quite interesting.

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?

Let me know what you think about it.

Cindy

Hi Cindy,

Sorry for the slow response - I was out of town.  Thanks for clearing up how Venus proved the planets go around the sun.  The Sphinx might be older than the pyramids?  Hmm, interesting.  Those Aztecs, Incas and Mayans were, indeed clever folk but, like our civilization, altogether too steeped in mythological religion.  I saw a documentary recently that pointed out that the reason the Romans brought the Greek's Trojan Horse into their fortification is for religious reasons...  The Trojans thought the Greeks had left the horse as a surrender gift to their god.  The Trojans thought, by capturing the horse, they would bring the Greek's god to them and thus they would be blessed instead of the Greeks.

The same History channel documentary talked of how ancient religions used mechanical tricks that seemed magical to promote their religion over others.  These included gadgets that would open giant church doors automatically when sacrificial fire was lit on the other side of the room --- ooooh, ahhhhh!  A heat line ran from the fire to the door that made it magically open.  A miracle.

Regarding "spirit"...  While I'm guessing (no way to be sure) there's an intelligent being out there, I'm not ready to pronounce that everything in being, every energy has a spirit.  Some things, to me, are like baking soda and vinegar mixed together... an explosive chemical reaction with no hocus pocus spirituality involved.  Maybe I'm just jaded from society claiming all sorts of things that are true that aren't.  Just my opinion.

I'm not as certain as you about my TS transition.  Like Renee Richards, I felt it was something I was compelled to do but can't logically explain why it HAD to be done.  Given societal bigotry, common sense should have lead me in the opposite direction.  If I had ended up as pretty as you, perhaps I'd feel differently.  Though 99.9% of people think, when they meet me in person, that I'm female (and some tell me that it's better and more logical that I'm female), there's still a part of me that doubts my own mind.  I'm suspicious by nature.

You said, "I really don't know why we have to go through all that crap except to be sure you come out the other end  much stronger mentally physically and spiritually."

They say, "if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger."  Not in my case.  I don't feel bigotry directed at me but feel wounded every time I hear a guy in a dress joke (and I don't even wear dresses).  It hurts me.  Just as "every man's death diminishes me," every barb aimed at TG'S makes me feel a scar.  I know Einstein confirms that people are stupid but when people like Galileo are put under house arrest and when anyone odd was burned or tortured, you have to have a lot of distractions (for Galileo, presumably, it was work) to keep on keeping on.

Your comparison of various people with over-average IQ I think is appropriate.  There is also a sad factor in many of the very bright.  I imagine that someone, somewhere along the way, has studied why very gifted people such as Vincent van Gogh and various famous composers considered or committed suicide.  It makes no logical sense.  Smart people SHOULD be able to figure their way out of internal torment.  Samuel Clemens, aka Mark Twain, considered it in his youth but luckily, for us, did change his mind.  They say that the brilliant have minds which have stronger connections between the two sides.  Perhaps, in certain individuals, a self-preservation compartment is NOT as strong.

I'm exploring (good word in this case, ha!) the website you suggested and am having fun.  Though much of the talk is too technical for me, it still introduces me to various things I've been pondering lately... like the accuracy of space measurement and the eternal versus new universe argument.  One person argued that galaxies in the older part of our universe were less big and that if the universe were eternal ALL galaxies would be big (because galaxies combine over time).  This person didn't take into account OUR theory that there could be many universes beyond our universe and, thus, existence of these universes could show that existence is eternal.

Thank you again for your posts.

Teri Anne

Hi Teri, glad you looked over that site, and you are right, the technical part in it can get pretty deep, but interesting. I introduced myself in the Newbies Introduction Thread and Empress Palpatine was the first to welcome me. I asked her if the group was for professional scientific researchers only and she assured me that many are students but there were a few amateurs around. If you wish, we could look around there and discuss our views in another thread there, or come back here.

Now, about the bigotry:  I am quite aware of these type of people, just as much as any other type of corruption and evil, and the tin gods who sit on their tin throne throwing weapons of mass destruction at one another in the name of God because they think that their neighbors are worth less then a cockroach and that they should be the worthy inheritors of the world.

Even if they are part of the essence of spirit I don't think that will buy them a free lunch in hell. As far as I am concerned I think it's all a bunch of crap, but then I am not the judge to condemn anyone who chooses to live that way. Goodness, it is is their choice and, yes, you are quite right about the worshiping of gods or goddesses, "gods/goddesses" by the Mayans and Aztecs.  Offering sacrifices to their gods/goddesses with a small G, because a God/Goddess with a big G I am certain would not approve of such things as favoring anybody giving human sacrifice, nor any religious faith in destroying and killing people in the name of God/Goddess. It is exactly these kinds of cutthroats that have destroyed so much of our glorious history, and I find that is such a crying shame. But the judging I leave to what ever force that governs the multiverses. I will not even watch, listen and read the news because it pains me to hear of such things.

I consider myself spiritual and I certainly don't want anything to do with religion. AS for my knowledge of spirituality,  although I have studied it for many years my knowledge would only equal microbial proportion when compared to what I might learn in the future.

Spirit is the essence of all the multiverses. How do I know it's there? Well, like any other source of energy, spirit is energy as well.  It just as yet is not detectable with any modern day detection apparatus used by science but then, it can be detected by inference. 

There goes that famous word again, inference, without which many scientific theories would be impossible to formulate. We are in spirit and everything is within spirit within us. The problem is that spirit energy doesn't discriminate between good and bad, negative and positive. It is only when men as free will agents make the choice as to whether they wish to use it for good or evil. Our own weakness and scalability, greed and hunger for power, hate, conceit, and twisting religion to validate their hate and prejudice towards their neighbors.

But there is also much good still left in humanity.  Many have suffered and survived even when all odds were stacked against them. The spirit of the human will to survive and thrive and to show love, caring, compassion and empathy for their fellows can be quite incredible.  It is quite amazing and beautiful to witness this spirit in some of our fellows. I have had the privilege and honor to have met some of these kind souls.  The gates into paradise themselves can be thrown ajar by these beautiful souls.

About you hon, I think that judging, not just by your photo, but also by how you write, the sincere emotion you express in your words, I do believe that you are a very beautiful person. I say this just from the few observations I have made on how you have expressed your thoughts and feelings in your posts. I may be way off course but I do know that you do have one person who would be honored to have you as a friend and I enjoy very much our conversation into the depths of the multiverses. Not very often one meets an equal to converse with on the mysteries of the universe and all within it. You need only look within to find who you truly are and you will see.

Hun you appear to be way to hung up on what other people think and say. I am certainly not that pretty but I went ahead and transitioned anyway because I was doing it for me and not to please anyone else especially not for the skeptics.  Ironically, the anyone else or the community of they never said one word, not even my employers nor my clients and this took place in a small town of 16000 population.  Now I don't know what people thought and to tell the truth I don't really care what the "community of they" think. I am me and this is my life and if they don't like it they can take a hike, or eat my shorts, that was my opinion. I was quite ready to deliver that piece of my mind to them but never had to. That was back in Ontario and I have since moved to Vancouver, BC and no one here either has paid me any mind. I am the organiser for a couple of spiritual groups and actually look forward to meeting with these folks on our next meetup.

Now maybe I'm just lucky but it certainly wasn't because I pass. I look better than I did when I started out but not by that whole hell of a lot. I am not a big person either so if anyone decided to lay one on me they wouldn't find me of much resistance. I am only 5' 3" tall and all of a 120 lbs.

This is my life and this is who I am and this is the way I am going to remain the rest of my life. There is no turning back for me now, it's much to late for me to do that now.

QuoteThey say that the brilliant have minds which have stronger connections between the two sides.  Perhaps, in certain individuals, a self-preservation compartment is NOT as strong.

As a social worker I worked with street people and I would have to say that some of these people have a very much of a strong survival instinct in order to survive under those conditions. I have met among these those who were pretty well learned with what I believe to be high IQ's. Now you would wonder why this is?

Some just couldn't take the rat race anymore and preferred living on the street over continuing  to play the game. Some will turn to alcohol and drugs and wind up dead among the trash in some alley. I have seen the misery and I have lived it as well but luckily it was only for a short time. I believe that most people that are well-to-do and those who are popular in their field of research are very stressed out from the demands they are expected to meet.  They end up either in that alleyway or are found in their own beds with their wrists sliced open in their luxury home.

For us it is similar in a way that where the need becomes so unbearable we may chose death rather then entertain the thought of transition.  And then there are those of us who have the will to survive that gives us the strength we need to get through it.  As for having the female and male energy or spirit of both genders, in some north American tribes these people were named *Berdache derived from French and Persian. which translates pretty close to the same as transsexual* they were highly regarded as having big medicine and they were given the position in the tribe as a shaman. But it must be you and only you who has to do this. The community of they will not get you there only you.

QuoteFor one thing it appears that in all the labels I have above the one thing that seems to be common is hurt suffering through one thing or another, like some horse's back sides putting their spouse through living hell, and many who have suffered from rape and beating .

Been there, and as I have said before, I am a tiny person, non-confrontational and I have experienced all that you have said including the horses back side and the whole enchilada, and yes, including rape as well, I guess that completes the picture on me. I just had to make a choice and extracted myself from such. After I left I knew that I needed some support and actually ended up attending meetings at an abused women's center for a time.

Cindy

Posted on: September 18, 2007, 05:58:00 AM

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I thought I might post this link that you may find of interest. It is part of the spirit  and these energies at work are unseen with the unaided eye but can be both felt and seen if one is sufficiently sensitive to this energy they may feel it much easier then seen. See link bellow.

http://www.crystalinks.com/gridmetaphysics.html

I am also inserting one of my own writings about

My theory is that all is consciousness. Mater, energy, space, time,
light.

It is said that space and time is fluid like and can be
distorted by a sufficiently powerful enough gravitational or anti
gravitational field. Dark energy, although it is not certain yet
what affect this energy has in the universe, except for a
mathematical equation that seems to fit in quite well to connect the
unexplained behaviors that are going on in the universe. Something
to feed the high tech computers as a link to why the universe has
not yet started to retreat upon itself for one.

Dark energy they think repels regular gravity like an anti
gravitational energy or something like that, I don't remember the
exact terminology. On the other hand a black hole has the opposite
affect with such a tremendously powerful gravitational pull that
even light can't escape once it traverses event horizon. It is also
postulated that if it were possible to survive and pass through
event horizon of a black hole you would find that time would be
moving backwards.

Let us leave any other potential levels of reality for now and just
concentrate on the one we reside in. If every single atomic particle
electromagnetic micro dust particles and energy waves and light
make up the ethereal grid which is the fabric, the cohesive, if you
may, that binds all that is in the universe together then the
universe would be like the tapestry woven unto this grid or ethereal
fabric. With this evidence of intelligent design even the lowly worm
has a complex matrix construct that just can't happen by chance.
Then if this is so would not the universe be the consciousness of
Oneness or as it is referred to as God by most Christians

Now could it be that quantum levels of reality be structured
similarly with their own ethereal grids, each a microsecond out of
phase from one another and ours, an infinity of veils, one upon the
other like the pages in a telephone book, but the sum of all these
quantum levels or all the pages of that hypothetical telephone book
would only be about the thickness of just one page from that of a
telephone book ***The veil*** that separates us from the other
realities or quantum dimensions and the sum of all as being within
the oneness and the Oneness within us all, another infinity.

Cindy

QuoteThey say that the brilliant have minds which have stronger connections between the two sides.  Perhaps, in certain individuals, a self-preservation compartment is NOT as strong.

People are all different. We can have an experience and not be aware of it. Some do not know how they are feeling at any given moment. Others can use these unaware experiences to make correct intuitive decisions. Being brilliant is a relative subjective call. What society values and the individual values are two different things if you are not conditioned to have any thoughts of your own. We all have a finite amount of time. How we spend that time is our own choice. Who is to say one is better than another?

Hi lisagurl your response is right on the money and thank you for joining us on this big dig into our search and discovery  in the infinite potentialities. Before we can understand others we need to understand our own selves first. And I do so agree that every individual will interpret the world around them different to their fellows next to them. Everyones observation and perception of the same object you will  find that their observations will vary to certain degrees from one individual to the other.

It is all in the way we proses this data in our physical minds that will determine how we  interpretate the environment around us. But yet they are honestly telling you their own truth from their own perspective and understanding. I am sensitive to peoples energy and I can most times able to sense the difference between a truth, untruth and an outright lie, or if it is from  the utterly bizarre. This is not necessarily telling truth or untruth but could be from one with a very active and vivid imagination.

This thread hinges on the utterly bizarre, theorised by our own observation and imaginative minds in attempt to fill in the missing pieces of the great cosmic puzzle. Most humans are naturally a curious lot which began from the time we first climbed down out of the trees and looked up at the stars in the night sky and stood their scratching our primitive craniums.

Quotef you are not conditioned to have any thoughts of your own. We all have a finite amount of time. How we spend that time is our own choice.

Conditioning, now there is a word I have come to dislike and maybe this was why I turned out to be such a rebel in my younger days, It was just plain difficult being ordered or told what I should or should not do, but I had my own way to rebel without being destructive. Education, now that is a zebra of different stripes. Certainly all should have the rights to be taught the three R's but even back then I refused to learn anything that went against my grain.

I just simply refused to be conditioned or told what I should or should not do. Society, at school and in the work place.  I spent twenty five years in a alcoholic haze in an attempt at escaping from society and their boring idea of conforming into living in them small restricted boxes they live in and expecting me to live by their boring standards. Here I am 62 years old and I still refuse to live by their restrictive  standards.

I think of myself as a free thinker and unless they have free thinker police come to arrest me I will refuse to be restricted by anyone who tries to control my life style or way of thinking. I do believe that my transitioning and the SRS was in part one hell of a good way of breaking their molds and giving them the birdy and tell them to go pith up a rope.  Well I never said those things out loud, but it certainly was in my thoughts, Anyway what can you expect from an old hippy.

Cindy 

QuoteThis is not necessarily telling truth or untruth but could be from one with a very active and vivid imagination.

We never remember all the details of a memory. What happens is we remember the gist of the past and fill in the details with our imagination. To us it is true but to someone else it might seem a lie or at least different than what they remember of the same incident.

Quote from: cindybc on September 12, 2007, 09:14:02 PMOur own radio signals from their earliest broadcasts may be just about now reaching the closest star to us, Proxima Centauri. Prauxima Centauri children maybe just now be sitting down to what ever approximation to TV they have watching the first release of Mickey Mouse.  "hee, hee."

A slight correction: Proxima Centauri is 4.7 light years away, so they are now receiving broadcasts from just 4.7 years ago. Those children have seen the coverage of 9/11 and are watching Survivor and CSI.

Scary thought...

Hi lisagurl
That's another bingo. I find myself reminiscing my past when I was a child, so many wonderful memories and so very detailed like a photo. But what I did yesterday is less detailed then back when I was a child although I have a really good memory for certain things I won't remember in as much detail what I did yesterday. I am very sensitive to certain things and people, or just exactly what I was doing, but I will remember experiencing yesterday better by feelings and emotions then I do visually.

I couldn't tell you if that is a reaction from the hormones or just a latent ability to feel things that I have had all along but didn't really pay much attention to it before.

But I an hard put in remembering anything thing mundane or the usual day to day routine. Especially paper work, I hate paperwork to mundane and boring for me. I am so grateful that my soulmate does the paperwork 

Cindy

I apologize in advance for varying off my original post but some topics have come up and, well, I'm always eager to throw my two cents in...

Lisagurl --
Thanks for joining in our posts.  You're right.  Each of us remembers a dramatic incident differently.  I've seen a classroom where someone comes in, steals something and runs out.  It's amazing how differently all the people in the class remember it -- what we each perceive.

Regarding each of us having our own way of looking at things:
When one of my close friends and I watch a film, I'll ask her if she liked it.  She'll say "yes" or "no" but won't offer details.  I'll ask "why did you like it?"  She'll answer, "I don't know, I just liked it."  I'll return, "But WHY did you like it?"  She'll say, "I don't know.  I just liked it!"  Though she's a very bright person, she feels no need to discuss the WHY of it.  For me, because I used to work in the film industry, I want to know why.  Her mind sees no need to go there.  She just enjoys the film.  End of story.

We each either fixate on, or consider or ignore things.  I don't know why suicide and bigotry are things I consider - not doing anything about either but just ponder or get sad about from time to time.  I don't know why I can't take Cindy's logical argument, basically saying to heck with them or it.  Contrarily, I don't care a hoot about what Catholics think -- to me, it's just a lot of hocus pocus or holier than thou stuff.  So, why should I care about what bigotted idiots in society think?  I know I create my own internal conflict.  But society HAS had an affect on me.  I'm probably not working now because of bigotry -- not just the gender stuff but bigotry against older people.  The film biz is a very youth-oriented place.  I can't hate that -- it just IS.  When a dog is kicked, it automatically is wary when a human approaches.  I guess I have that auto-reaction because I too am wary.

Regarding the spiritual stuff:
Cindy, you could be right that all matter and energy is spiritual and that it's almost like a FORCE that can be used for good or evil.  To me, though, the only spiritual thing is what happens in a brain, how it interprets, uses or throws away.  It's strange -- I've always been skeptical of the existence of good spirits but, after seeing Exorcist, have never really doubted that there could be bad spirits.  I guess with things like the holocaust, the Inquisition, mass murders in Russia and China (among many other countries) and 9/11, it's EASIER to accept that there are bad forces in the world.  I have trouble accepting that, if there is such a thing as a God who watches over us (the Shephard thing), where's He been?  Self-determination is one thing but He's either a Shephard or He's not.  Don't bother watching if all that's gonna happen is that we're gonna die.  Watching is no help.

And when you get down to it, evolution is a pretty cruel thing.  I like nature documentaries except when they show what they LOVE to show -- animals killing each other to survive.  I realize that it's necessary for survival but I wonder if people watching are doing so with that scientific thought or is it just like slowing down and rubbernecking an accident on a freeway?  Why is mankind so fascinated by violence?  When will we evolve into something that treasures peace more than war?  But a chemical reaction occurs in each of us when we see violence.  It probably is some instinct that goes back to neanderthal days when we DID have to club something to survive.

Annie mentioned, "Proxima Centauri is 4.7 light years away, so they are now receiving broadcasts from just 4.7 years ago."  I don't understand this -- could someone explain this a little more? 

By the way, contrary to the above, I don't just ponder the negative.  I'm fascinated by scientific advances, particularly in the cosmos and in medicine.  Nature is all around where I now live and so, despite losing work, there are many pluses to my life now.  And the beat goes on.

Teri Anne

Hi Teri

About 9/11 I was still on Susan's chat. I had spent the entire night up doing whatever I could to help this person who was threatening suicide. When I was done it had been  a job well done, but I still felt so sad and I felt this really heavy weight on me. I get them every time some disaster is going to hit, somewhere a couple or three days before the catastrophe is going to hit. Well four hours later I heard about 9/11 and I just froze in my tracks and felt a wave of nausea with goose bumps all over me.  I will be back later because I truly want to respond to all of your questions.

Your friend,

Cindy

Quote from: Teri Anne on September 18, 2007, 08:05:33 PMAnnie mentioned, "Proxima Centauri is 4.7 light years away, so they are now receiving broadcasts from just 4.7 years ago."  I don't understand this -- could someone explain this a little more?

It's really simple... radio and television waves travel at the speed of light. From the moment we first broadcast a signal, the energy has been rushing outwards. By definition, something traveling at the speed of light travels 4.7 light years in 4.7 years.

Assuming there was someone out there to receive it (and that they had sensitive enough receivers), persons around Proxima Centauri started receiving coverage of 9/11 about the end of May of last year.

Hi Cindy - As an architecture fan (particularly that of Frank Lloyd Wright), I remember disbelieving Tom Brokaw on 9/11/2001 - As the towers were burning, he said they "would have to be totally rebuilt."  I felt that it showed his ignorance for how strong the buildings were.  I knew better.  I knew about architecture and structure.  Then, I remember screaming, "Nooo!" as they fell -- I was alone in the room yet I had shouted.  And then, tears.  It was inconceivable.  It still shocks me.  As much as I feel wonder of the universe, somehow this overshadowed everything for awhile.  On 9/11/2007, when they reran the "Today" show footage, I recorded it.  Then, I erased it.  Some things are too painful.

Anna - Thank you for explaining.  Yes, makes perfect sense.  Television and radio waves travel damn quickly, lol.  The Proxima Centaurians are probably wondering why, given mankind's progress, it still seems bogged down with the same stuff...hatred and a feeling of looking down on others.

Hopefully, though, the "I Love Lucy," "Seinfeld," and "Frazier" reruns are giving them a laugh.

Teri Anne

QuoteRegarding each of us having our own way of looking at things:
When one of my close friends and I watch a film, I'll ask her if she liked it.  She'll say "yes" or "no" but won't offer details.  I'll ask "why did you like it?"  She'll answer, "I don't know, I just liked it."  I'll return, "But WHY did you like it?"  She'll say, "I don't know.  I just liked it!"  Though she's a very bright person, she feels no need to discuss the WHY of it.  For me, because I used to work in the film industry, I want to know why.  Her mind sees no need to go there.  She just enjoys the film.  End of story

There are people who have alexithymia like myself. If someone asks how I am feeling I could not tell you. I am not aware of my feelings most the time. In extreme fits of anger or frustrations then I can tell. It does not mean we do not feel just that it stored in the subconscious and can be accessed only intuitively. I rarely read fiction our watch movies twice they just have no appeal when there is no feeling attached. I only watch shows for the story.

I realize movie makers put a lot of effort into their craft but it is just not important to some of us.

Hi lisagurl

About intuitivity I do believe that many present and past experiences can be channeled into from subconscious mind and who knows how many memories have been stored there thought the years.

But there are those who can connect intuatively or those who are sensitive very low frequency energies that most folks are not aware of and and one with such sensitivity can also feel vibrations outside themselves. Time  and space is not an obstacle to these human emotions and feelings of others around you. But this a ability can be a God send or a curse. You must have heard before about those that can sense a change in air pressure and the increasing energy before a storm. In other words they can sense a change in the weather as much as 24 hrs prior to the actual storm materialising. Similar process with feeling others peoples energy.

Teri hon you are a woeful caring sensitive person and please hang on to that which makes your character and who you are quite unique.  It is a gift and as for all the awful crap that is going on in the world all one can do is send prayers for those unfortunate that are caught up into this misery. Like I have said before I can't watch or read the news it is to painful for me. One hears about what is going on in the world soon enough even if you don't read or watch the news. Watch the stock report or sports if that is your thing or watch a good movie.  Goodness knows there isn't much to watch on TV. My soul mate and I usually go out and rent movies now and again when there is not much happening on the web. Well there is a lot of stuff pertaining subjects that pertain to what we have discussed on this thread that one can research on the web.

Cindy 

Lisagurl - Thanks for the info on alexithymia....

Wikepedia states: "Alexithymia frequently co-occurs with other disorders, with a representative prevalence of 85% in autistic spectrum disorders,[25] 40% in posttraumatic stress disorder,[26] 63% in anorexia nervosa and 56% in bulimia,[27] 45% in major depressive disorder,[12] 34% in panic disorder,[28] and 50% in substance abusers.[29]"

I would have thought that anyone with posttraumatic stress would have a problem revisiting the traumatic incident in an emotional way, over and over.  It seems contradictory that many who have alexithymia don't feel emotion. 

Does this lack of emotion mean that you don't feel stress as much?  I would think that part could be a plus at times.  I've sometimes lamented that, due to estrogen, I've become far more emotional than I used to be.  I was always emotional -- that can be wonderful when I see a romantic film.  But emotion can a terribly sad thing too -- and that stressful sadness can shorten years in my life, I would think.

My mother was a stereotypical German -- ie. stoic.  I never saw her get emotional.  I wonder, from what you say Lisagurl, if stoic people have some alexithymia in them.  I sometimes have admired that stoic trait in my mother.  She put up with a lot of stresses that seemed to just roll off her back.  It's hard to say how much of her being stoic was her or how much society in her generation strived to be so -- don't show emotion.

Regarding my ex -- I think my explanation of her not wanting to explain WHY she liked a film or not was just a matter of her interest rather than a character trait.  She could be very emotional on a personal level or in describing architecture.

Cindy - Though I can be saddened by things in the news, I am definitely a news junkie.  I switch between the four news cable stations and have even been interested in how the same topic is covered by the different organizations.  While I'm liberal/libertarian (MSNBC type), I don't shun hearing the Fox news interpretation of news.  Along with watching the various documentary stations (History, Discovery, H&G), I guess I'm just interested in real things in life (as opposed to "reality" shows).  I do wish that the news stations would concentrate less on Britany/Paris Hilton and more on scientific progress.  The science websites like Space.com and magazines like Popular Science could be of mass interest if stations would only stop revering stardom.  I think it's a crime that there aren't thousands of video interviews of the best minds of our times.  Frank Lloyd Wright, for example, was only interviewed for television a couple of times.  Wouldn't it be interesting to hear Einstein in his own words?  But noooo, we gotta hear of Brittany.

By the way -- there's a post elsewhere at Susan's about diverting a post's main thread.  I again apologize for diverting my own thread but, in a sense, that's the way conversation is in real life.  Some things lead to other things.  I guess one good thing about starting my own thread is that I can take my own thing elsewhere, to the stars and beyond, lol.  And I haven't minded when you'all have done the same because, bottom line, what you brought up was interesting.

Teri Anne