Here's a video that may help you feel better.. There is so much negativity towards the trans community by some in the church, but once again, its mostly because of a lack of education and understanding.. Here is some very good real information that more and more churches are starting to teach, and it should ease your worries and fear...
You are most certainly a gift from God, don't let the haters make you feel otherwise..!
The first 2-3 minutes is kinda slow, but the rest is very good..
Trangender People and the Church @ CanyonWalkerCo...:

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 25, 2014, 12:31:11 PM
I feel bad that a lot of trans people are promiscuous, we are called to greater things than that. It's okay to be trans, but respect yourself. God bless!

I am sorry, but where do you get this idea from? Trans people are in no way more promiscuous than heteronormative people at all. Actually body dysphoria often makes relationships and sex challenging, so we actually have a lower rate of promiscuity. Many transwomen resort to sex work because they are disowned by their parents, but I don't believe it's by personal choice.

Quote from: Auroramarianna on August 25, 2014, 06:11:13 PM
I am sorry, but where do you get this idea from? Trans people are in no way more promiscuous than heteronormative people at all. Actually body dysphoria often makes relationships and sex challenging, so we actually have a lower rate of promiscuity. Many transwomen resort to sex work because they are disowned by their parents, but I don't believe it's by personal choice.

I guess you can call me a conservative transgender Catholic. In regards to certain issues I am very open minded. However, I think we are all women, and as women we have to be good Christian women. We should not dress provocatively to attract men. When we make men lust, we are making then fall in mortal sin. However, unlike other Catholics I do believe HRT,  and SRS are morally acceptable on the basis that it is a legitimate therapeutic treatment. We should not have sex before marriage. When we marry even if its difficult to find someone to marry us, what matters is that we know our love is pure and holy in the eyes of God. In conclusion, I believe it is okay to be transgender, you just need to be the best person you can be. Before you do anything examine your conscience. Is this okay with God? Remember God loves you.

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 09:32:42 AM
I guess you can call me a conservative transgender Catholic. In regards to certain issues I am very open minded. However, I think we are all women, and as women we have to be good Christian women. We should not dress provocatively to attract men. When we make men lust, we are making then fall in mortal sin. However, unlike other Catholics I do believe HRT,  and SRS are morally acceptable on the basis that it is a legitimate therapeutic treatment. We should not have sex before marriage. When we marry even if its difficult to find someone to marry us, what matters is that we know our love is pure and holy in the eyes of God. In conclusion, I believe it is okay to be transgender, you just need to be the best person you can be. Before you do anything examine your conscience. Is this okay with God? Remember God loves you.

Women can dress any damn way they want to; if men can't control their own base instincts that's their fault. Slut or victim shaming won't get you far here.

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 09:32:42 AM
I guess you can call me a conservative transgender Catholic. In regards to certain issues I am very open minded. However, I think we are all women, and as women we have to be good Christian women. We should not dress provocatively to attract men. When we make men lust, we are making then fall in mortal sin. However, unlike other Catholics I do believe HRT,  and SRS are morally acceptable on the basis that it is a legitimate therapeutic treatment. We should not have sex before marriage. When we marry even if its difficult to find someone to marry us, what matters is that we know our love is pure and holy in the eyes of God. In conclusion, I believe it is okay to be transgender, you just need to be the best person you can be. Before you do anything examine your conscience. Is this okay with God? Remember God loves you.

I'm not Catholic and I don't believe in mortal sins, but aside from that, I fully agree with you on everything else, and I wish more people would have that mindset.

Quote from: Mark3 on August 25, 2014, 02:58:44 PM
Here's a video that may help you feel better.. There is so much negativity towards the trans community by some in the church, but once again, its mostly because of a lack of education and understanding.. Here is some very good real information that more and more churches are starting to teach, and it should ease your worries and fear...
You are most certainly a gift from God, don't let the haters make you feel otherwise..!
The first 2-3 minutes is kinda slow, but the rest is very good..
Trangender People and the Church @ CanyonWalkerCo...:

I love Kathy!  She is such an amazing woman that has done so much for the LBGT Christian community.

Quote from: Hopeful cutie on March 19, 2014, 10:27:12 AM
I really don't consider myself religious, but my parents are very much so and it influences my life, I certainly cannot simply not think about it. The question is, if hell is real am I not going there for being transgendered? The bible does say a man or woman wearing the other genders clothes is an abomination. I'm so worried about this.

Quote from a nun at a Catholic university: "The only hell is loneliness."

Quote from: Wynternight on August 26, 2014, 11:03:53 AM
if men can't control their own base instincts that's their fault.

But who is provoking their instincts? The person who is provoking them is putting the man in a slippery situation. Therefore, being at fault for putting the man in temptation. If you're dressed in a provocative manner, you know exactly what you are doing to men. Why not dress modestly so the guy gets to know you, instead of thinking about your body? I dress cute, I am passable, I don't have to over do it to attract men. It's completely okay to become who you know you are, but you still have to follow what Jesus expects of every female. Transgender is not an exclusion.

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 11:49:39 AM
But who is provoking their instincts? The person who is provoking them is putting the man in a slippery situation. Therefore, being at fault for putting the man in temptation. If you're dressed in a provocative manner, you know exactly what you are doing to men. Why not dress modestly so the guy gets to know you, instead of thinking about your body? I dress cute, I am passable, I don't have to over do it to attract men. It's completely okay to become who you know you are, but you still have to follow what Jesus expects of every female. Transgender is not an exclusion.

Sorry but this is crap. This is victim shaming. No one provokes men but men. They need to control their own damn urges and women need to be allowed to dress as they wish. You are slut shaming and victim blaming and again, this isn't going to go well for you here.

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 11:49:39 AM
But who is provoking their instincts? The person who is provoking them is putting the man in a slippery situation. Therefore, being at fault for putting the man in temptation. If you're dressed in a provocative manner, you know exactly what you are doing to men. Why not dress modestly so the guy gets to know you, instead of thinking about your body? I dress cute, I am passable, I don't have to over do it to attract men. It's completely okay to become who you know you are, but you still have to follow what Jesus expects of every female. Transgender is not an exclusion.

I am so sorry Jaz, but I have to disagree with you on this one. I love miniskirts, high heels, short shorts, tank tops, halter tops and so on. It should interest men to be attracted to me and their instinct to flirt and enjoy the "dance" with me but in no way tempt them to lose judgment in anyway to think they can just take what they want. The whole thing about being and dressing sexy is to pique their interest on you. Makeup, hair, clothing high heels and so on is to get guys interests turned toward you. It is never ever OK for someone to think they can take what they want without being consensual. If they are tempted that bad, I am so sorry Hon, but there is truly something deranged about them.

I want to feel sexy. I want to dress the way I want to dress. It is an invitation but not to taking something I don't want to give freely. It is an invitation to flirt, talk, dance, and so on. I definitely agree with Wynternight on this one. If they don't have self control, what else will they lose control over? No, means no. I know because it happened to me when I was young by a step brother and I was in no way dressed provocatively or anything else. Just looked girly. Funny 'cause I am bi and I like men and women, trans or cis and them or me dressed provocatively or not I have and they have never done anything that wasn't consensual.

I just can't buy that it is the woman's fault no matter what. Sorry Jaz. But Hon we are all different and how you want to dress and find a guy and how I want to dress and find a guy is just another personal preference thing. And either way is no excuse for a guy taking what he wants, no matter what.

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 11:49:39 AM
But who is provoking their instincts? The person who is provoking them is putting the man in a slippery situation. Therefore, being at fault for putting the man in temptation. If you're dressed in a provocative manner, you know exactly what you are doing to men. Why not dress modestly so the guy gets to know you, instead of thinking about your body? I dress cute, I am passable, I don't have to over do it to attract men. It's completely okay to become who you know you are, but you still have to follow what Jesus expects of every female. Transgender is not an exclusion.

So is this permission to suck the dick of the next shirtless dude I see?

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 11:49:39 AM
But who is provoking their instincts? The person who is provoking them is putting the man in a slippery situation. Therefore, being at fault for putting the man in temptation. If you're dressed in a provocative manner, you know exactly what you are doing to men. Why not dress modestly so the guy gets to know you, instead of thinking about your body? I dress cute, I am passable, I don't have to over do it to attract men. It's completely okay to become who you know you are, but you still have to follow what Jesus expects of every female. Transgender is not an exclusion.

If you're blaming women for dressing the way they want and suggesting they somehow asked to be raped, please stop now. It's not true. There is no such thing as putting man in temptation. Most rape crime is planned. So that means it has nothing to do with what a woman wears. A man who rapes a woman in bikini will do the same to one who's wearing the burka. Who's at fault? The women who wore somehow provocative clothes? Or the man who used an humiliating way to overpower the woman? And what is provocative clothes anyway? Are you implying a man can justify his crime and mortal sin with what she wore? So what if he considers the burka provocative (which would be btw ridiculous because the burka shows no skin at all)? Oh, then rape is totally justified. It's ridiculous what you're suggesting. Sorry, I won't shut up my mouth. FYI, in India there are lots of women who are raped everyday. Guess what? They don't wear provocative clothes at all and a woman who does will be damned by their society. That doesn't prevent them from being raped. Everyday. Imagine if you had to go through that and when you do open your mouth and tell the authorities, your family, friends, everyone blaming you. Because somehow your inherent state as a woman makes you guilty of whichever sexual advances men make on you, whether you want them or not.

Please read this:

"Myth: Rape is an impulsive crime. It is an act of sexual gratification.

Fact: 90% of group rapes are planned. 58% of single rapes are planned. 75% of all rapes are planned. Practically every word of this myth can be converted by facts. Impulsive, controllable; as seen above, a majority of rapes are planned. Also, one important emotional payoff for the rapist is to be in control, not out of control. The primary motive displayed by most convicted rapist is aggression, dominance, and anger, NOT sex. Sex is used as a weapon to inflict violence, humiliation, and conquest on a victim."

I cannot believe that in 21st century that there are still people thinking like this.

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 11:49:39 AM
But who is provoking their instincts? The person who is provoking them is putting the man in a slippery situation. Therefore, being at fault for putting the man in temptation. If you're dressed in a provocative manner, you know exactly what you are doing to men. Why not dress modestly so the guy gets to know you, instead of thinking about your body? I dress cute, I am passable, I don't have to over do it to attract men. It's completely okay to become who you know you are, but you still have to follow what Jesus expects of every female. Transgender is not an exclusion.

Some men are attracted to certain women just because they appear exotic. Just by having darker skin, or by being Asian, you can "provoke their instincts." Do you believe that a woman is still responsible for a man's lust, just because she happens to be Mediterranean, or Romany, or Asian, or whatever? You don't have any control over that. If you can accept that much, how is it any different that a woman suddenly has control over what a man feels about her for the way she dresses? Nobody is responsible for a man's lust except for the man.

I have a hard time agreeing with anything you've said, honestly. Jesus himself actually said very little about sexuality or lust, and all of it was in the context of adultery, not lust. Four passages in total. I'll cite them if you want.

To the OP, the Bible says all sin is equal. So, even if we were "abominations", that is just as forgivable as a kid who disrespects his parents, or someone who steals, or murders, or whatever. The Christ's sacrificed washed away all sin; none of it is so bad you will be summarily rejected from heaven no matter what, so long as it's repented, save one: In Matthew 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Quote from: Auroramarianna on August 26, 2014, 02:02:06 PM
If you're blaming women for dressing the way they want and suggesting they somehow asked to be raped, please stop now. It's not true. There is no such thing as putting man in temptation. Most rape crime is planned. So that means it has nothing to do with what a woman wears. A man who rapes a woman in bikini will do the same to one who's wearing the burka. Who's at fault? The women who wore somehow provocative clothes? Or the man who used an humiliating way to overpower the woman? And what is provocative clothes anyway? Are you implying a man can justify his crime and mortal sin with what she wore? So what if he considers the burka provocative (which would be btw ridiculous because the burka shows no skin at all)? Oh, then rape is totally justified. It's ridiculous what you're suggesting. Sorry, I won't shut up my mouth. FYI, in India there are lots of women who are raped everyday. Guess what? They don't wear provocative clothes at all and a woman who does will be damned by their society. That doesn't prevent them from being raped. Everyday. Imagine if you had to go through that and when you do open your mouth and tell the authorities, your family, friends, everyone blaming you. Because somehow your inherent state as a woman makes you guilty of whichever sexual advances men make on you, whether you want them or not.

Please read this:

"Myth: Rape is an impulsive crime. It is an act of sexual gratification.

Fact: 90% of group rapes are planned. 58% of single rapes are planned. 75% of all rapes are planned. Practically every word of this myth can be converted by facts. Impulsive, controllable; as seen above, a majority of rapes are planned. Also, one important emotional payoff for the rapist is to be in control, not out of control. The primary motive displayed by most convicted rapist is aggression, dominance, and anger, NOT sex. Sex is used as a weapon to inflict violence, humiliation, and conquest on a victim."

I cannot believe that in 21st century
that there are still people thinking like this.

No, you guys do not understand. I am not talking about rape, rape is horrible. I am talking about lust being a sin. If you are dressed provocatively, a man will look at you and think you're"hot". That means he's lusting you. He is seeing as an object, a attractive object. This is lust, and it all started with how you were dressed. Lust is a deadly sin. Get it or not, that's all I'm going to say. God bless!

Quote from: Auroramarianna on August 26, 2014, 02:02:06 PM
If you're blaming women for dressing the way they want and suggesting they somehow asked to be raped, please stop now. It's not true. There is no such thing as putting man in temptation. Most rape crime is planned. So that means it has nothing to do with what a woman wears. A man who rapes a woman in bikini will do the same to one who's wearing the burka. Who's at fault? The women who wore somehow provocative clothes? Or the man who used an humiliating way to overpower the woman? And what is provocative clothes anyway? Are you implying a man can justify his crime and mortal sin with what she wore? So what if he considers the burka provocative (which would be btw ridiculous because the burka shows no skin at all)? Oh, then rape is totally justified. It's ridiculous what you're suggesting. Sorry, I won't shut up my mouth. FYI, in India there are lots of women who are raped everyday. Guess what? They don't wear provocative clothes at all and a woman who does will be damned by their society. That doesn't prevent them from being raped. Everyday. Imagine if you had to go through that and when you do open your mouth and tell the authorities, your family, friends, everyone blaming you. Because somehow your inherent state as a woman makes you guilty of whichever sexual advances men make on you, whether you want them or not.

Please read this:

"Myth: Rape is an impulsive crime. It is an act of sexual gratification.

Fact: 90% of group rapes are planned. 58% of single rapes are planned. 75% of all rapes are planned. Practically every word of this myth can be converted by facts. Impulsive, controllable; as seen above, a majority of rapes are planned. Also, one important emotional payoff for the rapist is to be in control, not out of control. The primary motive displayed by most convicted rapist is aggression, dominance, and anger, NOT sex. Sex is used as a weapon to inflict violence, humiliation, and conquest on a victim."

I cannot believe that in 21st century that there are still people thinking like this.

Please cut her some slack Auroramannia. I know where she is coming from and kind of sort of why.

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 02:53:46 PM
No, you guys do not understand. I am not talking about rape, rape is horrible. I am talking about lust being a sin. If you are dressed provocatively, a man will look at you and think you're"hot". That means he's lusting you. He is seeing as an object, a attractive object. This is lust, and it all started with how you were dressed. Lust is a deadly sin. Get it or not, that's all I'm going to say. God bless!

This is an area supposed to be free from judgement and self-righteous preaching and moralizing. Many of the people here have been ->-bleeped-<- on their whole lives due to religious people and their holier-than-thou crap and you bring it here with you? I'm blocking you. Your attitude is not wanted here, at least by me.

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 02:53:46 PM
No, you guys do not understand. I am not talking about rape, rape is horrible. I am talking about lust being a sin. If you are dressed provocatively, a man will look at you and think you're"hot". That means he's lusting you. He is seeing as an object, a attractive object. This is lust, and it all started with how you were dressed. Lust is a deadly sin. Get it or not, that's all I'm going to say. God bless!

You do know the 7 deadly sins are not in the Bible right? They were written long after the Bible was. The 7 deadly sins: Lust, Greed, Gluttony, Pride, Sloth, Wrath and Envy, was written long after the most accepted, King James version, of the Bible was written, right?

Rape is horrible and inexcusable and if it weren't for lust the world would probably a pretty empty place. There are plenty of deadly sins. If a guy wants to see me as an object, I am. A woman. Infertile with SRS or not. If I turn him on I am most definitely prideful, If he falls in love with me I am happy. Believe me Hon. I understand. "Be fruitful and multiply." I will not say anymore my little sister, but never cast the first stone. You may not want to hear this, and you may smite me but you cast it and I caught it and will not throw it back Hon. All I have to say is think about it. That's all, just think about what you said and I said. No malice because I indeed live in a glass house hon. I really don't know what to say other than you are an important part of this place just because you are here.

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 02:53:46 PM
No, you guys do not understand. I am not talking about rape, rape is horrible. I am talking about lust being a sin. If you are dressed provocatively, a man will look at you and think you're"hot". That means he's lusting you. He is seeing as an object, a attractive object. This is lust, and it all started with how you were dressed. Lust is a deadly sin. Get it or not, that's all I'm going to say. God bless!

Whatever. I am not going to argue with you whether it is sin or not because I am not at all religious, just spiritual. I find your reasoning to be flawed anyway. So is a shirtless man also somehow at fault for exposing himself and letting women lust on him? Because I honestly see a double standard here as you are only implying it is wonen who should be modest not to disturb men's thoughts but you make no comment about how men should wear. Sin is only the person's who commits fault according to your religion. So I don't see your point. You are basically holding women to an impossible standard. Who says the guy doesn't have a huge neck fetish and gets aroused upon seeing one? Is that her fault because she didn't cover it up?

Sorry if I misunderstood your initial post.

EDIT: Excuse me my spelling, I am on my phone

Quote from: Jaz650 on August 26, 2014, 02:53:46 PM
No, you guys do not understand. I am not talking about rape, rape is horrible. I am talking about lust being a sin. If you are dressed provocatively, a man will look at you and think you're"hot". That means he's lusting you. He is seeing as an object, a attractive object. This is lust, and it all started with how you were dressed. Lust is a deadly sin. Get it or not, that's all I'm going to say. God bless!

Lust isn't a sin, it's a natural, biological reaction. Animalistic, perhaps, but in itself it's just a feeling. It's when you act upon it against someone's will that it becomes a problem. If there is no mutual agreement, no matter what it is, it's an infringement upon individual freedom. Dressing seductively without intention to seduce, however, is just foolish in times like these. There's a lot of repressed sexuality out there due to this very anti-lust sentiment, and that makes for some very unstable individuals. Funny how that works. 

Locked for 24 hours. Calm down folks.