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Living Stealth - To Tell or not to Tell?

Started by Rose Dawson, June 04, 2005, 06:14:43 AM

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Shelley

QuoteWhen things are rough and you're down.. you NEED the support of people you know and love..

So so true Dennis as opposedto the other one ;D.

Shelley
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Cassandra

Hi Dennis,

Wow! How unusual. You really get it. I don't see the point of stealth it's like denying who you are for so many uears to accept yourself transition and then deny who you are again. I have more to say but a guest just arrived so I will have to come back to this. Talk later.

Cassie
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ILoveTSWomen

Cassie,

What are you saying, that it's I unusal I would get a post? LOL

Just teasing, but thanks for saying so.

Dennis In GA
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AmyNYC

Quote from: DennisInGA on November 21, 2005, 06:27:28 PMI also find it disturbing that many of you have to relocate to some place where you are unknown to start over because of lack of acceptance in your communities.

Every single person in my life (family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, bosses) accepts my choice to change genders 100%.  Having said that, I can still understand the desire to relocate and start over.  Every single person that knew me "before" still screws up my name & pronouns occassionally.  And when it happens in front of someone that didn't know me before, it really upsets me.  Also, people who knew me before just treat me differently.  They don't mean to, and it's not in a bad way.  Like I said, they all accept me 100%.  But I can't imagine that changing any time soon, and certainly never changing 100%.

I would most certainly NEVER cut off communications with my family.  Since I live in NYC, there's no need to relocate to another part of the country, but I know I will move neighborhoods at some point in the next year or two, purely so nobody will know me.  And I think about changing jobs all the time.  Or I imagine a time down the road when I suddenly realize that, besides my family, there's nobody that knew me "before".  That's a really nice thought.

Amy
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ILoveTSWomen

Amy,

I can understand the starting over fresh somewhere new, really I can. Heck, I'm doing so myself for different reasons.

I just find it unacceptable that anyone would "have to" because of intolerance. That's all. It is just so unfair.

One of the great things I have found here is diversity... personally I'm loving it! I enjoy all the different opinions and viewpoints.

My heart goes out to anyone who has to transplant themselves because they are no longer accepted.

Dennis
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DawnL

Before SRS, I wrote that I had no intention of living stealth and yet I am in a way.  The people who knew before know of course but I've met a lot of people since who do not know and I'd rather they didn't (the befores and afters are unlikely to mix with each other).  There is no reason to volunteer the information and since the afters accept and treat me as a woman, why would I want to mess that up?  Yet I see a certain inevitability that these people will find out and I worry about the consequences of discovery and so here I am, sitting in the box I said I intended to avoid.  I never thought I would pass completely, but evidently I do and so this is an unexpected result really.  So unless I tell people or wear a badge, they have no reason to suspect.  Hmm...so stealth it is then...until they find out...if they find out...

Dawn
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Hazumu

Interesting thread, this!  And, Dawn, You've kind of answered a 'what if' question I had...

I agree that personal relationships have to have total honesty about our trans status.  If anybody doubts the violent reactions that can occur, please review the scene in "The Crying Game" where Fergus discovers Dil's transgender status...

To those people I'm out to who have asked if I'm doing this for sex, I point out that the most likely result of being honest with potential (male) intimate parters is instantaneous rejection -- not only will they no longer view me as a potential 'playmate', but they will likely have nothing at all to do with me after that.  If I'm looking for 'sex', I'm certainly going about it the wrong way!

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tinkerbell

If you are living stealth, the idea is not to tell...duh! :P


tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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Owen

First I'd like to say you need to be open and honest about what you are embarking on. Transitioning from mtf is a life altering event. You would need to be living as a female in every aspect before even considering srs. I am not for keeping secrects for long. I know I will have to tell my family about it sooner or later, sooner than later. They may not agree with me and may shune or scorn me but I know inside I will be accepted once it is done. There will be some adjusting to little things once transitioned. It may be hard at first and there will be some hurt but I think it's better to come out with it at least with family.

Secound I have to disagree  somewhat on women are treated like s..t. Yes women sometimes get badly treated but men get treated badly and worse just as much if not more. Because as male we are expected to perform to be macho and are talked and treated with rigidity. I never liked the tough rigid regeim that was forced on me most of my life. It's for this reason I am transitioning. Also because I like the easyer lifestyle that women enjoy.

owen

love being female

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Melissa

Quote from: Owen on September 15, 2006, 08:51:36 PM
Secound I have to disagree  somewhat on women are treated like s**t. Yes women sometimes get badly treated but men get treated badly and worse just as much if not more.
This is something that's very difficult to really understand until you live life as a woman for a while.  It's very subtle for the most part, but it is there.  It's men who are treating women that way.  Are you saying women are treating men worse?  It seems like they just do it to themselves.

Quote from: Owen on September 15, 2006, 08:51:36 PM
Also because I like the easyer lifestyle that women enjoy.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but living as a woman is hard work.  Look at getting ready for instance.  A man rolls out of be, showers quickly, combs through is hair and thows on some pants and a shirt.  A woman gets out of be and showers.  She shaves her armpits and legs if wearing something that shows leg.  Then she gets out and has to pick out an outfit from her large assortment of clothes, then put it on and put her make up on.  Then she has to do her hair so it looks good too.  I will tell you as a woman, it easily takes me a half hour longer each day to get ready.
Then we have the amount of housework, shopping, etc while wearing uncomfortable shoes.  A woman is constantly being judged by everyone and must act her best at all times.  A man goes to work, does his job, comes home and eats, then does whatever he wants.  The woman is always expected to be the responsible one ans show utmost courtesy most of the time and yet she is usually paid less to do the same job as a man.  A woman has to eat less and still work harder to maintain a healthy looking weight or else you have no good clothes that fit and people treat you worse when you're fat.  Then there's the added challenges of being TS.  Honey, if you're looking for an "easier lifestyle", then staying as a man would be preferrable.

Now that all being said, I find many small moments in life are the ones that make it worth being female.  Simple things like just having girl talk or wearing the right clothes or having somebody compliment you on an outfit.  The courtesies that people offer to make it just a little easier.  The smiles that women exchange with you just passing by.  Just smebody calling you ma'am or referring to you as "she".  The ability to play with other children without people thinking you're a pedophile.  The ability to touch somebody without them assuming you're making sexual advances toward them.  Having things paid for or somebody giving you a little "extra" all help contribute to making being a woman nice.  I think women tend to have more freedoms (which you alluded to for your first reason), but I would hardly say an easier lifestyle.

Personally I transitioned for several reasons.  I needed a female identity, I needed a female body, I needed the world to see me as female, I could not have any relationships as a man because I did not possess the instincts, I wanted female friends, etc.  It was just right for me.  My expectations of transition were fairly accurate.  Life is at least as good as I imagined it, if not better.  I will say none of my problems went away except 1 was reduced, and additional ones were created.  The 1 that was reduced was how I felt about my gender.  And you know what, so far it's been al worth it.

Whoops, little bit of a rant there.

Melissa
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Owen

Melissa I think I spoke a little to quick here especially about the secound part. I really don't have much of an idea of what it's really like to be a woman and treated like one. I have only gone out enfemme a few times and those few times I have been treated wonderfully so I think I got a more fantasy look as to being a woman. I understand men have been treating women badly for years. AS for being treated badly as a male I meant that I have been  looked upon as something of a machine that is I was always expeccted to perform and if I didn't perform exactly as told i was treated like a soda machine that doesnt give out product or eats the dollar it gets puched and kicked. I don't think I bring anything on myself. I am  very kind and caring and sensitive just as much as a woman.   As for the easy lifestyle I did not mean it to be any easyer than being male. I understand fully that it is not  easy being a woman and there are a lot of things a woman must do before going out. As well as house work and everthing else.

Also being that I live with my mom who needs me now that she is getting on in age I clean up the dishes and put everything away as well as housework like vacumming, dusting/. I also do the wash and I cook ocationally. So I have a taste of what it's like.




I need to indetify me as female because it is the way I have felt about myself for years. Only I had to comply and and act as male that I have with resonable results. I wouldnt give up on some things that I enjoyed as male as I have noticed that women are starting to get into these things too. I have many interists that I enjoy daily some  male oriented and some female oriented. I enjoy them imensily.

What I mean here is I just have a need to be with females and be friends. I am just learning how it is to be female and so far I like it. Clothes that are female give me a good feeling and look good on me to boot. I now have just as much female attire that I do male. I love putting on eyeliner, mascara, and lipgloss of various shades. I know to be a woman means having to give up a certain amount of pleasures I enjoyed as a male but I think it is worth it to me. 

I'm sorry I spoke out before thinking . It's not in my caracter to act out like this. I am always carful to read everything first before responing.

sorry this is long.  You have been an inspiration for me. You are a wish person I will look up to.  Thank you Melissa for burtsing my bubble. I promise not to shout my mouth. :-X

Best

Owen

Love being female ^-^
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umop ap!sdn

I've noticed that the men who look down women tend to be the same types who play macho peer pressure games with each other. Either way, they're not people whom I personally would spend my time socializing with so being myself takes priority.
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Owen

I quite agree Umop, Fortunatly I am not one of them.


owen

love being female
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umop ap!sdn

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Lorelei

My appearance did not give me away., my family did.  Oh! I didnt think you would mind if I told.  Its my business what I have between my legs and how it got their.  I have been married 33 years and my husband has never questioned my sexuality, nor should he  He married ME not genitalia.
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Lin

Quote from: Lorelei on September 23, 2007, 05:12:34 PM
... I have been married 33 years and my husband has never questioned my sexuality, nor should he  He married ME not genitalia...

So during the 33 years, you never need to do any dilation?
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tinkerbell

I know that this is an ancient thread but since someone brought it back to life, we might as well answer it, no?

Quote from: Rose Dawson on June 04, 2005, 06:14:43 AM
Why do we have to tell anyone (our lovers, employer, etc.) of our SRS?


Have?   Living stealth is a choice and so is to be out and proud.  No one HAS to do anything really.

Quote from: Rose Dawson on June 04, 2005, 06:14:43 AM

After SRS, we'll be a woman [or man!] in every sense of the word and no one will be the wiser - as such, why would we want to or possess the need to, inform anyone?

Again, disclosing your past to people is a very personal choice.  I personally chose not to tell anyone about my past, but that's me.  There are other transsexual people who, for a number of reasons, choose to be active in the TG community and hence their past lives are exposed.

Quote from: Rose Dawson on June 04, 2005, 06:14:43 AM

What risks are there in not disclosing our past? What risks are there in doing so?

It depends on a number of factors.  Society in general is not prepared to accept someone as a transsexual; the risks of coming out as TS for some of us are too great to be feasible.  Careers can be ruined, we can lose the respect of our peers, and of course there's always the safety issue. 


tink :icon_chick:
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Berliegh

I thought the idea of a gender change was to asume the required gender and live as that gender as well as humanly possible. Stealth is surely part of that? and who wants to go around saying 'by the way I'm a transsexual'....I certainly don't.........this forum is as far as I go as far as exposure. I'm not going to have a  'this is my transition website'  like so many others seem to want to do and broadcast thier whole life story....no thanks..
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Berliegh on September 30, 2007, 05:43:33 PM
I thought the idea of a gender change was to asume the required gender and live as that gender as well as humanly possible. Stealth is surely part of that? and who wants to go around saying 'by the way I'm a transsexual'....I certainly don't.........this forum is as far as I go as far as exposure. I'm not going to have a  'this is my transition website'  like so many others seem to want to do and broadcast thier whole life story....no thanks..

Well said, but again (and according to what I have read here from many people)  It would seem that this philosophy puts us (you, I and a few others) in the minority group, no?  ;)

tink :icon_chick:
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KarenLyn

Quote from: Tink on September 30, 2007, 05:52:23 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on September 30, 2007, 05:43:33 PM
I thought the idea of a gender change was to asume the required gender and live as that gender as well as humanly possible. Stealth is surely part of that? and who wants to go around saying 'by the way I'm a transsexual'....I certainly don't.........this forum is as far as I go as far as exposure. I'm not going to have a  'this is my transition website'  like so many others seem to want to do and broadcast thier whole life story....no thanks..

Well said, but again (and according to what I have read here from many people)  It would seem that this philosophy puts us (you, I and a few others) in the minority group, no?  ;)

tink :icon_chick:

I guess I'm another from the minority. Most of the people I know don't have any clue about my past. I don't see where it's any of their business how I started out in life.

Karen Lyn
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