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Heavy weight gain and tiredness

Started by fatalerror, July 18, 2014, 09:05:23 AM

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Quote from: Amadeus on August 09, 2014, 12:36:30 AM
Links or it didn't happen.   :laugh:

But seriously, I wish this worked for me.  I consume so much garlic, ginger, peppers of all sorts just about every day, and yet I'm still fifteen stone.
You got it.

Anti-obesity action of gingerol: effect on lipid profile, insulin, leptin, amylase and lipase in male obese rats induced by a high-fat diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24615565

Eight weeks of supplementation with a multi-ingredient weight loss product enhances body composition, reduces hip and waist girth, and increases energy levels in overweight men and women.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23601452

Comparative evaluation of the efficacy of ginger and orlistat on obesity management, pancreatic lipase and liver peroxisomal catalase enzyme in male albino rats.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23329526

Antiobese effects of capsaicin-chitosan microsphere (CCMS) in obese rats induced by high fat diet.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24479662

Could capsaicinoids help to support weight management? A systematic review and meta-analysis of energy intake data.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24246368

Improvement in insulin resistance and favourable changes in plasma inflammatory adipokines after weight loss associated with two months' consumption of a combination of bioactive food ingredients in overweight subjects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23271695

Combined medium-chain triglyceride and chilli feeding increases diet-induced thermogenesis in normal-weight humans.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23179202

Antiobesity effects of a sulfur compound thiacremonone mediated via down-regulation of serum triglyceride and glucose levels and lipid accumulation in the liver of db/db mice.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22228551

It's possible your dietary inclusion of these does have an effect. This sort of thing is only one factor.
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Amadeus

Sorry I've not responded sooner.  And I thank you for linking to all of these articles.  I've read through a couple already and they do look interesting.  Perhaps I'm not consuming enough ginger, garlic, or peppers.  My housemate and I will just have to have more.  If we ever get snogged again, it'll be a miracle.  Ha!
 
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Quote from: Amadeus on August 18, 2014, 12:52:46 AM
Sorry I've not responded sooner.  And I thank you for linking to all of these articles.  I've read through a couple already and they do look interesting.  Perhaps I'm not consuming enough ginger, garlic, or peppers.  My housemate and I will just have to have more.  If we ever get snogged again, it'll be a miracle.  Ha!
Don't sweat it, and you're welcome.
Haha, better chances of that if you're dating someone who also eats lots of spicy food. Hard to complain about someone having vampire-repellant breath when you do too.
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fatalerror

I've been keeping myself at 2-3 meals a day and under 1500 calories a day, and I'm still gaining weight. I'm eating mostly fruit and dark green vegetables with small amounts of fish and chicken, and some brown rice or whole wheat breads. Gonna get my blood checked next week...nothing seems to be working. Thanks for all the advice though.
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Taka

only limiting yourself to 1500 calories a day will never work if you're also working out.
you need lots of varied protein. make sure you eat fish, meat, eggs, beans, all kinds of things with protein. or buy some protein shake. your muscles will be screaming in pain if you only break them down but never give them anything to build themselves up again with.

you should give yourself regular one-day breaks from dieting. remind your body that a full day's worth of calories is easily available, to avoid going into starvation mode, and keep up a normal metabolism. everything will go slower if you only ever starve yourself, and you won't be losing any weight like that.

your body needs fat. your brain needs fat. 1/3 of your brain consists of omega-3 fat. or at least it's supposed to, so make sure you eat fish often. unless your diet already has the necessary amount of the very few vegetables that produce this particular type of fatty acids. nuts contain lots of fat, but you really need the fats that you get from fish and meat (or coconuts/shea) as well. cholesterol is necessary for your body to function properly, and it isn't damaging if you eat it in moderate amounts. it's only damaging if you get too much in your blood flow, and add some (probably sugar or wheat induced) inflammations to that. and, fish oils make your blood flow better, so if you just eat all the different types of fats... you should get pretty well balanced.

a norwegian study has found that people who drink whole fat milk are generally healthier than those who drink low fat milk. it probably has more to do with life style than amount of fat in the milk. those who drink whole milk also eat whole grain, fresh fish, meat from healthier animals, home grown or organic vegetables etc. and they run and walk more.

make sure you get enough vitamin d, it's a necessary hormone not only to your body, but also to your brain and moods. enough iron is necessary. found in beets, red cabbage, broccoli, spinach, liver, blood (that can be eaten too) etc. vitamin supplements are the easier way to make sure you get all that you need, but you really should learn how to get it all through your diet as well.

you actually need some salt in your diet, how else are you going to keep hydrated, when salt is what keeps the water in.

fruit juices should be avoided. some carrot and beet juice in a glass of water, will give you lots of necessary nutrients, and can keep you going for much longer than any fruit juices can. fruits should generally be avoided, berries and vegetables are the way to go.


anyway. if you try to diet, you should either have a really good knowledge of nutrition, or ask an expert for help. dieting the wrong way can make you really sick, and might not help you lose weight at all.
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Amadeus

Quote from: fatalerror on September 04, 2014, 09:11:12 AM
I've been keeping myself at 2-3 meals a day and under 1500 calories a day, and I'm still gaining weight. I'm eating mostly fruit and dark green vegetables with small amounts of fish and chicken, and some brown rice or whole wheat breads. Gonna get my blood checked next week...nothing seems to be working. Thanks for all the advice though.
It's been a little over two weeks.  Enquiring minds want to know how you're doing and if your blood work showed anything unusual.
 
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Whatshisname

I didn't read all the comments but it actually soundsle some blood sugar/ diabetes or PCOS symptoms? especially vision disturbances I have been monitored for diabetes for several years and they said that is one huge sign to look out for.
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Amadeus

Please keep us updated when you can.   :)
 
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Polo

I'm in year 2 of a 3 year dietetics program, and I have SO many questions. I'm not going to ask them all but:
What is your height, weight, age? You need to know your calorie reqs before you start messing with them.
If you're eating "mostly fruit" and whole grains you're giving your body a whole lot of carbohydrates and not a lot of anything else.
The minimum RDA is 50 grams of protein per day, which is about 8 ounces of meat (imagine a cup full). That's bare minimum for someone who does NO activity per day. A better rule of thumb is 0.8 grams per lb of bodyweight for someone who is active (even 1 gram per lb is fine).
If you don't consume enough protein, your body is going to start breaking down your muscles to feed your organ function. Weakness and fatigue are common symptoms of protein malnutrition.

I'd suggest getting bloodwork done to double check your thyroid hormones, inflammation markers, serum albumin/pre albumin, and a blood count to rule out an underlying condition, but a Registered Dietitian can help you from a nutrition standpoint. They're often covered under insurance if you get a doctor referral.

Doctors and nurses don't get much nutrition education so if your doctor is no help, ask for an expert.


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Amadeus

Quote from: Polo on October 05, 2014, 12:40:58 PMA better rule of thumb is 0.8 grams per lb of bodyweight for someone who is active (even 1 gram per lb is fine).
Yeah, I just multiplied 0.8 times my body weight and bricked a nice one.  172 grams of protein comes to 688 calories.  So if I'm eating 1200 calories a day [which, I think I'm allowed since I have a fairly sedentary lifestyle], then more than half is protein.  Does this mean I can fill half my plate with Babe and Wilbur?  Because I have no problem with that.
 
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Quote from: Amadeus on October 13, 2014, 09:46:54 PM
Yeah, I just multiplied 0.8 times my body weight and bricked a nice one.  172 grams of protein comes to 688 calories.  So if I'm eating 1200 calories a day [which, I think I'm allowed since I have a fairly sedentary lifestyle], then more than half is protein.  Does this mean I can fill half my plate with Babe and Wilbur?  Because I have no problem with that.
Note Polo said, a rule of thumb for someone who is active. More than half of a person's calories coming from protein is possibly a recipe for wicked constipation, amongst other things. Not a good idea.
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Gothic Dandy

(Hmm, you eat like me...)

I hope your doctor gave you another thyroid test. This doesn't sound like a food issue to me, more of a hormone issue. In fact, have you considered that your T dose may be too high for you?
Just a little faerie punk floating through this strange world of humans.
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Polo

Lol Babe and Wilbur...just as long as it isn't all BACON since that doesn't count as high in protein.  Not that I'm against a little bacon...  For someone who is sedentary, 70 to 100 grams per day is a better amount to aim for.  Protein won't give you constipation as long as you're drinking plenty of water or other low calorie beverage and eating 5+ servings of fruits and vegetables per day. But generally even people on a high-protein diet shouldn't be consuming more than half of their calories from protein, because they'll start being deficient in the other macros and micros. It's all a balancing act (much like the rest of life)

I agree with Gothic Dandy Luca though, more tests are necessary to make sure there's nothing crazy going on with hormones (including insulin) or inflammation or anemia issues.


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Amadeus

Quote from: Polo on October 15, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
Lol Babe and Wilbur...just as long as it isn't all BACON since that doesn't count as high in protein.  Not that I'm against a little bacon...
I was actually thinking bacon, pork loin, ham, minced pork, pork chops, spam and eggs, spam and onion, spam spam and spam...Scheiße.  Sorry.  Went into Monty Python mode.

And now I'm hungry.  And I just ate.
 
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LordKAT

Quote from: Amadeus on October 15, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
I was actually thinking bacon, pork loin, ham, minced pork, pork chops, spam and eggs, spam and onion, spam spam and spam...Scheiße.  Sorry.  Went into Monty Python mode.

And now I'm hungry.  And I just ate.

Here you go:

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Amadeus

 
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