Quote from: JessicaH on October 06, 2014, 02:47:15 AM
I may be wrong but doesn't Google crawl this site? If so, it could give others fodder to give Bruce Jenner grief.
I can see the TMZ headline now: "->-bleeped-<-s speculate if Jenner is one of them".

If TMZ scoops the story based on this thread I'd better get credit for being a contributor!

Honestly, I doubt this whimsical thread is going to make any kind of difference:

http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2014/bruce-jenner-transgender-operation-womens-clothing-underwear-spanx-kris-jenner-kylie-kendall-make-fun-of-dad/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2595732/Bruce-Jenner-wants-called-Bridgitte-seeking-advice-sex-change-coach.html

The fact is this is a public figure like it or not and they means there is a certain scrutiny on them. This is a concern for the community if it does turn out to be a transition here because it sends the message that being trans is something you should deny...just like a certain model was denying it. I understand career implications and it very well might turn out Bruce Jenner is just be a femme looking man and will end at that, but all of this stuff influences public perception of the trans community and does matter.

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 06, 2014, 01:37:39 AM
Nice work at missing my actual point..

Would a nice expose on Fox make you feel good? How about I plaster it across FB, TMZ or The Times? Tweets will also be forthcoming.

I don't care if Bruce Jenner is trans or not. What I do care about it is them being given the privacy we all deserve to make our decisions.

If I was to spread unfounded gossip about you, wouldn't you feel like I was doing the wrong thing?

Well then delete this whole sub-forum since discussing the possibility of someone being trans offends you. Sorry, but some people live in the public eye and cameras are there whenever they grab a bite to eat. If you're a reality telly star or part of that world of "famous for being famous" then everything you do is in the public eye. 90% of what these people do is calculated to make copy so if Bruce wanted privacy he could have it but he splashes his family drama on the news every week.

Too late on the gossip about me; I'm getting to the point where people are talking so I know what it's like, albeit on a smaller scale. But if I choose to put myself out there for public consumption than people are going to buy.

Quote from: Hikari on October 06, 2014, 08:51:07 AM
The fact is this is a public figure like it or not and they means there is a certain scrutiny on them. This is a concern for the community if it does turn out to be a transition here because it sends the message that being trans is something you should deny...just like a certain model was denying it. I understand career implications and it very well might turn out Bruce Jenner is just be a femme looking man and will end at that, but all of this stuff influences public perception of the trans community and does matter.

Thank you. This. ^ I may not be articulating myself very well before bed and after getting up but this is the point I was trying to make.

Actually, I'm pleased. Whenever a respected well-known person transitions it DOES reflect better on our community.

Remember, that a lot of people still see us as deviants whose chief talents are as sex workers and entertainers. Having an accomplished athlete come out as MtF will change some people's minds. That will help us as we fight for anti-discrimination policies that require voter support.

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 05, 2014, 10:43:54 PM
Who cares?

More to the point, how would any of you would like your possible transition being in the media? How many of you would enjoy the intense scrutiny? The questions? Just because someone is in the public eye does not mean they have given up all their rights to privacy. Leave him alone, no one deserves this.

And, frankly, I don't understand why so much of the trans community goes all gaga whenever there's a sniff that some 'famous' person might be/is trans..

I second that line of thought!

Quote from: Shantel on October 06, 2014, 10:18:03 AM
I second that line of thought!

Sorry But I can't agree. These people do everything they can to keep in the public eye and now they demand privacy. I call shenanigans. It's one or the other: have some dignity and stop attention whoring or expect to reap what you sow.

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 06, 2014, 09:57:13 AM
Actually, I'm pleased. Whenever a respected well-known person transitions it DOES reflect better on our community.

Remember, that a lot of people still see us as deviants whose chief talents are as sex workers and entertainers. Having an accomplished athlete come out as MtF will change some people's minds. That will help us as we fight for anti-discrimination policies that require voter support.

Thank you. Good point.

Quote from: Marcia on October 05, 2014, 09:25:14 PM
Looking at the pictures it looks like he is deep into a transition. Not just the long hair and trac. shave. I mean the big loose fitting shirt, the way the fat on his face has changed.
The way he his holding his cup.  But in the end it is upto him to come out. I think that if he wasn't in the spotlight so much he would have already come out. He only put off the trac. shave because it got reported where he was having it done.

I have no doubt myself. Look at the hips.

But who is this person anyway? I know Kim Kardashian, hell I've met and talked to Kim Kardashian, but I don't know this guy (woman?) Maybe because I don't watch the show.

Quote from: ImagineKate on October 06, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
I have no doubt myself. Look at the hips.

But who is this person anyway? I know Kim Kardashian, hell I've met and talked to Kim Kardashian, but I don't know this guy (woman?) Maybe because I don't watch the show.

Bruce Jenner was a 1976 gold medalist in the summer Olympics. But you may not be old like some of us...

Quote from: Wynternight on October 06, 2014, 10:49:57 AM
Sorry But I can't agree. These people do everything they can to keep in the public eye and now they demand privacy. I call shenanigans. It's one or the other: have some dignity and stop attention whoring or expect to reap what you sow.

Can I get an amen ?

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 06, 2014, 09:57:13 AM
Actually, I'm pleased. Whenever a respected well-known person transitions it DOES reflect better on our community.

Remember, that a lot of people still see us as deviants whose chief talents are as sex workers and entertainers. Having an accomplished athlete come out as MtF will change some people's minds. That will help us as we fight for anti-discrimination policies that require voter support.

Pshaw! An athlete? Next you'll want a famous one to have done it decades ago.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renée_Richards

Posted for those too young, and those who WERE really there for the 60's and don't remember anything before 1975.

Dee

"If you remember the 60's you weren't there."

Quote from: Jaime R D on October 05, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
very much this. I see people here doing what we fuss about when cis people do it.

Maybe because they and their family (the Kardashian) try everything to make people talk about them. Famous people don't get privacy. Especially THEM. Because they choose to be in this situation.

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 06, 2014, 09:57:13 AM
Actually, I'm pleased. Whenever a respected well-known person transitions it DOES reflect better on our community.

Remember, that a lot of people still see us as deviants whose chief talents are as sex workers and entertainers. Having an accomplished athlete come out as MtF will change some people's minds. That will help us as we fight for anti-discrimination policies that require voter support.

Very keen observation Suzi... I fully concur.... the more celbs or public personalities that transition the better for us

Leave it to Faux News to act with dignity. The front page has this article with the link saying: "Bruce Looks Like a Lady."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/10/06/bruce-jenner-long-hair-at-elton-john-concert/?intcmp=obmod_ffo&intcmp=obnetwork

Quote from: Jaime R D on October 06, 2014, 01:01:25 PM
Bruce Jenner was a 1976 gold medalist in the summer Olympics. But you may not be old like some of us...

I was born in 1978. More than likely it has to do with the fact that I was raised outside the US that I didn't pay much attention to US athletes and so many of them get gold medals that it's really no big deal, compared to someone from a small country winning ONE gold medal in 20 years being a national hero who everyone bows down to and worships and knows his/her name.

Also, if he's part of that family (the Kardashians) I'm quite surprised I haven't met him. I meet and greet a lot of celebrities and I have met the Kardashians on more than one occasion. 

Quote from: Wynternight on October 06, 2014, 09:25:52 PM
Leave it to Faux News to act with dignity. The front page has this article with the link saying: "Bruce Looks Like a Lady."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/10/06/bruce-jenner-long-hair-at-elton-john-concert/?intcmp=obmod_ffo&intcmp=obnetwork

Same as this:

http://www.etonline.com/news/152091_bruce_jenner_shows_off_long_locks_at_elton_john_concert/index.html

Quote from: Emily29 on October 06, 2014, 06:13:25 PM
Maybe because they and their family (the Kardashian) try everything to make people talk about them. Famous people don't get privacy. Especially THEM. Because they choose to be in this situation.

That's true. Their whole claim to fame is gossip.

Quote from: ImagineKate on October 07, 2014, 10:31:39 AM
I was born in 1978. More than likely it has to do with the fact that I was raised outside the US that I didn't pay much attention to US athletes and so many of them get gold medals that it's really no big deal, compared to someone from a small country winning ONE gold medal in 20 years being a national hero who everyone bows down to and worships and knows his/her name.

Also, if he's part of that family (the Kardashians) I'm quite surprised I haven't met him. I meet and greet a lot of celebrities and I have met the Kardashians on more than one occasion.

Actually it's another weird thing about the Olympics, he won the decathlon in 1976 setting a new world record for the sport.  Unlike sports such as swimming, gymnastics, etc. there's only one medal for the decathlon even though they compete in 10 different activities.  Winning the decathlon is one of the premier medals of the Olympics. 

With that said, I think the Olympics is pretty much a circus.  But anyway he at least earned his fame, unlike the Kardashians.

Just my two cents. Take care
Paige

Well, shows how little I know about sports anyway!