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How do you feel about a bathroom with a sign saying transgender on it and it...

Started by Shana-chan, October 09, 2014, 03:59:45 PM

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also having a picture of what looks like a fusion of the common male and female figure picture that's on the sign to indicate if it's the men or women's restroom? Before you answer, please answer truthfully, how would it make you feel and if you aren't trans please say so. Lastly, how would you feel if this was used in all public places as well as how would you feel if this was used at your gender therapist's building where you're getting therapy done? How would you also feel if they told you it's to say and show they support and accept trans people?

Please answer each of these questions as while they're similar to each other, they're different in some way and thus deserve to be answered separately. Thank you if you chose to answer any/all (especially all) of this. Rest assured, I too will answer these questions (All of them) after some time has passed and others have had a chance to say how they would feel. (As I don't want my answers to cause any favoring towards how one might feel)

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How would you feel if ALL the restrooms in the gender therapist's building had that sign and word transgender on it and them saying it's to show and say they accept trans people? Now again, how would you feel if all restrooms in public had this sign/name, and yes this means no unisex, or male, or female or any other restroom besides this one, so, how would you feel?
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Sarah Louise

I would be insulted and would never use it. 

They already have bathrooms with both genders on it, so anyone can use it (binary or non-binary).
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Dianne

 Very insulting sign. I wouldn't even acknowledge it. Surely you are not being serious are you ?.
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How do you feel about a bathroom with a sign saying transgender on it?
To be honest, society is segregated enough as it is imho.  We should be trying to bring people together, not split them apart more.  I'd much rather see unisex toilets - to be honest I've never really seen the purpose of having separate male and female toilets.  Just do away with the whole "male urinal" thing and have a bunch of cubicles (male toilets have those anyway so what's the difference?).  I've been to a few places over the years (including our local LGBT night club) that have unisex toilets and they work perfectly fine.  Like I said having male and female toilets seems a bit pointless to me, so adding a third one to the mix seems kinda like the going in the wrong direction to me :)

..also having a picture of what looks like a fusion of the common male and female figure picture that's on the sign to indicate if it's the men or women's restroom?
Again, this already exists on unisex toilets:


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I don't see why not, but again why have another separate one when you can have a combined one instead? :)


How would you feel if this was used in all public places as well as how would you feel if this was used at your gender therapist's building where you're getting therapy done?
Again, separate - no.  Combined - yes.

How would you also feel if they told you it's to say and show they support and accept trans people?
It's a nice thought and I see where you're coming from, but think of what would happen when the average joe on the street sees you walk in there - that simple act would be confirmation that you're trans* would it not?  I mean, why would you go in there if you weren't trans*?  That'd be particularly problematic for anyone trying to be stealth.  Once again, why segregate people when we should be trying to bring everyone together?  A gender-blind society doesn't need separate bathrooms for men and women, non-binaries or trans* folk ;) ♥︎
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Pikachu

If I walked up to the bathrooms and saw that, I would roll my eyes and walk right past it into the women's.

If this was implemented on any sort of wide scale, I would feel disgusted.

If they had this in my therapist's building, I would very angrily tell my therapist why this isn't supportive and then find a new therapist ASAP.
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Edge

I agree with the others. I would be insulted by it and keep using the regular bathrooms like a regular person because I am a regular person and insist on being treated as such.
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makipu

I wouldn't be bothered with it and wouldn't question it honestly because I see the two separate figures as a typical symbol of men and women (ex.women MUST be=dress) that I don't agree with in the first place. And I actually kind of like that fusion figure because one can be both without falling into the box of "male" or "female".
I would prefer to go into mens but I would probably check out the new fused bathroom as well.
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perrystephens

Like others have said I don't see why we need that when there are unisex restrooms popping up all over the place. I would understand that the owner's heart was in the right place, trying to create a place for non-cis people to feel welcome, but that owner probably cares little enough about the community that they didn't bother to do a little research. Most trans* people will tell you that the best way to include them and make them feel comfortable using a public restroom is by including a family restroom that anyone can use. I'm not saying people should do away with restrooms that are specifically for people who identify as male or female as that is what most cis people are used to, but if someone is going to add a third option, they should make it one that includes everyone. I've had days where I don't know which restroom to use because I don't know how well I pass that day an the point of a separate restroom is mainly so we don't have to worry about people thinking we're "different" and walking into a restroom that is specifically for trans people is like placing a large neon sign over your head saying "I'm different". But then again, the way you're describing it, it sounds more like people would use it as a unisex restroom and not even realize it is meant specifically for trans people. But in that case they should just call it unisex.

Also in reply to the other question I forgot to answer, I'm not in therapy currently, but if I was, and that was what my therapist told me, I would probably find a therapist who better understands my community, not because I'm angry at the therapist but because I won't be able to get the help I need from someone who cannot empathize with what I'm going through.
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Mariah

I hate the idea and concept of trying to separate us off like that. It's an insult and I would, like others have already mentioned, walk right past into the women's bathroom without even thinking twice about it. Forcing people into separate bathrooms all for the sake of some people who can't handle it out there is wrong. It only adds to the problem and doesn't diminish it at all.
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Declan.

Not only would I be insulted by it, but it could lead to harassment or worse as it would immediately out anyone who uses it.

I like the idea from the recent "Cissy" episode of South Park: "Anyone who has a problem with sharing a bathroom with people who might be transgender will have to use the special designated bathroom designed to keep them away from the normal people who don't care."
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suzifrommd

I once listened to a talked by a cisgender woman who claimed we needed more unisex restrooms because "trans people would be more comfortable". When I disputed that, she argued vehemently that trans people needed a safe place to go to the bathroom and that this would make them more comfortable.

Not sure whether she knew I was trans, but it's a pretty good bet since this was a transgender conference.
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BreezyB

I wouldn't use a trans bathroom at all. It reminds me of the episode of Glee which had the transgender student trying to decide which gender bathroom to use. The principle dumps a "trans" toilet in the middle of the gym for her to use. So thoughtful, NOT!
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Jill F

Maybe instead I should just wear a flashing neon sign that says "I'm a transsexual. Please feel free to harass me over it."

I think it's OK if all available restrooms for everyone are gender neutral, but I refuse to use a "special" restroom in a public place.  I really don't feel that there is any upside to segregating gender variant people this way. 

Suck it, haters.  I'm in the ladies' room whether you like it or not.  I have a right to use it and you don't have the right to exclude me from using it nor to harass me while I'm in there.
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peky

add another "no way in hell I would use it," would rather the gents bathroom !
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Myarkstir

I find the concept extrenely insulting as it would be plainly discriminatory.
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makipu

Sorry, I missed the title's description. If it was actually saying the word 'transgender' I wouldn't use it either but I was just referring to the logo.
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Tysilio

Unisex bathrooms are great. Segregated bathrooms, not so much. Anyone remember those "Colored Only" signs??

This is a really bad idea.
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Quote from: Shana-chan on October 09, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
also having a picture of what looks like a fusion of the common male and female figure picture that's on the sign to indicate if it's the men or women's restroom? Before you answer, please answer truthfully, how would it make you feel and if you aren't trans please say so. Lastly, how would you feel if this was used in all public places as well as how would you feel if this was used at your gender therapist's building where you're getting therapy done? How would you also feel if they told you it's to say and show they support and accept trans people?

Please answer each of these questions as while they're similar to each other, they're different in some way and thus deserve to be answered separately. Thank you if you chose to answer any/all (especially all) of this. Rest assured, I too will answer these questions (All of them) after some time has passed and others have had a chance to say how they would feel. (As I don't want my answers to cause any favoring towards how one might feel)



I wouldn't want this to be public everywhere.  I'd rather use the women's restroom.  If it is in my gender therapist's office then I wouldn't care considering how she's in another state and I do online therapy with her.  It would be weird of she had that and I guess I'd be okay with it, but like I said, it wouldn't concern me.

Then again, if I REALLY had to pee or take a crap, then I'd try to find the closest bathroom available.  If that bathroom is it and I can't make it a few feet further so I won't mess up my pants and underwear then fine.  I'd be terrified to be outed like that, but on the same foot, I can easily see a little cis boy or girl having to pee or crap so bad that they run into that bathroom.  I say lets just keep it unisex though.
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