Quote from: onescaredquestion on October 22, 2014, 07:05:51 PM
Edge: of course not. He's a man working a female job.  You seem to be agreeing that men shouldn't work female jobs by trying to remove the gender from the occupation. Is it that shameful for a man to work in a female job? You tell me.

Heck no! It's NOT a female job. It's just a job that anyone of any gender can have.
I repeat: I am violently opposed to gender roles.

Quote from: Edge on October 22, 2014, 07:26:55 PM
Heck no! It's NOT a female job. It's just a job that anyone of any gender can have.
I repeat: I am violently opposed to gender roles.

I'm violently opposed to removing them/not abiding by them. It's dishonest. I doing think we should talk to each other. (I hate conflict)

I vehemently believe being in the umbrella of L and G and B and T. During the past year, I've personally met more trans and bi and gay and androgenous people than I've ever met in years past. We do share a struggle, and listening to some stories from some folks, I think being part of a bigger picture can only help our trans cause. I don't believe it has anything to do with "sex", as you don't have to have sex to know you're gay or bi or trans from an early age.

lgbt is a dysfunctional umbrella. still not one i'd want to rip apart quite yet though.

i'm wondering about why we're still calling ourselves "trans*".
gay men call themselves gay because it's much more fun to be gay that the rather medical term "homosexual".
lesbian women call themselves lesbian because they aren't men. identifying as gay really was problematic for many in the past.
bi- and pansexual people are discriminated against by most monosexual people. hetero- or homosexual doesn't make a difference, or maybe the hetero or nicer.
transgender people are a whole bunch of people who often don't have anything in common at all, except... well, i can't formulate one single exception, so it really does seem we don't have any one single trait in common.

lgbt is way more than four groups, there may even be over a hundred, or a thousand different identities.
and there's internal strife and discrimination. going in all possible directions, though the fewer there are in a subgroup, the more easy they are to discriminate against.

the umbrella shall still not be ripped apart.
instead we should realize and accept the vast diversity, and recognize each other's right to exist.
then we can support each other's fights for basic human rights, as well as civil rights and other causes that will improve people's quality of life.

Quote from: onescaredquestion on October 22, 2014, 08:05:25 PM
I'm violently opposed to removing them/not abiding by them. It's dishonest. I doing think we should talk to each other. (I hate conflict)

i expressively refuse to abide by any gender roles. it would be dishonest of me to pretend i'm a gender that i am not.
but, i do support your individual right to take on any gender role you want.
i also do not believe that abolishing gender roles will make frilly feminine clothing disappear. it will only allow more men to wear them if they want to.
(cooking is a male profession by the way, as are cleaning and working at a cafe. waitress is decidedly female though, for grammar reasons)

I feel like by arguing about this subject we are abjectly proving what the OP was trying to say: We can't get along, can we?  This is the problem, right here: Instead of getting under one banner, trying to make things better for one another, we spend our time arguing.  I'm as guilty of it as anyone else.  But...ohhh dear.  We are royally screwed, aren't we?

i was never screwed by royalty.

this discussion only shows our diversity and very different needs.
diversity does not mean that we can't gather for one specific cause.

the umbrella is still useful when it's needed.
i'm convinced that most people here would stand up for my rights just the same as i would stand up for theirs.

Quote from: Edge on October 22, 2014, 07:26:55 PM
Heck no! It's NOT a female job. It's just a job that anyone of any gender can have.
I repeat: I am violently opposed to gender roles.

Quote from: onescaredquestion on October 22, 2014, 08:05:25 PM
I'm violently opposed to removing them/not abiding by them. It's dishonest. I doing think we should talk to each other. (I hate conflict)

There are more than two sides to this, you know.

I'm "violently" opposed to coercing people into abiding by gender roles (or any other roles, other than the role of "decent human being.")

But if someone is happy conforming to some role, in whole or in part (and they're not hurting anyone), who am I to tell them they're wrong?  Just as long as they don't demand that I do likewise.  It's the "you have to live your life in a way that fits my preconceptions so I won't have to suffer the pain of being aware of alternatives" attitude that I mind.

I never once said I have a problem with people living the way they want to. I just have a problem with saying they're living that way because they're male or female. To use the day care example, someone of any gender should be able to work a day care if they want to and are qualified.
Don't put words in my mouth.

i know a guy who's currently really happy working at the local nursing home.
i, being much more of a woman than he will ever be, can't imagine ever working in a place like that.
i don't even change baby diapers unless i have to.
female job? i think not.

Thank you all this is my first post I'm this community and I love all the things we are saying here all I know is I want to not be afraid to go out of my own house for fear of discrimination and I want to help I'm the fight as long as we are hated for being different we are all the same and we all need to hold hands be unified and face down the haters on the playground as a unified group