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Started by Ms Bev, October 31, 2011, 11:07:18 PM

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LordKAT

Hmm, a pay downgrade but insurance that actually covers stuff. I may have to check this out after January as all insurances seem to be raising deductible amounts.
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michelle666

Does anyone know about the Massachusetts ConnectorCare plans? I got approved for the subsidized Type 3a plan and am having problems finding a detailed summary of the plans. The choices they gave me are;

BMC Healthnet Plan - BMCHP ConnectorCare 3
Network Health - Network Health Direct ConnectorCare 3
Neighborhood Health Plan - NHP Prime HMO ConnectorCare 3 15/22
CeltiCare - CeltiCare ConnectorCare 3
Minuteman - MyDoc SilverCare 3

The only thing that I could find was that Network Health doesn't cover surgery. I'm expecting that from them all. Just wondering about therapy, prescriptions and endo visits, all that fun stuff.
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Dee

I'm also curious about coverage through Mass. Connector plans.  I'd also like to clarify on the list from page 2, that at least BCBS/MA does NOT necessarily cover surgeries, only if it's through a group policy.  I have an individual BCBS/MA policy, and it specifically does not cover surgery.  AETNA is the same too, I believe, and likely also other insurers follow similar models.

And just to throw it out there, any ideas what precedent the Kosilek ruling means for MA residents insured through state plans?
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JackieMarie

IDK about MASS as i moved from there a long time ago now, but I have been working with an agent here in GA and at the moment it would appear that most plans will say they exclude any surgeries and in some cases hormones. It is our understanding that if you gather paperwork showing this is medically necessary and submit it to them, it can be granted. Not sure why this is still an issue for us considering preexisting conditions are wiped out, you don't have to be a policy holder for a certain amount of time, etc. I wish they would just cut down on exclusions already. I am gathering paperwork from therapists and my endo and GP and we (agent and I) are going to submit it and see what we can get done. If it fails we will try something else he says. I will let everyone know if this works out. I certainly hope it does!
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Sheala

does any one know of any insurance that covers GCS in PA. I currently have UPMC health plan. and after a theral search, havent called, i have found a little section that has exclusions.... GCS is on the list. so i may be on the hunt for new insurance besides what is offered by my employer.
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teeg

So these are a few things I've found out so far from annoying insurance providers for a little bit concerning GRS coverage I wanted to share...

Please remember that at the end of the day all of these insurance companies are just that, 'companies.' With the right case worker on your side and good dialog between you and the company, a lot of things are possible, especially in this case where it's obvious GRS certainly isn't cosmetic and most people know it's medically necessary. Most companies that I've looked into cover it in some form or another but only after certain criteria are met or proven like documentation from mental health professionals outlining their agreement to the validity of the patient's diagnosis.

For every diagnosis from a sore throat to knee pain to GRS, there's a code doctors and hospital billing offices use - these are called CPT codes, ICD-9 codes, etc. A good thing to do is call your insurance company and ask them for their, "exclusion list" that lists which conditions are covered or not. Once you find that GRS is not excluded you can go from there.

The most important thing is creating a dialog between you and your company before your surgery. I work in a hospital dealing with a lot of this every day and there's been so many instances of insurance providers denying coverage simply because they weren't notified or per-certified before the patient came in. Keep a diary of your interactions with your insurance provider. Write down who you spoke with, when, what they said, and ideas and stuff you have about solidifying your coverage. I write things like, "spoke with (name) and they talked about an exception to reimbursement percentage limits." There's been many times an insurance company has told me that they don't require per-authorization for so and so patient, then they later say they do, but I remind them of the name of their employee who said otherwise, and they then honor their mistake simply because I had that information. It's hard how ever to get a confirmation of how much they'll cover before your surgery. This is something I'm personally trying to do as I don't want to pay out of pocket for the whole thing, only to then have a small amount reimbursed.

I may be mistaken, but I don't believe there are any GRS surgeons who directly accept insurance. They only offer assistance in helping you with obtaining reimbursement from your insurance provider, and rightly so to cover themselves with such a variance in coverage or non-coverage between so many companies that patients could potentially have.

Where this creates confusion for insurance providers however is like someone mentioned above companies like to keep their customers within their network of approved healthcare providers. Like I've explained to my insurance provider, as none of the surgeons really accept their coverage, there theoretically then is NO network. And then, while they might say they do cover GRS, they actually can't directly cover it so it would then have to be through reimbursement. This then opens a can of worms of certain rules pertaining to reimbursements. Usually a reimbursement occurs when a patient visits an out of network physician, and then only a certain percentage is covered. However, like mentioned above with there being no network to work with, this then can become an exception to that rule and any other company specific guidelines they may have pertaining to reimbursements.

One thing to keep in mind though is that every company has different tiers of plans that then yield a certain amount of coverage for any kind of surgeries or inpatient visits. This might then create a problem where even though the company might agree to cover it through reimbursement, they might only cover whatever your plan normally allows. My plan covers 100% of any surgery costs no matter the cost once my deductible is met, but certain plans only cover 80% leaving the patient to cover the other 20% out of pocket, and so on. So as much as you want to watch if it'll be covered, you also want to see HOW it will be covered...

Hope this helps!
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veritatemfurto

Quote from: teeg on February 22, 2014, 11:20:43 AM
I may be mistaken, but I don't believe there are any GRS surgeons who directly accept insurance. They only offer assistance in helping you with obtaining reimbursement from your insurance provider, and rightly so to cover themselves with such a variance in coverage or non-coverage between so many companies that patients could potentially have.

Dr Bowers is part of several insurance networks that do have coverage for GRS. with my cigna hmo plan through disney it will cover it in full directly without any deductible or reimbursement. with that, I have to wait at least 45 days to be pre-authorized before i can buy a date for my GRS. but there is the catch: after at least 5 years of transitioning and paying for GRS out of pocket, I could go with just one letter. but with insurance, I need to have two letters regardless- one of those two issued within a year of the surgery date, and both preferably within 5 years of that same date... IOW, if you can afford it, pay out of pocket- but for many of us, thats just not an option on minimum wage jobs.
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Jenna Marie

Dr. Rumer also takes insurance directly and is in-network for at least some Blue Cross plans. (Didn't use her myself, but I have several friends who did.)
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Shana-chan

Quote from: JackieMarie on January 24, 2014, 10:54:28 PM
IDK about MASS as i moved from there a long time ago now, but I have been working with an agent here in GA and at the moment it would appear that most plans will say they exclude any surgeries and in some cases hormones. It is our understanding that if you gather paperwork showing this is medically necessary and submit it to them, it can be granted. Not sure why this is still an issue for us considering preexisting conditions are wiped out, you don't have to be a policy holder for a certain amount of time, etc. I wish they would just cut down on exclusions already. I am gathering paperwork from therapists and my endo and GP and we (agent and I) are going to submit it and see what we can get done. If it fails we will try something else he says. I will let everyone know if this works out. I certainly hope it does!
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Azahara

Just an update for us Maryland trans folk: State of Maryland employee insurance plans are now required to cover all different forms of gender reassignment procedures as well as HRT!  This also extends to spouses and dependants of said state employees under these plans, and at least for my insurance if the provider is in network there is no deductible and the surgeries are simply covered.  :)  Of course they require 1 year on hormones, medical and psychological letters of recommendation, etc. etc. but I´m still so excited that I could have my vagina 18 months from now... O, O

http://freestatelegal.org/victory-maryland-to-provide-nondiscriminatory-health-coverage-for-transgender-employees/

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Dee

Yeah Maryland! Also, I'll add that Massachusetts now includes transgender-related coverage (including GCS) as part of their lower income MassHealth plans:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/06/20/state-cover-gender-reassignment-surgery-and-hormone-treatment-for-transgender-patients/a9OPrvqdUPmRoiAQugVwEO/story.html
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An iron fisted champion,"
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Dandy Dunker

What if you are younger than 18 with your parents concent
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Wynternight

Quote from: Dandy Dunker on November 02, 2014, 09:09:37 AM
What if you are younger than 18 with your parents concent

Reputable surgeons are very hesitant to do GRS on minors, regardless of parental consent. It's so far fairly rare for anyone under 18 to have the surgery.
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HRT- 31 August, 2014
FT - 7 Sep, 2016
VFS- 19 October, 2016
FFS/BA - 28 Feb, 2018
SRS - 31 Oct 2018
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michelle666

Does anyone know which surgeons in the US accept insurance? I finally have a plan that covers it and I wanted to go to McGinn, but she doesn't participate in any plans. They do help with getting the reimbursement from the insurance after surgery, but the whole problem is coming up with almost 20k in cash.
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Wynternight

Quote from: michelle666 on November 19, 2014, 01:44:33 PM
Does anyone know which surgeons in the US accept insurance? I finally have a plan that covers it and I wanted to go to McGinn, but she doesn't participate in any plans. They do help with getting the reimbursement from the insurance after surgery, but the whole problem is coming up with almost 20k in cash.

Of the several US doctors that I've contacted the only one that bills insurance is Bowers and, per her office staff, they attempt to bill as in-network.
Stooping down, dipping my wings, I came into the darkly-splendid abodes. There, in that formless abyss was I made a partaker of the Mysteries Averse. LIBER CORDIS CINCTI SERPENTE-11;4

HRT- 31 August, 2014
FT - 7 Sep, 2016
VFS- 19 October, 2016
FFS/BA - 28 Feb, 2018
SRS - 31 Oct 2018
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Kamiki

Quote from: michelle666 on November 19, 2014, 01:44:33 PM
Does anyone know which surgeons in the US accept insurance? I finally have a plan that covers it and I wanted to go to McGinn, but she doesn't participate in any plans. They do help with getting the reimbursement from the insurance after surgery, but the whole problem is coming up with almost 20k in cash.

Bowers, Meltzer, and Rumer all are on various health plan networks.

Kami
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michelle666

Quote from: Wynternight on November 19, 2014, 02:31:25 PM
Of the several US doctors that I've contacted the only one that bills insurance is Bowers and, per her office staff, they attempt to bill as in-network.

I would love to have Bowers do mine. I thought it would be restrictive with her being on the opposite side of the country, but if they can somehow bill it in-network, that would make things so much easier to handle.
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Kamiki

Quote from: Wynternight on November 19, 2014, 02:31:25 PM
Of the several US doctors that I've contacted the only one that bills insurance is Bowers and, per her office staff, they attempt to bill as in-network.

My old insurance demanded it be done by Meltzer. Literally he was the only one who they would cover, for breasts, or grs. (small insurance plan before the Health Care Act).

I know of two girls who had insurance with Rumer.

Bowers is listed as in network through Premera plans at the very least, visiting the Premera site and searching for in network providers helped me a ton. Premera for instance only lists Bowers. - https://healthsearch.eproviderdirectory.com/Results?PlanId=premera&ProductId=premerawa&BrandingId=premera&DirectoryType=provider&NetworkID=ALL&QSCorrected=Y234JU&Prefix=AGL&Accordion=1&Distance=10000&Zip=94010&SearchTerm=Marci%20Bowers

I cannot find an entry for Toby Meltzer or Kathy Rumer for Premera.

Other than those three and the fact McGinn does not do insurance but rather tries to get you reimbursed is about all I know for NA and insurance, hope that helps at all.

Kami
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michelle666

Another question regarding insurance. I live in Massachusetts and surprisingly for a state that made it law that insurance companies have to cover trans related care, there are no surgeons here. If there isnt a surgeon in my network do I still get charged out of network rates?
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Kamiki

Quote from: michelle666 on November 20, 2014, 02:46:27 PM
Another question regarding insurance. I live in Massachusetts and surprisingly for a state that made it law that insurance companies have to cover trans related care, there are no surgeons here. If there isnt a surgeon in my network do I still get charged out of network rates?

That is something I have no clue about and is a question I myself as a Washington resident, where a similar law was passed am also curious about.

Kami
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