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Started by asiangurliee, October 09, 2007, 09:07:54 AM

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danielle_l

cindy-

hi, i can really relate to your story, when you talk about the getting used to being a woman, the initial difficulties, and the distance with which men treat you initially. Once you have a big wardrobe full of clothes that reflect your mood that day, things get easier dont they! :)

i don't think anyone has ever stared at me like i was from alpha centaurai, but maybe from planet neptune haha.. i have certainly felt uncomfortable at times,

i felt like being a social worker for along time too like you, i think that i come across as being a hard bitch on internet forums, but i think really im quite a caring person. I think alot of transwoman are like you, and me in that way. We feel, were others, might act.

that said, I decided i was ultimately too pig headed and up my own bum to be a social worker and so i became a teacher instead!

with teaching, once people realise you are a capable teacher, they dont even notice what clothes you wear, nor do they care. They are their to learn spanish, and im there to teach them. My gender, is not relevant to them.

sometimes other transpeople don't like what i say and sometimes they get offended, but i am talking from my experience. I always say what i think, with me you get no bull->-bleeped-<-. Thats something i always admire about my friend berleigh too - theres no bull->-bleeped-<- from her either. We don't always agree but its so important for us all to understand the situation we find ourselves in.

what i said before, is also aimed to be help to any other transwoman who is a bit down in confidence, or feels sometimes like they just can't compete, or that other people's opinion of them is more important than their own opionion of themselves.. Thats how i have felt alot in my life..

always remember, if they call you a man, or he, or whatever... always remember.. THEY ARE WRONG. There's no need to be nasty to them, or fight against them.. they are just wrong. Its them who are mistaken, not you. Its so easy to let other people decide for you who you are, but the trick, is not to let them?

The ones who treat you as a woman, are right. They are the ones who understand gender properly, which is why i think melissa90 totally and utterly misunderstands what i am saying..

women treat me as a woman, so, ultimately they are the ones who understand gender better. Mellissa thinks thats an insult to women? Strange idea you got there mellisa  ;) Men think they see a man, so i call them observant.. perhaps i used the wrong word. Maybe, mistakenly observant would better describe them..

anyway, Thats the mentality i have at the moment, and its helped me alot, and given me alot of confidence in myself and my own identity.




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cindybc

Hi  fruity
Well I still have the odd person stand there and google at me and that use to annoy me, Did I have a sign on my butt saying, "kick me?" Then I figured out what it was. I remember way back, as far as I can remember from childhood on up I remember people stared at me. "I attract people!" and this may not be good for me either since I have a crowd phobia. Kids specially and animals as well I love, the innocents you know. I don't know what it is that attracts them but I don't mind so much anymore. I am an animal whisperer, and a child lover. Espeicially little kids who will stand right in-front of me staring me right in the eye balls, So I kind of enjoy the attention, "SOMEONE CALL THE NATIONAL INQUIERER!!!"

Anyway this is the way I deal with people, a little humor, it can go a long ways in making people feel comfortable around me. I did have a rough time though after I was retired from work. I felt lonely lost and very emotional. For a time I retreated from society, hiding out in my apartment. All I can say is that this is not a healthy thing to do for a post opp and for a person that is quite active like I am, or use to be. You hide for to long you begin to loose your confidence with people and, hells bells!" you also begin to loose touch with reality. Going out again is almost like starting over again.

Thanks to my soul mate, she's an angel, I really don't know how I would have made out without her. Since I have arrived here in Vancouver I have started three meetup groups and I run two yahoo groups and have applied to work as a support worker with..... yep, you guessed it, for gender dysphoric.   

I just need to be occupied this was also the reason I came back here as well. Funny thing I never had anyone address me in any other gender then the one I present and it certainly is not because I'm a anywhere passable as a beauty queen either. Hang my picture on the door outside keeps the rats away.  ;D maybe it my personality huh? Think so?  Honestly though I just say what I feel is a appropriate to which ever poster. The worst that happens sometimes is I don't get any response, but that don't matter, maybe they need to go consult an encyclopedia or something.

I have never had any problems making friends with GG's either, with any body actually even the guys. But yes women seem to be more understanding, and much more ready to accepting you into their fold.

Cindy
           
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melissa90299

Quote from: cindybc on October 15, 2007, 09:54:57 AM
Hi  fruity
Well I still have the odd person stand there and google... me...
           

How do they do that without knowing your name?
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cindybc

Hi Melissa

Well it wouldn't be hard to track me down on google if the person just knows my first name, My name shows up all over the web from Canada to China  to Timbuktu and Kokomo Island and Hanalee and Puff the Magic dragon is my pet and I'll fly back on his back.

Cindy
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Rachael

Quote from: cindybc on October 15, 2007, 09:54:57 AM
But yes women seem to be more understanding, and much more ready to accepting you into their fold.


Unless they attend the wymyn's michigan music festival ;)
and dont judge too readily, men can be as 'accepting' too...
R :police:
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cindybc

You may be right, but from my experience, I find that I certainly have way more women friends then guys. I got nothing against guys I just don't have all that much in common with them. I am not going to take a census to find out who accepts who or how many get a big foot print from a size 12  army boot imprinted on the back of their pants. You only die once and you only live once, so strike a happy medium and maybe you'll get overlooked by the grim reaper and live forever. Either way you win, or loose, depends on the way you perceive it.

Having guts like a six stomached cow from planet Zangi."  and the balls I had before the surgery, the the survival instincts a Martian cockroach whose main dietary source is  eating house guests..


Please disregard message above. It will self destruct in fifteen seconds

Cindy
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Rachael

i hate to say this, but your a woman, women have more female friends... men usually just want one thing...
now while i have lots of male friends (im fairly tomboyish and in a sport i play girls are underreprestented) i have MANY more female friends, and my female friends are closer, why? its how girls are. We express emotion through personal intimacy, a light touch, a hug, sharing personal space to reinforce our boundaries. I will say things to my girlfriends that i wont say to guy friends or even a bf. Society is just the way that females are closer than males socially.
R :police:
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kalt

So...
Yesterday, I had done an electric razor shave(leaves some stubble which means it's not as bad as shaving, as far as ti growing back thicker).
I got mistaken for a mam, sitting down for an interview.

Today I put on a little bit of eye makeup, did whatever the heck I could with my hair(considering it's like, half an inch or something), and took a few pics:p

Amazingly, it came out alright.

So, do I pass?





Posted on: October 16, 2007, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: Rachael on October 16, 2007, 10:03:55 AM
i hate to say this, but your a woman, women have more female friends... men usually just want one thing...
now while i have lots of male friends (im fairly tomboyish and in a sport i play girls are underreprestented) i have MANY more female friends, and my female friends are closer, why? its how girls are. We express emotion through personal intimacy, a light touch, a hug, sharing personal space to reinforce our boundaries. I will say things to my girlfriends that i wont say to guy friends or even a bf. Society is just the way that females are closer than males socially.
R :police:
Funny, when I was transitioned I had more male friends, nwo I have more female... weird.
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Rachael

are you f2m? if so, yes you do pass,
if your m2f like i think, you look vageuly feminine, but you dont look female. Sorry, im just being honest.
R :police:
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seldom

Quote from: Rachael on October 16, 2007, 02:03:44 PM
are you f2m? if so, yes you do pass,
if your m2f like i think, you look vageuly feminine, but you dont look female. Sorry, im just being honest.
R :police:

I have to agree.  I mean HRT and laser/electro will help that alot though, as this is one of the few cases where FFS is not needed.
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cindybc

Hi Rachael

Quotefemale friends are closer, why? its how girls are. We express emotion through personal intimacy, a light touch, a hug, sharing personal space to reinforce our boundaries.

It wouldn't be very hard to prove
I am a member to many of the Yahoo Groups and from my experience on these groups most of them are populated by at least 90% female.

Cindy
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kalt

Quote from: Rachael on October 16, 2007, 02:03:44 PM
are you f2m? if so, yes you do pass,
if your m2f like i think, you look vageuly feminine, but you dont look female. Sorry, im just being honest.
R :police:
Who be ye talkin about?
I hope not me:(
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cindybc

Get a hair piece.

Cindy
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shanetastic

At least you have enough courage to post a picture of yourself Kalt.  I wouldn't do that because I'm paranoid and scared of people's reactions!! :P
trying to live life one day at a time
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cindybc

62 years old?

Smoky Mountains Tennessee two years ago.



Cindy
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Rachael

Quote from: Amy T. on October 16, 2007, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: Rachael on October 16, 2007, 02:03:44 PM
are you f2m? if so, yes you do pass,
if your m2f like i think, you look vageuly feminine, but you dont look female. Sorry, im just being honest.
R :police:

I have to agree.  I mean HRT and laser/electro will help that alot though, as this is one of the few cases where FFS is not needed.
few cases? youve not seen me recently have you? nor many young trans people who dont need any...
Kalt yes, i meant you.
R :police:
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cindybc

I was put on an evaluation at Clark Institute in Toronto, got my shrink to recommend me to an endo in Toronto and three months later I was on both hormones and androgen blocker. The rest of my transitioning I did on my own with my GP prescribing the hormones and my shrink keeping tabs of my progress who was only marginally knowledgeable on the subject of GID

Well such was life when you live in the sticks.

Cindy   
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seldom

Quote from: Rachael on October 17, 2007, 03:20:27 AM
Quote from: Amy T. on October 16, 2007, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: Rachael on October 16, 2007, 02:03:44 PM
are you f2m? if so, yes you do pass,
if your m2f like i think, you look vageuly feminine, but you dont look female. Sorry, im just being honest.
R :police:

I have to agree.  I mean HRT and laser/electro will help that alot though, as this is one of the few cases where FFS is not needed.
few cases? youve not seen me recently have you? nor many young trans people who dont need any...
Kalt yes, i meant you.
R :police:


Racheal, I thought this as well, but recently I have changed my mind on the subject after meeting more people.  I have met as many young transitioners who need it as old ones.  It just happens to get down to genetic luck. 
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Kate

Quote from: kalt on October 16, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
So, do I pass?

Ah, THAT question, the one which tortured me too ;)

In the end, I found that the only real way to truly answer that is to let the (real life) public tell you. Encouragement from my therapist and everyone here was wonderful, but in the end, it finally took just DOING it, getting out there over and over to finally convince me I could get by OK.

~Kate~
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Lisbeth

Quote from: kalt on October 16, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
So, do I pass?


I look at your picture and think, "Moses from Prince of Egypt."
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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