Quote from: Joanna Dark on November 28, 2014, 11:24:03 AM
That might help lose muscle, but I've read and been told my doctor the almost important part of transition (meaning to really feminize) requires protein and a lot of it. I forget the exact mechanism of how it works but it is essential.

Muscle loss comes with time and usually takes years. I'm tiny and 12o lbs but I still have some muscle tone and only recently have my arms become a lot more feminine. However, if it's just muscle she's trying to lose, you're absolutely right a low protein diet is the way to go. But it will effect feminzation and slow it down.

P.S. I'm not an endo, so I can only go by what I've been told and read. Please take no offense as I really respect you Teela.

No offense taken ^_^.        Well I thru it out there because I don't know how fem she looks already ect ect ect. I simply thru out the quickest way to destroy bulk muscles lol. Sadly its the only fix I can offer her aside from like you all are saying. Give it time.

Hey,

I was thinking abo9ut asking the same question....

I'm close to two years on full HRT and close to 3 years with little testosterone.  Still build like a like backer....

Waiting....

Hugs,

Jen

I've definitely lost strength and muscle mass almost three months in. I've also lost 15 lbs. so as we always say - YMMV!

I lost 90% of my muscles within the first month of being on an anti-androgen. I'm also pretty young and my metabolism is crazy fast so that might've helped a bit. Surprisingly I shrunk before losing my strength, but by the end of month two, I'm noticeably weaker.

I'm actually working overtime to keep my legs and ass.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on November 28, 2014, 11:24:03 AM
That might help lose muscle, but I've read and been told my doctor the almost important part of transition (meaning to really feminize) requires protein and a lot of it. I forget the exact mechanism of how it works but it is essential.

Here was a really bulky girl pre-transition (Sonna? SonaTS maybe? don't remember the exact nickname) that followed a very low protein diet (and heavy cardio routines) while transitioning (if I remember correctly), and her results were amazing. Since proteins can be important for transition, if those can be taken from muscles, it shouldn't be a problem. Taking from suplements or diet those that can't be obtained from the own muscles should do. Anyway, check this with your physician.

I don't know what cardio training are you doing, but if I were you I would try running over 45 minutes (if possible 90 minutes) at 75%-85% of your mhr. If possible fasting or at least no eating 3-4 hours before. This way glycogen deposits will be depleted fast and carbs needed from running should be taken as proteins from your muscles. If your sweat smells like ammonia while eating a low protein diet, then you're doing it right, that should be a sign of muscle burning (correct me if I'm wrong). Also making sure eating less than 1.5 gr protein per each pound body weight. How are your macros? If I were you I'll be trying to do something like 55/15/30, very very low on proteins. You can check this with your endo.

Definitely your calorie intake is low, very low specially if you're doing cardio 5-4 times per week, so make sure you're really taking very very little protein. This also takes time. Also, make sure to avoid "plateaus" due to very low calorie intake having short high calorie periods (just take the extra cals from carbs and fats).

Sona Avedian.m 225 lbs. of heavily muscled Marine. Now....look her up.

Quote from: Wednesday on November 29, 2014, 12:02:23 AM
Here was a really bulky girl pre-transition (Sonna? SonaTS maybe? don't remember the exact nickname) that followed a very low protein diet (and heavy cardio routines) while transitioning (if I remember correctly), and her results were amazing. Since proteins can be important for transition, if those can be taken from muscles, it shouldn't be a problem. Taking from suplements or diet those that can't be obtained from the own muscles should do. Anyway, check this with your physician.

I don't know what cardio training are you doing, but if I were you I would try running over 45 minutes (if possible 90 minutes) at 75%-85% of your mhr. If possible fasting or at least no eating 3-4 hours before. This way glycogen deposits will be depleted fast and carbs needed from running should be taken as proteins from your muscles. If your sweat smells like ammonia while eating a low protein diet, then you're doing it right, that should be a sign of muscle burning (correct me if I'm wrong). Also making sure eating less than 1.5 gr protein per each pound body weight. How are your macros? If I were you I'll be trying to do something like 55/15/30, very very low on proteins. You can check this with your endo.

Definitely your calorie intake is low, very low specially if you're doing cardio 5-4 times per week, so make sure you're really taking very very little protein. This also takes time. Also, make sure to avoid "plateaus" due to very low calorie intake having short high calorie periods (just take the extra cals from carbs and fats).

Thank you for advices.

I was trying to eat more calories but i just can't :-/

And sadly i can't check anything with my endo i don't have one, no i don't HRT myself just here things looks a bit diffrent... i got doctor who take care of my transition prescribe hormones and blokers but he is not endo you hardly find one in my country who know anything about TS.

I saw Sonna before when i was digging in internet and it is awesome how much she changed.

It took maybe a good 3-4 years of HRT. I was never really "muscly" to begin with, but did have the awful shoulder buldges as well as bigger arms. Now from the collarbone down it's almost perfectly straight. I have the tube like arms some cis females natrurally have. When I flex my arms, hardly anything pops out.    Any extra fat I had appropriately moved to my boobs and butt region.