Quote from: BCL on October 17, 2007, 09:14:32 PM

Quote from: Cindi Jones on October 17, 2007, 05:44:09 PM
There is a way to handle our energy needs for at least the next couple of centuries.  See:

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NuclearFastReactorsSA1205.pdf

Much safer and it burns waste we can't seem to store anywhere.

Cindi

I totally agree with Nuclear Energy as a viable alternative to oil or coal fired gas power stations.

My only concern is that each country should treat its own spent Nuclear waste, rather than shipping it half way round the world, to become someone elses waste.

As a global solution it does need the countries of the World to come together to agree that Nuclear technology will only be used for peaceful purposes, something I think may never happen.

BCL, check out the article at the URL I posted.  The concept is to burn the waste we have stockpiled.... not create more of it.

Cindi

Posted on: October 19, 2007, 12:11:09 AM

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Quote from: cindybc on October 17, 2007, 09:46:48 PM
There may be another way to dispose new clear waste, Why not dispose of it in a live volcano?

Cindy

That may only spread it out over a wider area.  It surely would melt the radioactive metals and mix it in the magma.  But it would not break down the atoms that have lethal radioactive half lives.  They would just spread out where the magma goes and spread their poison.

Cindi

Posted on: October 19, 2007, 12:12:52 AM

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Quote from: Teri Anne on October 17, 2007, 09:59:26 PM
Galileo risked excommunication from the church to stand up for what he thought.  A smart AND brave guy!

Galileo risked excommunication from the church to stand up for what Copernicus thought!    His ideas were not new. Copernicus, a monk, published his work from his deathbead.  He had written it years earlier but was afraid of the kick back from religious authorities. But Galileo got the credit  cause he told the pope where to stick it. Oh... he also got deserving credit for being the first to see the Jovian moves circle the giant planet.

Hey... I told an authority of the Mormon church where to stick it once for what I believed (ya know the TS thang). And I did get excommunicated!  It was very public and messy. Does that make me smart and brave?  I think that it only proves that I'm stubborn.  But I got my life back.

Cindi

Ok Teri, I will ask you the same thing I asked Cindi....  >

Quote from: Tink on October 20, 2007, 05:13:25 PM
What is the deal with Mars and Satan as implied on this website and many others?

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/mars.html

Is it true that the souls of sinners are kept in Mars and that Satan rules there?  Incidentally, I am serious and I'm not joking.  What do astronomers think about this?  Do you help the US government to cover "things" up? 

tink

tink

According to Roman mythology, Mars was the God of war and since the planet was red like blood they named the planet or so associated it in his name. No Satan was associated or mentioned in the mythical Roman legends. 

Satan was mentioned in the Gospels as tempting Jesus by taking home up on a high mountain and showing him all of the nations of the world and told Jesus if you do me homage I will give you all of the nations of the Earth. The Romain's may have known about the concept of a Satan and Satan may have been refereed to as a God by the Romans.

Cindy 

I'm not religious and so would not interject God or Satan into a discussion of any planet.  I think there is a good chance that there is a "higher being" out there but that's as far as I go. 

As Cindy points out, man has often used mythology to explain things beyond our scope.  I would imagine that any serious scientist or astronomer doesn't talk of mythology because it doesn't fit the strict requirements of true calculative science.  Anyone can claim that the "souls of sinners are kept on Mars" but, like the existence of God, nothing can be proven scientifically.  Are there clouds in heaven?  I don't know.

I feel there are plenty of worries here on earth that we should, instead, worry about like poverty, hunger, ruining our planet and hatred/murder.  Presuming there is some form of "higher being," I think he/she would direct us to be kind to all.

In the Bible, of course, it's called "love thy neighbor as thyself" -- A simple directive but people and countries have a tough time doing that simple thing.

Teri Anne

Just a theory

I believe that as the planet Mars becomes more thoroughly explored with yet more sophisticated rovers on the ground and probes from orbit we just may discover that Mars may have at one time been a water world. There are already numerous indications of this. When? according to science they say 30,000,000 years ago . What ended it?  Very likely a barrages of meteorite showers that both depleted the atmosphere and may have nudged the planet into the elliptical orbit we see Mars in today. This may have in turn thrown the entire planet into an ice age.

WE ARE ONE WITHIN THE ONENESS

the sense of being which in calm hours arises, we know not how, in the soul, is not diverse from things, from space, from light, from time, from man, but one with them and proceeds obviously from the same source.... Here is the fountain of action and of thought.... We lie in the lap of immense intelligence.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Although each of us obviously inhabits a separate physical body, the laboratory data from a hundred years of parapsychology research strongly indicate that there is no separation in consciousness.
- Russell Targ

Cindy
 

Yup Cindy,

It is pretty well accepted that Mars had water.  We now have photos of what we believe to be water being released from underground reserves.  So there may still be lots of water there in the ground.

Mars doesn't have a huge magnetic field like we do.  It may be that it couldn't protect it's atmosphere from gamma radiation which contributed to its loss.

Real astronomers collect more data than they consume Tink.  They are somewhat slow to announce discoveries until they can be explained.  If there is no data to help define a theory, the theory is only called a postulation or guess.  When it comes to topics like Satan, souls, and other similar topics, there is no official position.  There are no theories or even guesses.  They are topics viewed as religious, rumor, or fictional in nature.

Cindi

Most all of science is based on theory. Very little is actually based on fact. The evidence in itself is quit moot unless all elements can be directly observed with given signs of action and reaction in any given phenomenon affecting another by inference is not 100% provable as fact.  80% of scientific theories are by inference. where some energetic activities  can not be studied  by a direct means of observation but rather by what observable affect a given energetic element has on another, cause and effect.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on October 21, 2007, 11:29:49 PM

Most all of science is based on theory. Very little is actually based on fact. The evidence in itself is quit moot unless all elements can be directly observed with given signs of action and reaction in any given phenomenon affecting another by inference is not 100% provable as fact.  80% of scientific theories are by inference. where some energetic activities  can not be studied  by a direct means of observation but rather by what observable affect a given energetic element has on another, cause and effect.

Cindy

Science is the collection of data and then fitting an explanation to that data.  We then call this explanation a theory.  If there is no data, there can be no theory.  It is a guess and therefore not science. 

We will sometimes make a guess to explain the things that we see.  We then will collect data to prove or disprove the guess.  If we can support it with real data, then it might become a theory.  Theories can change as we improve the data.  Theories can be disproven as well.

Think of the "theory of gravity".  It is "just a theory".  It is not a fact.  But anyone can test it.  I can explain the theory and then you can test it by dropping a rock to the ground.  If the tests and data can not be duplicated by someone else, then the theory is not accepted.

Cindi

"DITO" Try to explain that to anyone else out there, they look at you kind of strange. "Fairies are real"  That was good cerebral gymnastics, thanks.

Cindy

No kidding.  Science isn't necessarily anything complicated or magic.  It is within the realm for everyone to understand.  Here are the things we have observed.  Here are our tests to replicate our observations.  And this is the simplest definition we have to explain them.  It is nothing more than that.

Cindi

I agree with you totally. Someday we may see where all the sciences, religions, spirituality, metaphysics, and quantum physics, witchcraft you name it will all merge as one science, one knowing where the conscious mind will expand to be all as one within Oneness in the realm of all realities.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on October 23, 2007, 02:15:13 AM
I agree with you totally. Someday we may see where all the sciences, religions, spirituality, metaphysics, and quantum physics, witchcraft you name it will all merge as one science, one knowing where the conscious mind will expand to be all as one within Oneness in the realm of all realities.

Cindy

Hmmmm.... That was either Alchemy or Devil Worship

Rebecca

Hi Rebecca

A little of both except that our minds will be sufficiently developed by then that the consciousness of all will know the reality of all. The only devil there will be will be the ones that are conjured out of these individuals minds. If this is so then it could be the last confrontation of souls in this reality. Where my people are united, nothing will be beyond them.

Cindy
   

Qualia is still being debated and does not stand up to the proof by reason and facts. This is not true science but rather beliefs which is a sort of religion.

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It does not fit the definition.

Quote from: BCL on October 17, 2007, 09:14:32 PM
My only concern is that each country should treat its own spent Nuclear waste, rather than shipping it half way round the world, to become someone elses waste.

As a global solution it does need the countries of the World to come together to agree that Nuclear technology will only be used for peaceful purposes, something I think may never happen.

The sad thing is it's not just shipped half way around the world to become waste.  The U.S. government buys it and uses it to make weapons.  Weapons that are being used on the battlefield today.
http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm

Quote from: cindybc on October 17, 2007, 09:46:48 PM
There may be another way to dispose new clear waste, Why not dispose of it in a live volcano?

Cindy

No, volcanoes erupt and then the waste runs down the side of the volcano.  Or worse, gets blown into the air.

Quote from: Cindi Jones on October 23, 2007, 01:54:05 AM
No kidding.  Science isn't necessarily anything complicated or magic.  It is within the realm for everyone to understand.  Here are the things we have observed.  Here are our tests to replicate our observations.  And this is the simplest definition we have to explain them.  It is nothing more than that.

Cindi

Absolutely.

The problem we run into is when data suggests that a cherished belief is no longer the best explaination.  That's when we have book burnings, inquisitions and holocausts.

Chaunte

Has anyone checked out what was in the link Tink posted?

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/mars.html

Sumerian evidence of unknown planet, best known as planet X.

Much of what has been discovered about the Sumerians was thought to be mythical. It has only been in recent years that the Sumerians have been proven as part of history from 6000years in the past. 

Cindy

If we are to control global warming, all things that cause it must be considered.  Discovery Channel's "Dirty Jobs" recently showed a farmer who was saving all kinds of things that he converted into energy.  I think, if memory serves, that he even was able to use the methane from his cows (methane is supposed to be a big global warming thing). 

It was recently revealed in the news that a billion U.S. dollars is apparently lost that was outsourced to some company that was supposed to help train Iraq police.  Like the "lost" military guns that was reported a few months ago, we're probably arming our enemies.  Just imagine what a billion dollars would have done towards finding energy independence.

I say, give a few million or billion to that farmer and people like him.  Make him Secretary of Energy and see what might happen.

Teri Anne

Hi Chaunte

I composed this post hours ago but the dang service provider was playing dead.

Quite agree. A theory is a theory, open to change and modification until all data becomes apparent and knowable, until all parts of the multifaceted phenomena becomes known and provable fact.

Then it is also said that for every question that is answered or mystery solved there are ten more to follow. In the finite, only things within finite are measurable, documented, and can be known, but as the human consciousness grows and evolves, more of what's beyond the thin gray veil of reality beyond the finite becomes evident to the ever expanding consciousness.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on October 25, 2007, 03:37:15 AM
Hi Chaunte

A theory is a theory, open to change and modification until all data becomes apparent and knowable, until all parts of the multifaceted phenomena becomes known and provable fact.

.... and even then, it is still just a theory.  A theory never becomes a fact.  The theory is only refined as you have so eloquently explained.

This was such a difficult concept for me when I was introduced to geometry in high school.  We had to prove all those theories.  Now you'd think that after 200 million high school kids prove that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, that it would sooner or later become a fact. But no, it's still just a theory.

Cindi