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low dosage HRT

Started by islandgirl, January 01, 2015, 08:24:05 PM

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islandgirl

As I move towards my specialist appointment, I am wondering what 'low dosage HRT or E' means. I have read
many posts referring to low dosage but am not sure what effects it will have on me. I know that this will vary person to person. I am moving forward with my transition, one step at a time, in what one could call 'slow as she goes' mode.
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Emily R

Islandgirl,

I am very interesting to see what they tell you. 

I would also like to have an small low dosage HRT to transition slowly and change my looks very incrementaly while getting the people I work with used to the small almost unnoticeable daily changes.  If I could wait I would delay it, but lately, from what I read partially caused by age, my dysphoria is getting out my control and need some body changes but not reaching as far as SRS.

Next week I will try to get an appointment with a psychologist to finally start the process.

Emily

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islandgirl

That is exactly my goal. Have started the counselling, out to wife and a couple of friends and my doctor. Incremental change sounds right. Helping deal with the dysphoria is one of my beginning steps. This is increasing each day.
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April_TO

Hi Ladies,

It really depends on how your body process Estrogen. Some people are extremely receptive and they can see changes immediately even in lower doses compared to someone who takes the recommended dosage of E and AA (anti androgen).

It really is a case to case basis. I've been on HRT for 4 months and started with a lose dose. However, a month through the process I can see some changes in my face and the nipple area starting to hurt.

Good luck in your journey and have fun.

April

Nothing ventured nothing gained
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Emily R

CarmenKate,

I think it would be interesting to know your particular results over a long period of time if you stay with the low dosage, I would like to see some breast grow on my own body but at a very slow pace.  I understand and appreciate what you are saying.   We are all different!

Did not mean to hijack the thread, it just that I there is so much to learn to make educated decision and the information is needed quickly.

Emily
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islandgirl

No hijack here! all important bits of info for me too. I have many questions to ask my doctor.
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judithlynn

Hi Islandgirl;

Low dosage HRT is designed to quell the dysphoria, but only feminize you in slow changes, but it also depends a great deal on your  bodies ability to process the changes. When I started to transition again (for the second time-read my other posts to get an idea), my  Doctor took initial blood tests and I was found to have a very low amount of Testosterone. My initial count was 5.6. Males generally range from 5.0 to 200 obviously dependent on age. CIS females T levels are from 0.00 to 2.50. Yes women have a level of T as well. Well my doctor decided to only put me on Oestrogen (no AA) and initially on a very low dose. )I cannot disclose the numbers. Anyway after the initial dosage and 3 months, he doubled it, then doubled it again. After about 12 months I had  got some small amount of feminisation. I had AA Cup breasts , but the most noticeable thing was  that my face was fuller, rounder, less angular and cheeks were fuller. Overall my body Skin became more translucent and softer.  A lot of women started commenting on how young I looked and how good my complexion was. Initially the Oestrogen only kept the dysphoria at bay. My libido dropped dramatically, my nipples became constantly erect and my aureola doubled in size and basically I lost interest in most things sexual, but as the body got used to the Oestrogen, I had a resurgence of my libido and a breakout of my dysphoria. At that stage, my doctor doubled the dose again (well increasing it by half rather than doubling it). Then I was back to normal, but the feminisation increased at a steadier increased pace. By then about 18 months my T levels had dropped to about 3.5. Again a lot of changes, some subtle and others more noticeable now with the nipples always obvious under shirts and T shirts and my breats jiggling all the time (Yes I now wear a bra all the time (pushups when out for the night), a soft cotton one when in general mode) By then I had small B Cups (well one breast at B and one at A+), , but again I had a breakout of dysphoria, so about 2 months ago my Doctor  increased my dosage again such that I am now on 8 times what I started with (which was very low indeed). Changes in the last 2 months are becoming more dramatic. I am now from B cups heading for small C. I have added 2.5" to my bottom and hips with my bottom cheeks now quite plump. My lips are fuller (lipstick looks great) and my T level has dropped to 2.5 within female range and my Doctor says that hormonally now I am female. Also my waist is emerging. Combined with my gym routine, I have lost some more weight - now down to 112KG (I was 126), but a long way to get to my ideal weight of 86kg. The dysphoria has gone, I hope for good and actually the urgency to transition has slowed but interestingly I am getting a lot of comments about how graceful I have become and how good I look and how soft my overall skin has become. Laser treatment on my face, underarms and legs is also becoming easier and hair re-growth slowing dramatically.  Its almost like the male fog has been lifted. I am also a much calmer person, although I have lost a lot of  drive and energy (although the gym work on my tummy and hips work is helping get over the energy issues). However I am now at a stage when I am going to have a think about wearing a one piece female bathing suit  for my weekly swimming sessions as my boobs and soft skin are becoming a little too obvious to be seen in a pair of budgie smugglers.

My doctor is aiming  to get my T levels to between 1.0 to 1.5 which he believes will be ideal to get the maximum feminisation for my age. My only regret is that he will nor prescribe Progesterone as he doesn't believe it adds to anything for me, although talking to another doctor in the UK and a surgeon that I have consulted about a possible breast augmentation,  they feel that Progesterone will have the effect of giving my breasts a more rounder and female definition and in effect mean that I will not need Breast Augmentation. My ideal cup size is D or DD. So we will have to see.
The most important thing is enjoy the ride, but remember changes will take time.
Judith
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islandgirl

Thank you for all that information. I really appreciate your full description of your progress and how med levels impacted your development. I have been told that blood work will be first up when i meet with the specialist. Then the plan will begin. I am starting at age 61. Lots to consider in this plan.
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judithlynn

Hi Islandgirl. I was 32 when I transitioned the first time. I am now your age. Remember women don't disclose their ages, but at our age, the T levels are down anyway. Send me a PM if you want any other advice. I live in both Australia and the UK. I sort of commute between the places.
Judith
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Stochastic

In addition to the good advice above, luna nyan has an updated discussion about low dose HRT that she has been on for multiple years. https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,130268.0.html

I have been on a moderate dose of estrogen and low dose spiro for nine months. When I accepted HRT, I had exhausted all options and needed HRT to keep myself together. It initially has helped with dysphoria, but like judithlynn had experienced, it has worn off to some degree. Considering where I was before HRT, I am in a good place and dyshoria is usually manageable. I still present as male for family reasons, but I have experienced significant changes. Near B-cup breasts and a shrinking waist keeps me from wearing fitted shirts and keeps me from tucking in my shirt. I do love the changes in my figure as well as the soft skin. Overall, changes with HRT has showed me that I am unquestionably trans and presenting as male becomes difficult with that acknowledgement. I must be patient though.   

Anyone considering low dose HRT should consider that changes may occur faster than they would like. It would be also helpful to accept that low dose is the start of a transition as opposed to a temporary means for addressing dysphoria. This way you are fully prepared to take that next step in case you find that low dose is not enough.
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Emily R

Stochastic,

Thank you for providing the link to the ongoing low HRT discussion,  I am sure it will be a great source of information!

Emily
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islandgirl

Yes, I have to agree with Emily. That link provided more great information. Really in line with where I am at.
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Emily R

Islandgirl,

Sorry I keep jumping ahead of you, but I feel like a sponge trying to collect all the information that I can to make an educated decision.

I am still trying to decide which therapist to call and make an appointment as there are 3 or 4 females within 10 miles of me and I am not sure which on to select, no one has jumped in to recommend one or another!.   I think I will try to make an appointment next week for the following week based on distance from me, the closest first.

BTW, Wish you the best of luck on your appointment and please let us know how it goes, as I am also interested in low dosage HRT.

Emily
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islandgirl

That is OK. This for the good of all of us! Good luck with your therapist choice. To start is important. If you don't feel connected to one you can always try another. Go with your gut feeling. That connection is so important in the client/therapist relationship.
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Stochastic

Quote from: Emily R on January 02, 2015, 07:39:43 PM
Islandgirl,

Sorry I keep jumping ahead of you, but I feel like a sponge trying to collect all the information that I can to make an educated decision.

I am still trying to decide which therapist to call and make an appointment as there are 3 or 4 females within 10 miles of me and I am not sure which on to select, no one has jumped in to recommend one or another!.   I think I will try to make an appointment next week for the following week based on distance from me, the closest first.

BTW, Wish you the best of luck on your appointment and please let us know how it goes, as I am also interested in low dosage HRT.

Emily

Not to derail this topic, but you can call each of the therapist that you are considering to find the right fit. This way you can ask questions to determine the level experience with trans clients. You may also be able to tell how responsive they are when it comes to returning calls or scheduling short notice appointments. I found when talking with certain therapists, I have connected with them right away but had different experiences with others.

Now back on topic <<< insert HRT discussion here >>>   :D :P
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Dee Marshall

If the doctor puts you on anti-androgens as well, and maybe even if not, they're going to want your overall level of hormones to be high enough to preclude osteoporosis. "First, do no harm." So they may move you up to more than a low dose sooner than you expect.
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