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How true is it really that it gets worse with age?

Started by orangejuice, January 05, 2015, 07:18:58 PM

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I don't seem to fit into the usual (MtF) trans narrative, but the dysphoria does seem to have become much more of an issue for me in the past few years.  I don't know if it's that the dysphoria is actually worse or that I'm finally allowing myself to see it as dysphoria.  I can't say I was ever much of a success at being an ANSI-standard Man(tm) (nor did I really want to be), but I did keep myself busy doing the male-permitted stuff I imagined would make my life fulfilled.

I think what turned me around was when I was forced to realize that trying to be what everybody told me I was (or was supposed to be) wasn't working.  (Actually, it was killing me.)  I started trying to find out who I was underneath the manure-pile of "shoulds"  and have come to see that I've never been happy being male.  I've just done it because it never occurred to me that there was an alternative.  It's like if you've only ever seen black-and-white movies and TVs and then one day you see something in color.  Having considered the option of living my (few) remaining years as a woman vs. as a man, I can't be satisfied with the black-and-white life my existence up to now has been.  (Of course, the idea of actually changing scares me silly.  On the other hand, my butt's gettin' awfully sore from sitting on this here fence.)

I think when you're younger, you can imagine that the future will take care of the nagging doubts and dissatisfactions you face.  It'll all become fine when I marry the right person, when I get the right job, when I have kids (all of them "above average," of course :) .)  Then you get to the point where there isn't so much future ahead of you and you realize doing the stuff everyone tells you will make it all worth it doesn't make it all worth it.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Cin

Quote from: Ms Grace on January 06, 2015, 06:38:48 AM
I tried to transition when I was 23. I was on HRT for two years before deciding "it was never going to work" and stopping. Despite the fact I felt distraught about not being able to live my life as a woman I was able to bury those feelings underneath distraction and personal projects and general busy-ness. Other people might use drugs, alcohol and other things - anything to help forget and not feel the pain. I tried for so long to keep all that pushed down - I am a writer and artist and was able to use that to shunt my feelings off into some parallel world where I could live my female life through female characters and fantasy. I think I coped in the real world by presuming I was a woman and that as long as I didn't act like a man, even though I outwardly looked and presented as male I would still be accepted as female. That of course was just a delusion. I hadn't realised I was in a slowly descending spiral of depression and denial - my cleverly but unconsciously crafted make believe world crashed up hard against reality one day and quickly imploded. Then I just realised how deeply and desperately miserable I truly was and that the solution, predictably, was exactly the same as it had been back when I detransitioned 20 years earlier.

The thing to remember is that transition is not a magic fix all - if you have other problems and issues in life the only thing transition will resolve if you are trans is that you will be able to live as the gender you identify as. It will help with a lot of the dysphoria but it won't instantly make your life or your emotions better. Finding out how to do that is part of the journey of transition.

Distractions do work, definitely. When I'm doing things I like or am *forced* to do like study or homework or even paying bills (and other stuff I really hate), 'gender thoughts' don't necessarily enter into my head. It all starts at the end of the day for me, for, when I feel like my 'professional' life's going OK, but I need a 'personal' life too, that's because I feel like I'm making no progress as a 'person'.  (I'm terrible at describing how I feel, sorry)

I agree with it not being a magic fix too, I don't think it would fix existential depression, for example.
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Beverly

Quote from: orangejuice on January 05, 2015, 07:18:58 PM
So seriously, if I put a gun to your head, based on just what I've said here, what do you think  my chances are of being able to leave these feelings alone?

Well, since you have a gun to my head, if you are like most people, the chances are zero.

Having said that, it may well be that you are not ready to transition at this point in your life and therefore stopping now and re-evaluating your feelings and drives may be the wisest thing you can do.

Transition can be all consuming. It can take a lot of time and energy as well as money. If you are not prepared to have it occupy a large portion of your life for the next few months or years then stepping back until you are ready is definitely better than plunging in and hoping for the best.

As for me.... I thought I could take it to the grave, my "dirty" little shameful secret. I was wrong.
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ashley_thomas

All consuming is right, holy heck is it right but when ready for it and when it's necessary you can do it. Frankly that's exactly what therapy is for, to help wade through all those issues.

The other thing is youth can mask a lot of these issues, it did for me. I knew I was trans for years but had no signs of aging. Dressing from time to time I could look in the mirror and see a soft good looking gal. I still don't have any wrinkles (well that's not true, around my smile, one crinkle in my forehead and a crease on my neck, but no crows feet yet) but I did start male pattern baldness and that's what made me realize I would have huge regrets when I transitioned in my 50s or 60s.  Knowing I wanted to and waiting through the last years of my visible youth was where my regrets would find their home.  So I moved on it and started transition.

I'd also add that I felt like crap on just testosterone and DHT blockers. It wasn't until I added E that I started to feel good about life and there is simply no way I can stop taking the little blue pills, whether I transitioned socially or not.

YMMV
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Sammy

Oh well, orangejuice, we are all different and what works for one might not work for another or vice versa. A lot of what You wrote in Your opening post struck memories in me. I will try to be brief and not hijack this thread with usual "I did... in my case" etc but some stuff was really similar. Ever since I was little kid, I knew something was wrong and around age of 4 -5 I figured out what the issue was. Around the age of 13 I learnt what transsexual was, read an article about Caroline Cossey, looked at her picture and sort of got impression that this could never happen with me because I was in a different situation and lived in another country. I also stopped crossdressing around the age of 15 because I started to look bad in my mom's stuff and also doing that and then switching back caused a lot of distress, so I figured out that maybe if I would not deliberately pick at it, it would not hurt afterwards or maybe go away.
I was very insecure about being a guy, but around the age of 16 I started to figure out how to be a one - I did not like most of my peers but I found role models from movies and literature who, in my opinion, were decent men and made a point always to act like them - I thought that if I would follow this simple mental programme nobody would ever find out and I would go on living like an ideal man. I took hobbies which strengthened that image - martial arts, equestrian sports, medieval swordfighting - You get the idea. The more You get into this, the more You want and need and stuff gets more and more extreme, because testosterone and adrenaline are powerful combination.
I would lie if I said that this stuff was not enjoyable -  I liked what I did, it helped to forget and ghosts from past started to fade out. Except, You need to keep this stuff going because once Your mind and body become idle, vague  things and deeply supressed memories will come out and You will remember who You are.
So, yeah, I was quite sure that it was over and I have dealt with it and could go on with my life as a guy. And then, something somewhere broke down and that stone wall started to crumble. At first, I did not notice anything and kept going with a flow – I started doing not very typical guy things and did not even  think twice about why I did them. One thing led to another until I realised that feelings from my childhood are back in full force, like they happened just  yesterday, not some 30 years ago (I was to turn 35 when I came back(. And worst part was that nothing of my coping mechanisms seemed to work anymore – suddenly, those hobbies seemed empty and shallow, and I was too scared to try out more dangerous stuff. But the most important part was that it made me remember who I was deep inside and as soon as I accepted that, I could not deny that anymore.
At one point of time, when trying to figure it all out in first attempts to sort out all that internal mess I came accross this article: http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm
It opened my eyes to a lot of things, and some missing (nope, deliberately forgotten) pieces of my life came back, it all clicking into their places as some kind of puzzle. I did recognise the pattern all too well and I did not like some of possible future scenarios. So, yeah, read at Your discretion and apply to Your own situation, but there is one thing which I did learn – this thing does not really go away completely and ignoring it and pushing it into some deep and dark places does not help. You can keep runing but You wont outrun Yourself – and this stuff is INSIDE You, not in some random  external place from where You can run away forever. You can run, but it keeps running with You.

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cindy16

Emily, thanks a lot for sharing that article by Dr. Vitale. I have been searching this site and the rest of the internet for answers to my problems for a few weeks now, but this is the first time I have seen such a clear explanation that seems to fit in so well with what I am experiencing (a classic G3).

Though I am not too sure about some of the generalizations about professions etc, and thankfully I have no sexist, homophobic or transphobic notions (at least none that I or others around me have ever noticed), the rest of the article seems spot on. And it seems scary too.  :-\
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ImagineKate

I had a good few distractions. Hobbies, career, family.

But it was still buzzing in my ear like the mosquito that just wouldn't go away until you slap it and kill it.

Eventually it won and I gave up fighting.
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sonson

just like Cin, I am also 23 so I cant say how it feels at an older age.

What I can say though, is that I relate a lot to what you said about how you used to be happy when you were an athlete, ect, and believe that you can get back to that. In highschool I did a lot of theatre, i loved it and felt truly happy and during that time I was never bothered by my female desires. after highschool though, they came back and truly became a problem. I always believed that If I could somehow get back to what made me happy, get my life in a good place, i could once again forget about these desires.

up until last summer it was getting really bad. then, in late august, i moved to california to pursue a career in tv or film. i loved it. I met amazing new friends and and in just a couple months i had already worked on a couple low budget projects. my dreams were coming true and once again I felt truly happy, and i hardly even thought about those female desires. i truly thought that i had beaten them, and everything was finally gonna be ok

then, just after october, sure enough the dysphoria came back, and came back harder than ever. this time it was different than ever before, because this time i couldnt just tell myself that i just needed to get my life in a better place, because now I WAS in a better place. i realized that if all these amazing new friends and dream jobs werent enough to stop the dysphoria, then nothing would. this was huge for me and it was the turning point that led me to where i am now.

now im just hoping that I can continue to pursue my dreams and be happy with my career and social life, while also finding happiness with who i am. i havent yet transitioned, so I'll have to get back to you on how that turns out :p

I cant tell you what to do, all i can say is that finding happiness in the other aspects of my life didnt work for me.
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orangejuice

Thanks for the article Emily.

I do get that its not going to go away. I just wonder how much I can live with it, and whether living with it would be better than the life I really don't want of being seen as a freak by others. I mean more and more I'm certain that I am transgender, and I'm beginning to accept that its not my fault, but that mostly just makes me sad. I'm getting sadder and sadder every day to be honest. I'm so sad for the person that I could have been. So much better than I am now. But I just struggle to see transition as the same thing. My wish that I was a girl won't go away if I look in the mirror and don't see one and as a result the world won't treat me as one. I can't help but keep coming back to the fact that  I want to be a girl, I don't want to be transgender.

I know its nuts but sometimes the only thing that keeps me going is that maybe when we die we get to experience life again somehow or that we learn about something deeper that makes all this not matter.
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Jill F

Quote from: ImagineKate on January 06, 2015, 12:37:51 PM
I had a good few distractions. Hobbies, career, family.

But it was still buzzing in my ear like the mosquito that just wouldn't go away until you slap it and kill it.

Eventually it won and I gave up fighting.
^This^  I tried to fill my life with distractions, which actually wasn't all that hard with ADD.  Music, projects, work and movies all come to mind.   I also tried every drug there was, legal or not, smoked cigarettes and drank a lot.   The drugs didn't work, I quit smoking and drinking for a time after a health scare, got in shape and the dysphoria started kicking mah butt royally.  As soon as I got the doc's OK, I started drinking again to drown out that little voice that was getting a bit louder every day.  In March I was drinking moderately, but by October I was drinking insane amounts of hard liquor to try to drown out the screaming woman in my head.  I had put the "insane" notion of transitioning out of my head ages before, and I thought I could never, ever go there.

Quote from: bbepgy on January 06, 2015, 07:01:18 AM
As for me.... I thought I could take it to the grave, my "dirty" little shameful secret. I was wrong.

I almost did that twice inside of a month.   Waking up in the ER with stitches in your head totally sucks.  I think my BAC was in the .4 range both times.  I'm glad one of the doctors was very familiar with transgender people and told me to find a therapist right away.  Now I look back and wonder what I was so afraid of.  The "new me" is the "real me" and I think it's a drastic improvement.   I also find sobriety quite peaceful now.
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Beverly

Quote from: Jill F on January 06, 2015, 01:58:35 PM
Now I look back and wonder what I was so afraid of.  The "new me" is the "real me" and I think it's a drastic improvement. 

Indeed. It amazes me that people are so terrified of coming out even though I remember being petrified myself  :o Even so, I also remember thinking that if people turned their backs on me I could find a way to cope. I had to be me.


Quote from: Jill F on January 06, 2015, 01:58:35 PM
I also find sobriety quite peaceful now.

I never took drugs or smoked and although I never abused alcohol as you describe it, I did drink and the occasional bender found me passed out on floors. Nowadays I hardly touch the stuff. I just lack the need. I got through Xmas and New Year with 12 bottles of wine and I shared every single bottle with at least one other person and usually several. I probably had the equivalent of 4 bottles in the last 6 weeks and that is a lot these days.

I am so much more secure in myself. I no longer need "crutches".
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BunnyBee

It got worse and worse and worse until I broke.  Will it be the same for you?  Honestly, probably.  But nobody can know but you, 10-15 years from now.  But figure on slim chances of it getting better or even staying the same.
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Sammy

Quote from: orangejuice on January 06, 2015, 01:54:09 PM
I do get that its not going to go away. I just wonder how much I can live with it, and whether living with it would be better than the life I really don't want of being seen as a freak by others. I mean more and more I'm certain that I am transgender, and I'm beginning to accept that its not my fault, but that mostly just makes me sad. I'm getting sadder and sadder every day to be honest. I'm so sad for the person that I could have been. So much better than I am now. But I just struggle to see transition as the same thing. My wish that I was a girl won't go away if I look in the mirror and don't see one and as a result the world won't treat me as one. I can't help but keep coming back to the fact that  I want to be a girl, I don't want to be transgender.

I know its nuts but sometimes the only thing that keeps me going is that maybe when we die we get to experience life again somehow or that we learn about something deeper that makes all this not matter.

Yes, but no matter what, it has always been (known or not) and will remain something which will define Your life - steps that You take, words that You speak, the way You act, take decisions etc etc etc. All my life I though that I was unique and special, that there was a higher purpose, a quest to complete. All my life I had been searching the ultimate purpose of life, sometimes thinking that journey itself was more important that the result. I always looked outside, looked for roads and ways to explore - never inside, maybe because I was afraid from I would see. There is something that my first therapist told me (he was not great at all and by far any kind of expert in trans issues), but I forgave him for this single thing. He told me that there is only one purpose for our life - to live it out fully and reach happiness.
And we can only be happy when we are whole as persons, not divided or torn by internal fears, struggles and issues.
Almost two years ago, I kept looking in the mirror, searching for answers and the more I stared at my reflection, the unhappier I became. It all reached the point when I could not even look at women on streets without tears. At that point, it did not really matter, I had to try atleast something or I would blame myself for the rest of my life. And despite that lot of fears, insecurities, basically everyone telling and warning of not becoming some sort of freak - it turned out quite good.  Or at least, waaay better than I did expect :).
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Cin

I'd be so much happier if my dysphoria just disappeared tomorrow, but... arggh.

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on January 06, 2015, 03:13:56 PM
And we can only be happy when we are whole as persons, not divided or torn by internal fears, struggles and issues.
Almost two years ago, I kept looking in the mirror, searching for answers and the more I stared at my reflection, the unhappier I became. It all reached the point when I could not even look at women on streets without tears. At that point, it did not really matter, I had to try atleast something or I would blame myself for the rest of my life. And despite that lot of fears, insecurities, basically everyone telling and warning of not becoming some sort of freak - it turned out quite good.  Or at least, waaay better than I did expect :).

That bolded part, I fear that I'm getting there. It really worries me as I already have a hard enough time looking at girls just being girls, it doesn't really take much for me to feel bad about myself. I'm ok for now, but thinking about my future really scares me :( 
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Sammy

Quote from: Cin on January 06, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
I'd be so much happier if my dysphoria just disappeared tomorrow, but... arggh.

That bolded part, I fear that I'm getting there. It really worries me as I already have a hard enough time looking at girls just being girls, it doesn't really take much for me to feel bad about myself. I'm ok for now, but thinking about my future really scares me :(

All I can say - once You hit or reach a certain threshold things can and do only get better!
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alena

I've always wondered if I started a family if that would take my mind off transitioning, the replies here helped answer my question ;)


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Sammy

Quote from: alena on January 06, 2015, 04:00:06 PM
I've always wondered if I started a family if that would take my mind off transitioning, the replies here helped answer my question ;)

It would also complicate Your transition tremendously.
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Cin

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on January 06, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
All I can say - once You hit or reach a certain threshold things can and do only get better!

I just hope this threshold is not around the corner, as I'm not ready yet :)

I did hit another kind of threshold about a year ago, when I finally decided to interact with other transgender folk to learn about myself and I feel so much better about myself these days.
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alena



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orangejuice

Ye I think I'm leaving this alone. It's just not worth it. My starting point is too bad. Maybe there is a smalll chance that at some point in the future after years of hormones and if I've somehow managed to save up for extensive surgery that I could look ok enough that I'd be happy walking down the street. But even getting to that point id say would be less than 50/50. A lot less. Given everything I'd be giving up and how completely traumatic coming out would be for me because of the life I've had its not worth it. I'm always going to wish I was a girl and I'm pretty sure transition isn't going to fix that. I can be happy as a guy again. Or at least happy enough.

Thanks for all the advice.
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