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HRT and Weight?

Started by Rawb, January 11, 2015, 05:15:20 PM

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Rawb

When I went in and finally (FINALLY) got my HRT perscription, one of the things I was told, was that most FTMs who go on T end up gaining weight?
Do you find it's true? Am I going to get more fat? It struck me as odd, because T gives you a higher energy level, higher metabolism and as long as you can control your increased appetite it shouldnt be too bad. Or maybe the added weight is muscle gain?

I'm super confused.
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Bimmer Guy

I have gained weight.  Some of it is for sure muscle.  Some of it is belly fat.  It I mostly muscle (even though I haven't been working out).  I know it sounds surprising, but I am really confident that I haven't had an increase in food intake.

HOWEVER, prior to starting HRT I had started to gain some weight over the year prior.  I am 44 years old and I think that age was starting to catch up with me in terms of metabolism.  How much that fits into this, I am not sure.

But, yes, I usually hear guys say anything from 10-20lbs the first 6 months, but I am not sure how much is muscle, how much fat. 

I assumed the same thing as you (fat loss), until I read otherwise here.
Top Surgery: 10/10/13 (Garramone)
Testosterone: 9/9/14
Hysto: 10/1/15
Stage 1 Meta: 3/2/16 (including UL, Vaginectomy, Scrotoplasty), (Crane, CA)
Stage 2 Meta: 11/11/16 Testicular implants, phallus and scrotum repositioning, v-nectomy revision.  Additional: Lipo on sides of chest. (Crane, TX)
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JayDawg

I gained 10lbs by 3 months on T (130 to 140), then another 10, which I have since lost. I hope to lose more because it's mostly belly fat now. I do have a bit more energy, and definitely muscle gain. I measured my arms and chest and neck when I started T, and I've gained 2" on arms and chest, and an inch on my neck. Gained a lot on my waist, so I can't fasten my dress pants I bought for work pre-T. Trying to stick to my diet (paleo low carb) and if I can't get into those pants by the end of the month, I will have to buy new ones that fit. I outgrew 4 dress shirts I bought pre-T, and I think I'll only be able to wear the other 2 for a few more months.

So my advice is to  not go crazy on wardrobe until your body settles in.





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Bimmer Guy

Quote from: JayDawg on January 11, 2015, 05:46:13 PM
I gained 10lbs by 3 months on T (130 to 140), then another 10, which I have since lost. I hope to lose more because it's mostly belly fat now. I do have a bit more energy, and definitely muscle gain. I measured my arms and chest and neck when I started T, and I've gained 2" on arms and chest, and an inch on my neck. Gained a lot on my waist, so I can't fasten my dress pants I bought for work pre-T. Trying to stick to my diet (paleo low carb) and if I can't get into those pants by the end of the month, I will have to buy new ones that fit. I outgrew 4 dress shirts I bought pre-T, and I think I'll only be able to wear the other 2 for a few more months.

So my advice is to  not go crazy on wardrobe until your body settles in.

Right, I am having the same issue with both my dress shirts and my dress pants.  So far, I have been able to keep wearing both the shirts and the pants, but both are at their limit.  I'm sure if I worked out, the shirts would be gone right away.  I have already had to stop wearing t-shirts under them (they were V-neck t- shirts).

I have gained 15 lbs and I am 4 months on T.

It's amazing the way muscle has just piled onto my body without my working out.  It was the first change I noticed.  I am trying to hold out on buying any new clothes for as long as I can.  I guess I am hoping I will lose the stomach weight, at least!

My jeans are tight too, of course.  Everything is!  I have worn the same size(s) for 15+ years, so this is a big change!
Top Surgery: 10/10/13 (Garramone)
Testosterone: 9/9/14
Hysto: 10/1/15
Stage 1 Meta: 3/2/16 (including UL, Vaginectomy, Scrotoplasty), (Crane, CA)
Stage 2 Meta: 11/11/16 Testicular implants, phallus and scrotum repositioning, v-nectomy revision.  Additional: Lipo on sides of chest. (Crane, TX)
Fistula Repair 12/21/17 (UPenn Hospital,unsuccessful)
Fistula Repair 6/7/18 (Nikolavsky, successful)
Revision: 1/11/19 Replacement of eroded testicle,  mons resection, cosmetic work on scrotum (Crane, TX)



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Bran

The common wisdom is that most people gain weight on T, but my doc actually says she's found that many loose weight because of increased metabolism and ease at building muscle. I'll see, but I'm hoping to loose.  I find that caring for my body is a lot easier when I'm on the way to making it something I like.
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ChrisRokk

I went from about 125 lbs to currently 165, but I think that is way more than average.  I have seen some guys lose a ton of weight, though. It's so different from person to person.
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Kreuzfidel

I definitely didn't lose weight.

Pre-T, I was about 110 pounds.  3 years on T, I'm 143 pounds.

Most is muscle, but not all. 

I think that some guys do really believe that just being on T alone is enough to magically transform fat into muscle or to not gain fat at all because of the metabolic changes - but it's not true.  You still have to watch what you eat - and you still need exercise. 
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LoriLorenz

Just for the record, guys generally have a lower body fat ratio than girls, muscle weighs more than fat, thus you will likely gain weight on T. if you are working out properly, that's likely to be mostly muscle, but there is also the puff factor with T (guys getting chubby face for a while).
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Amadeoamante

I'm down 8 lbs from my pre-T weight.  I started lifting weights seriously four months in, gained about 2 lbs, then lost 10 over the next few months.  I've gained a ton of muscle, can really feel it in my arms and shoulders.  I'm losing weight off my hips but seem to be putting some on on my stomach.  My pants are slightly looser.  I can do pull-ups for the first time in my life.
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LoriLorenz

Quote from: Amadeoamante on January 12, 2015, 03:47:44 AM
I'm down 8 lbs from my pre-T weight.  I started lifting weights seriously four months in, gained about 2 lbs, then lost 10 over the next few months.  I've gained a ton of muscle, can really feel it in my arms and shoulders.  I'm losing weight off my hips but seem to be putting some on on my stomach.  My pants are slightly looser.  I can do pull-ups for the first time in my life.
Round of applause! Well done sir. Male fat deposits tend to be on the belly, while females carry on the hips, so that's par for the course.
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Dante

I've been on a low dose for about 8 months now, and I haven't gained any noticeable weight. I've been trying to lose weight for a long while, and I was having pretty good success (lost about 13 pounds) until I went to a convention where I couldn't really count calories (I decided to allow myself to cheat for that reason and so I could enjoy the rare treats) and then I just got lazy after that haha. I didn't overeat, but I wasn't eating to lose either. I gained 3 of the lost pounds back, but that's it, and now I'm back on track to lose some more.

I haven't found any noticeable new muscle mass either, but that's to be expected since I'm dieting. One thing I have noticed though, is that the fat I have is definitely redistributing. Most guys had found that to be a myth, and that only new fat would redistribute, but I've lost the 3 pounds I had gained back now plus a couple more and my stomach is still larger than it was before. I have the measurements to prove it.





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ChrisRokk

Quote from: Dante on January 12, 2015, 05:06:17 AM
I've been on a low dose for about 8 months now, and I haven't gained any noticeable weight. I've been trying to lose weight for a long while, and I was having pretty good success (lost about 13 pounds) until I went to a convention where I couldn't really count calories (I decided to allow myself to cheat for that reason and so I could enjoy the rare treats) and then I just got lazy after that haha. I didn't overeat, but I wasn't eating to lose either. I gained 3 of the lost pounds back, but that's it, and now I'm back on track to lose some more.

I haven't found any noticeable new muscle mass either, but that's to be expected since I'm dieting. One thing I have noticed though, is that the fat I have is definitely redistributing. Most guys had found that to be a myth, and that only new fat would redistribute, but I've lost the 3 pounds I had gained back now plus a couple more and my stomach is still larger than it was before. I have the measurements to prove it.

I had this happen as well, where a lot of my weight redistributed when my numerical weight didn't change. I think it's because we pull energy from fat cells and put excess energy back into fat cells in small amounts all the time (you don't necessarily eat the same or exercise the same or experience extreme heat/cold/other stress the same every day) even if your weight isn't jumping by a lot. Those small energy transactions over time probably add up to large scale fat redistribution.
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Mr.X

Initially I gained 2-3 kilos. But due to exercise and watching what I eat I managed to lose about 5 kilos. So in the end I weigh less than pre-T. I'm trying to bulk up some now so hopefully I'll be back to my pre T weight soon enough, but it'll be muscles instead of fat this time.
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Magnus

In my case, T actually packed on lean body mass while it was also burning off fat. On that note, not all of the lean body mass gains will be from muscle. Some of it will also be from ligaments and tendons thickening, as well as bone mineral density increasing. And hell, T does change your water retention a bit (I sure have noticed I go more often and for less) and so some of that weight gain will also be water weight. So in the end, it won't really seem like you've lost fat going off of what a scale alone says, but you really have.

I was the exact same weight I am now, but my mass composition is drastically different (and it was by 3 months). I basically displaced the same weight in fat that I gained in lean body mass, around 20-25lbs. I have not gained any excess fat to date (I once binged on a large Costco pizza and didn't gain an ounce), but my fat has certainly redistributed a bit (mostly from the hips and backside to the stomach).

And since without this information it would be largely considered anecdotal, more than half of my shirts are now too mall (shoulders, arms and especially in the collars) and all of my pants are now too large (slip off even with a belt unless I cinch it up real tight; suspenders are my buddies now in deference to spending $20 a pop on pants lol).

All of which happened from T alone. I was not exercising or dieting.

Ultimately, if you're not eating too much or else inappropriately (and doubly applicable if you're also exercising regularly), you should gain lean mass while losing fat at the same time on T, initially. Otherwise, you will instead most likely gain lean body mass while also gaining more fat. And which will actually be worse than if you were only gaining the muscle and not the fat at the same time and vice versa (both simultaneously make you look twice as fat than you really are).

So for me, I don't need to drop 60-80lbs anymore as I would have pre-T, I only need to get rid of 40-60lbs post-T. I honestly cannot have an excess of 60lbs of fat now. I maybe have 35lbs on my stomach, if that, to go (my extremities are normal; it's my trunk that has all the damn pudge. Hypercortisolism and hyperinsulinism are a ***** to deal with in the aftermath, let me tell you. Under-skin fat is a hell of a lot harder to get rid of than under-muscle fat). I'll never look right in the trunk without surgery to correct that marred mess. I literally look like I was clawed to shreds by a beast, so I'll still have horrendous scarring everywhere, nevermind the scalpel lines. Argh. Just praying my pelt will conceal most of that. Not holding my breath however. Ah well, could be worse I suppose).


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ThatAussieDude

Weight gain is inevitable as far as I'm concerned. Whether it's muscle mass or fat is mostly up to you, what you eat and your exercise. I was only 50 kg right before starting T and 173 cm, so underweight. My doctor said hopefully T will help you gain weight (I really struggle to). 15 months down the track and I'm 59 kg now. A lot is belly, but I don't care as long as I'm not severely skinny any mote. Some is muscle, especially in my upper body and legs. I get extremely tired if I work out too much or hard so I just do what I can manage and do my best to stick to healthy carbs, proteins and fats with the occassional treat. I do have a problem with binge eating that was pre existing and I have to admit it is worse at times now. I'm not into perfect body ideals. I just think as long as I'm OK with my weight then nothing else matters.
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Alexthecat

I think if you are really fat pre-T you will loose weight, if you are skinny you will gain weight.

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CursedFireDean

I gained weight- went from 145/150 to 160/165. Part of it is muscle and part of it is the freshman 15.





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Mr.X

QuoteI once binged on a large Costco pizza and didn't gain an ounce

Binging once on a pizza won't make anyone gain weight. Sure, the next few days the number on the scale will be up due to water retention (there's lots of salt in that pizza) but gaining fat from one pizza is highly unlikely.

I'm very curious now, though. What height are you guys, and what were your pre-T and after T weights?
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CursedFireDean

Quote from: Mr.X on January 12, 2015, 03:38:36 PM
I'm very curious now, though. What height are you guys, and what were your pre-T and after T weights?
I'm 5'2", 145 before, 165 when I gained the most, and now down to 160. A good chunk of my gain was simply going to college and eating crap, but there is a tiny bit of muscle change in there too. But it was mostly poor eating habits that I'm trying to change.





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HeyTrace19

Here is a radical thought for you...  How about if you try NOT to focus on the scale numbers?  Pay attention to eating nourishing, balanced meals when you feel hungry, and be sure to get some form of exercise every day.  Your body will manage itself through proper intake/output.  Maybe you will weigh more, maybe you will weigh less...but the number really is insignificant.  You will feel healthier if you focus on taking care of your body and listening and responding to its needs. 

I threw out my scale 7 years ago and have no idea what I weigh.  My doctor records my weight, but I never look at it.  She will let me know if the number ever seems problematic. I have worn most of the same clothing for at least the past five years.  I had to get smaller pants about a year after starting T, and my shirt sleeves seem a little tighter, but I really do not care.  My body is healthy, which is all that matters.
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