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Started by MadisonMN, January 21, 2015, 01:57:02 AM

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MadisonMN

Hello,

This is my first post on these boards, but I've been reading them for some time now. I'm a guy -- 23 years young -- and having a hell of a time dealing with finding my identity. Pull up a chair and listen to my brain dump.

So I've "known" all my life that I wanted to be a girl, much as I'm sure most people here "knew" they wanted to be a different gender when they were growing up pre-adolescence. It was, without a doubt, on my mind as a child, but easy to ignore. Then came high school. By the time I was in my late teens, I was still able to ignore it most of the time, but whenever I saw the girls hanging out with each other I felt a deep, dark pit grow in my stomach. It was envy and sadness to the point of nausea. But I still hid it just fine. I kept to myself, hung with some friends, avoided situations that would "trigger" it as best I could.

Then came college. Growing up in a small Minnesotan suburb of less than 3,000, I was not accustomed to the sheer number of people I would come into contact with -- nor the diversity. I was always a shy guy (and still very much am), so I mostly kept to my dorm room. To this day I cannot recall somebody's name from college that wasn't a professor -- and I graduated a year ago. I remember seeing, every now and then, mtf trans people transitioning, and I felt that same envy, but also a sort of relief, as if I had some sort of hidden comradery with them, or perhaps I was living vicariously through them. I also felt fear. A very real, very edgy fear that gnawed at my stomach until I developed an ulcer. It was the fact that this might very well be me.

Growing up, I've always been the sort of person that emphatically cared what people thought of me. I can recall, in my mother's voice, countless times of, "Stop worrying about what other people think!" But, alas, I care. I care a lot. And that's the fear that I'm sure others have when it comes to thoughts of transitioning. What will people think of me? What will they say? How will my family feel? What about my nephew? My niece? My friends? My doctor, my neighbor, my mailman, my baker? The thoughts of sometimes inconsequential people in our lives are tremendous and impactful. Perhaps they rule my life, but it's been an alright life.

I came out to my parents less than two years ago, during my Junior year in college, about having these trans thoughts that would not go away. I told them I had them all my life. My mom, in the most embarrassing manner embraces the notion. My father seemed... aloof at best, but certainly not negative. I went to one Trans* & Ally meeting during that year, and I was so overwhelmed that I never went back, shunned the thoughts, and decided to focus on my slipping Computer Science major (spoiler alert: I dropped it and went for English.)

Sometimes I wonder where in my life it came from -- or where it comes for any of us. My name, my actual male name, is Madison. In fact, during my Trans* & Ally experiment, the moderator of sorts asked if I had done anything to transition, other than changing my name and grow my hair out. I couldn't help but laugh. I had long hair for years, and I did not do so consciously to appear more feminine.

And now, here we are, one year removed from college, one year unemployed save for sparse freelancing jobs (mostly unpaid), and one year into a relationship with a woman, halfway across the country, that I love. And, like clockwork, the thoughts are coming flooding back to me. I'm not normal like this. Is this really how I want to live the rest of my life, as a man? But then the guilt, the fear. What about your girlfriend? She has given her life to you, even if you are hundreds of miles apart. What about your ten year-old nephew? He looks up to you -- he has no father for that. What of the family line? You are the only male. Even my name Madison H. B. IV, is of male descent. And even if I can throw all of that out of my mind and focus on myself, what of how I will feel during transition, and how will people see me? Small towns in MN are notorious for their cliquey and closed-doors demeanor to outsiders, or people who are different (think Main Street by Sinclair Lewis.) Could I, somebody so attuned to and affected by the opinions of others brave that journey? I'm a man of little money, so I doubt I could ever "pass" as female with very few surgical or therapeutic options available to me.

But I don't know if I can avoid it anymore, either. I think about it every day, but it comes in waves in its severity. Right before I came out to my family and one friend, two years ago, I had tried to kill myself. My life was in so much conflict, and I'm beginning to experience that same frustration again. My parents have already warned me that if I don't get better soon, they'll be taking me to some sort of clinic for my depression (I'm already "lightly" medicated.) And all this time, I know my youth is ticking away. I know that it gets harder to transition as you age. I have deep regrets that I couldn't convince myself to come out pre-adolescence, but I was just a kid. I didn't know.

So, in short, I'm terrified. Terrified of considering transitioning -- I'll lose friends, my beautiful girlfriend (thinking of the pain it would cause her is heart-wrenching, of course), possibly the respect of my nephew, and other strained relationships. I'm terrified of NOT transitioning -- will the thoughts go away, subside with age? Or will they continue, in the manner in which they already have, increasing in severity, until I, God forbid, end myself.

I apologize for the long post -- I know I am no special snowflake on these boards. This is not a unique experience -- but I had to indulge my late-night melancholic self. I'm not sure what I'm looking for in terms of replies: perhaps advice as to what I need to do? Is there a way to lessen this pain of dysphoria, will it fade, or is it possible to not transition? That very well may be unanswerable, but I ask it regardless. Any advice would be wonderful -- I'm nearing the end of my rope.

Sorry if this hastily written post seems cold and devoid of emoticons -- I just had to get it all out there!

Regards,

Madison
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MadisonMN
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Julia-Madrid

Hi Madison

Welcome here.  A great name, by the way, and it will save you soooo much hassle since you don't need to change it!  (My real name is gender-neutral - it's such a help!)

Well, miss, your story is a classic textbook case, or probably a number of cases.  So many of us have been through exactly your story, and it's as scary as hell.

The feelings of guilt and fear are so very understandable.  I was frankly terrified, and let me tell you something, the sense of not wanting to be ridiculous, to not stand out, to be a conventional person - these are major obstacles.  BUT, they are truly only obstacles in your mind, and once you find the strength to overcome them, you may be astonished at how easy it will be.

I don't generally mix my biography and experience into replies to posts such as yours, but here are a few observations.  I really wanted to transition in my 20s, but was terrified by what people would think, and what the outcome would be.  I waited until my 40s.  And surprisingly, when I did finally take the plunge it all went like clockwork.  My family was shocked but totally supportive, I have lost no friends, my work life is pretty good, and I am finally free!  The sense of the ridiculous was my sense of the ridiculous, and it just disappeared.  My little nephews are a similar age to your nephew, and they adapted just fine - kids have very plastic minds.

Truly you will find a lot more acceptance and curiosity from people than you expect. Apart from the occasional idiot, most educated people are utterly in awe of  us for taking control and forming our lives the way we need. 

I won't deny that it has challenges, but a huge part of being a trans woman is attitude, and the rest is physical or just hard work.  But again, once you take the plunge, so many of these things just come naturally.  In the space of 6 months I went from boy to girl and people who meet me don't realise a thing, and I'm not delusional, I can promise you! 

I cannot say that I regret the 20 years that elapsed between wanting to transition and doing it - I made a reasonable success of my life - but at the same time I see younger women and do realise that I've missed that particular boat.  Not a burning regret, but a tinge.  So think carefully - you're young, and the opportunity is there for your taking, with an entire life ahead of you.  With the most sincere respect, I believe that you should not worry about your long distance relationship:  it would be great if it survives, but if it doesn't, there will be others.   And, from my personal experience, it's far worse to end up divorced in your 40s with all the collateral damage that entails than it is to be true to yourself from the outset, while you are definitely young enough to become who you are and then find the correct relationship to match the real Madison.

In summary, your biggest obstacle is most likely to be your own fear.  Once you overcome that you will be astonished by what is possible.

Hope this helps.

Hugs
Julia
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MadisonMN

Thanks so much for the response, Julia. It really helps just having somebody to talk to, I'm now noticing. Thank you for sharing a bit of your own personal experience, it gives me a little perspective for looking at my own. Honestly, the biggest relationship I fear straining is my nephew's -- it helps to hear how well your nephews took to any change.
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treeLB

start saving money, even you never do transition, save money for it anyway.
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Julia-Madrid

Hey Madison, you're welcome. 

Feel free to contact me outside the public forum if you'd like.  I am helping a few people informally, and it's often useful to be able to deal with some of the complex stuff in a private context. 

Hugs
Julia
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Jessica_Rainshadow

Quote from: MadisonMN on January 21, 2015, 01:57:02 AM

Growing up, I've always been the sort of person that emphatically cared what people thought of me. I can recall, in my mother's voice, countless times of, "Stop worrying about what other people think!" But, alas, I care. I care a lot. And that's the fear that I'm sure others have when it comes to thoughts of transitioning. What will people think of me? What will they say? How will my family feel? What about my nephew? My niece? My friends? My doctor, my neighbor, my mailman, my baker? The thoughts of sometimes inconsequential people in our lives are tremendous and impactful. Perhaps they rule my life, but it's been an alright life.


I have these same thoughts  a lot. I freak out when I think about coming out to people close to me. It's hard to imagine how it will all work. However, I do have to say that if you are out to your parents then that is a big step! And the fact that they are (at least somewhat) supportive is also a big deal. The standard answer here is to see a therapist about this, and it really is pretty much the best advice I can give you. Just take it a step at time...that's what I'm trying to do. :)
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alexbb

Amazing reply by Julia.
I found people like and respect you more rather than less. Youll be a lot happier after you come out and its infectious!! Youll love it. Good luck!!

Rachel

Hi Madison,

Take one step at a time and one day at a time.

Your girlfriend and everyone else will have an opportunity to make up their own mind. You are not responsible for their actions, you are responsible for your own actions.

You have felt and continue to feel female and the feeling is getting stronger in time. You want to transition but you are afraid. You do not know what to do but you do know you do not want to hurt "anyone". I put anyone in quotes because you are hurting yourself. It will not go away and if you are not honest and get help but instead hide and lie you will really hurt others. Trust me on this because that is what I did. When it finally comes out 5, 10 or 20 years from now the impact will be much greater.

Transition is a journey,

hugs,

Cynthia


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MadisonMN

Thanks for all the encouragement, folks :) I'm planning on seeing some sort of counseling soon. I'll take that "one step at a time" advice to heart.
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rachel89

One of the questions I had ( and still have occasionally is "Am I crazy." You seem that you are transgender in some way (IMO TG can be anyone from drag queen  and cross dresser to Transsexual ) You don't seem crazy (and if even you were, being "crazy" doesn't necessarily mean that a person isn't trans) My advice is that if you are happier living a woman then be the woman  who you are. If you go too deep into the "am I crazy?" question, it can cause you a tremendous amount of pain becuase you will be afraid to be yourself. 


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Katelyn

I'm 32 and I'm already regretting not getting things settled at a younger age.  Once you go past 30, life accelerates faster and IMO you don't have the freedom of time like you did before 30, because the choices have to be more careful (years spent in something start to matter more because the amount of available time in your life feels more significant than when your young.)  Women also have it harder because youth slips away and some can hide it till 45, but after that aging starts to accelerate.
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Jason C

Hey Madison, welcome to the forum.

It's a terrifying thought, people's reactions, transitioning, etc. There's so much uncertainty, so many what ifs, that there's always going to be a fear of what may or may not happen. But the question you need to ask yourself is this: Can you live, happily, as you are now? If the answer is no, as it sounds like it might be, you only have two options. You live as you are and not feel content. Or you try to find a path that makes you happy, whatever that may be.

I don't know what it's like where you live, so I can't give you any advice on how to handle the reactions of people where you live, except the opinions of strangers don't matter. But your girlfriend...well, to a lot of people, if they're in love with someone, they've fallen in love with the person, not their sex/gender. A lot of people are willing to stay with, or at the very least try to stay with, the person they love, because the important things about them are still the same. As for your nephew, it's surprising how accepting kids can be. A lot of kids have no problem with it. They may not completely understand what it means, but they can understand the general idea and they're usually fine with it. You can be a role model even if you're a woman and your nephew is a boy. People can be role models regardless, and a boy doesn't need a father figure to do well in life, as long as the people in their life love and support them and teach them how to be a good person.

It's all stuff you have to realise and decide for yourself, and of course it's scary, but often it's the first step that's the hardest.
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Katelyn

Quote from: rachel89 on January 22, 2015, 02:22:56 AM
One of the questions I had ( and still have occasionally is "Am I crazy." You seem that you are transgender in some way (IMO TG can be anyone from drag queen  and cross dresser to Transsexual ) You don't seem crazy (and if even you were, being "crazy" doesn't necessarily mean that a person isn't trans) My advice is that if you are happier living a woman then be the woman  who you are. If you go too deep into the "am I crazy?" question, it can cause you a tremendous amount of pain becuase you will be afraid to be yourself.

From WebMD:

QuoteHave you found yourself typing "Am I crazy?" into Google or asking Siri? You probably got back a patchwork of results, from online "sanity tests" to mental health forums.

Fortunately, most people who do such searches aren't actually going "crazy," as in developing delusions, paranoia, or hallucinations, says Gerald Goodman, PhD, an emeritus professor of psychology at UCLA.

"Believing that you are going crazy is a good clue that you are sane," he says.

When someone is developing a serious mental illness with psychosis, such as schizophrenia, they usually don't know it. "Part of 'crazy' is getting away from reality," Goodman says.

Marty Livingston, PhD, a New York psychologist and author, agrees. "They're not aware of the difference between a feeling and a fact," he says.
- http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/am-i-crazy
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MadisonMN

Thanks for all the replies, and advice. I definitely need to consider one or two questions going forward these next few days. This is the first time I've legitimately confronted this side of me that didn't just result in denial. I'll keep all this in mind.  :)
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Curious

You should consider seeing a doc for this. It would be best to get on some mild form of AA, to slow or stop further male characteristics, if everything checks out. It should be a middle ground with minimum feminizing effects. You can always go from there or stop within a few months if you don't like it.
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JoanneB

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on January 21, 2015, 02:33:13 AM
In summary, your biggest obstacle is most likely to be your own fear.  Once you overcome that you will be astonished by what is possible.
I'll second, and third this

Much of the fear comes from ignorance. You cannot know the future, much less control it. You also seem not to have too much of a clue about where you currently are in the vast spectrum of GD, which also leaves you clueless on options or ideas on how to mange your GD.

I have no doubt you have GD. So how bad? Transition or die bad? Wished you were born a girl bad? Don't like being a guy and dealing with guy b/s bad? Occasionally like to feel and look like a girl bad? Or.....?

I put 50+ years into being a "Normal" guy. I hope, pray, I can keep it up. Over the decades I tried various things to help manage my GD by mostly fighting it or to some some extent denying it. For the past six years I've been trying a totally different approach of embracing it, with far better results.

My TG group and a couple of special angels there helped me in turning my life around for the better, starting with how I think of myself. I didn't have low self esteem, I had a negative self esteem. Shame over being trans, for being a mistake, for having to lie and bury such a major part of me was the major cause. Being a living room filled with other people whose life stories and innermost feelings were almost identical to my own totally floored me. It took a few years before I was back to living in an area where a for real gender therapist wasn't a 3-4 hour drive away. However even a TG friendly generalist a mere 90 miles away still helped me. Plenty of other baggage related and the result of being TG for even a generalist to keep busy with for a long time.

Don't be afraid to experiment. Let your mind go wild thinking of all the possibilities for you. This world is not binary. Just because you are TG does not mean the one true path to happiness is a full social transition. It may mean that in the future, maybe. It may also mean the occasional escape from maleness is all you need
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AveryAsh

I can think of no greater example to set for your nephew than to be true to yourself.  Those we look up to most in history are those who took the biggest risk, perceived or not.  My husband just took that risk and came out to me as transgender a few days ago after almost 15 years of marriage.  Until now, I have never seen him truly happy due to his fear of telling and losing me.  But ultimately, I do believe that if you love someone, you will value their happiness above your own possible discomfort or confusion.  And in reality?  I am more excited to get to know and see the real him (or her, but we're not quite there yet) blossom and finally get to experience a conflict free, healthy existence where he can embrace life instead of doing everything possible not to. 

I agree that life gets more complicated and constricting as the years go on...  I feel fortunate to be in our 30's.

I would have been destroyed if at the end of our lives I found out that he chose not to tell me so he could live an unfulfilled life for me, and not for him.  Trying to live for someone else isn't fair to anyone.

Sending you thoughts of strength and self-worth!   


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Mara

Hi Madison,

You remind me of myself in many ways. I've decided to pursue transitioning. When it comes to worrying about what people will think of you, it is important to realize that the people who would judge and discriminate against you are in the wrong. I also worried about that, but what I've realized is that we often put more stock into other people's opinions than they deserve. From my perspective, having to live with gender dysphoria is horribly debilitating, and people who would not support and accept or at least tolerate you simply lack empathy and compassion.

What I have realized is that nothing anyone says or does to me could be worse than how I treated myself. I had thoughts of suicide for over a decade. It is terrifying to transition. I myself am terrified, but we should not have to live with this suffering.

Yes, you might lose your girlfriend over this, but trust me, staying in a relationship where you have to repress it is very unpleasant, and it will be easier to break things off early than to get really involved with someone or even engaged/married. From what I can tell, the dysphoric feelings don't go away. They might even get worse as time goes on, especially since the body can often undergo virilization rapidly around your age (i.e. male pattern baldness).
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MadisonMN

QuoteMuch of the fear comes from ignorance. You cannot know the future, much less control it. You also seem not to have too much of a clue about where you currently are in the vast spectrum of GD, which also leaves you clueless on options or ideas on how to mange your GD.

I have no doubt you have GD. So how bad? Transition or die bad? Wished you were born a girl bad? Don't like being a guy and dealing with guy b/s bad? Occasionally like to feel and look like a girl bad? Or.....?

Thanks for the reply, Joanne. This is exactly what I'm going to figure out -- I'll be scheduling some counseling this week to try explore my options. I guess I don't know how bad it is, I have no real frame of reference, but I'm certainly not happy.

QuoteI would have been destroyed if at the end of our lives I found out that he chose not to tell me so he could live an unfulfilled life for me, and not for him.  Trying to live for someone else isn't fair to anyone.

Thanks for the reply, AveryAsh. When I told my girlfriend about this a couple days ago she was shocked at first, but she was talking to me today and had this same supportive reaction. It's been an enormous load off my mind.
QuoteYou remind me of myself in many ways. I've decided to pursue transitioning. When it comes to worrying about what people will think of you, it is important to realize that the people who would judge and discriminate against you are in the wrong. I also worried about that, but what I've realized is that we often put more stock into other people's opinions than they deserve. From my perspective, having to live with gender dysphoria is horribly debilitating, and people who would not support and accept or at least tolerate you simply lack empathy and compassion.

Thanks for the support, Mara :) I guess I'll just need to learn to block out those that discriminate. Easier said than done.

Thanks everyone, you've been awesome.
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