Excuse my English skill.everyone. Well ,I'm really upset if there is anything can exchange let me  pass ,nothing i won't  reserve for myself ,I willing to give up everything to get a feminine look .As a tall Asian Chinese (180cm ) I got looked up a lot .....without a female face  ,there is no way i can hide .Previously i had post a topic ask to review of my photos ,I'm thankful for those who give good adviser to me :
I have follow the adviser :
1.Hair style : I'm growing my hair now .It's keep growing longer and longer ..when is enough to made a desire .i will go to the salon
2.Eye brown : I already went to salon plucked into a female shape .
3.Facial hair removal : I had already on my hair removal session ,I had my first laser session 3 weeks ago,the next one will be on Feb .look forward  it
I have taking care of non-surgical steps now 

I also sent my pics to Dr cheattwaut  to review my photo ....ask his opinion about my FFS ....He point several point : 
Forehead/ brow ridge bone contouring, Forehead augmentation, Upper eyelid surgery, Feminizing rhinoplasty + alarplasty, Jaw and Chin contouring,

OOOOOOO,really ,Do i really need that much ? My forehead and my nose actually never get any complaints.However i do agree i need fix my chain and jaw .they look quite masculine  ....

I update some of new picturess ,I kindly ask sisters please take look those new photos ,what part of my face need to be consider have FFS first and what is second(My thought was the chain and jaw need to go first .However i don't hate my forehead and noise ) .......and the price of charge  of DR cheattwaut give to me was really high.I was though that Thailand use to be so affordable...any info are welcomed !

please click  http://theofromtheocean.blogspot.co.nz/2015/01/photos-update.html
too see my photos

                                  Miss O   

Hi Honey,

You are very cute! HRT will change quite your features a lot so I would be a little careful about running into FFS before changes occur. Your facial fat and muscle will change.

I do not mean this in any disparaging way, but surgeons, ALL surgeons are running a business and may have a tendency to suggest the top end changes that you may not need. That said Dr Cheattawutt is a very good surgeon with an excellent reputation, but none of them are 'cheap'. If they are cheap don't walk away, run away.

I agree with Cindy, HRT will make quite the difference. Maybe hold off on the surgery for a while. You should come to Australia, the other day I saw a 190cm Chinese girl on the train and no one was looking at her at all. We have a lot of tall women in Australia, trans or not.

Quote from: Cindy on January 26, 2015, 01:28:17 AM
Hi Honey,

You are very cute! HRT will change quite your features a lot so I would be a little careful about running into FFS before changes occur. Your facial fat and muscle will change.

I do not mean this in any disparaging way, but surgeons, ALL surgeons are running a business and may have a tendency to suggest the top end changes that you may not need. That said Dr Cheattawutt is a very good surgeon with an excellent reputation, but none of them are 'cheap'. If they are cheap don't walk away, run away.

Well saying ! Cindy.You are correct .Even thought Dr Cheattawutt earned good reputation.but he is a business person ,The purpose of business is getting money.so Maximize the profits is what they want

Quote from: Ms Grace on January 26, 2015, 02:18:28 AM
I agree with Cindy, HRT will make quite the difference. Maybe hold off on the surgery for a while. You should come to Australia, the other day I saw a 190cm Chinese girl on the train and no one was looking at her at all. We have a lot of tall women in Australia, trans or not.

Thanks Grace .I will talk to my DR about back to HRT  soon.

welcome all of the adviser & options

I'd have to say that before I started HRT I was adamant I wanted FFS for a female face. In reading a lot of what others had written about FFS, I have decided to wait before reconsidering it again.

In the 15 or so months since I've been on HRT I have noticed many changes to my face. Some subtle, some quite obvious and dramatic. So my advice to you would be to not be so hasty to consider FFS so early on. Give the HRT a chance to round out your face, lose any facial muscles, plump up your lips, cheeks and so on. If you have FFS too early during at the start of your HRT and later on further changes occur as a result of HRT, then your face may turn out weird and you'll end up wanting more FFS to 'correct' your face a second time.

It's not cheap, so why waste your money on something that might not eventually be necessary?

Quote from: Leila on January 27, 2015, 05:27:26 AM
If you have FFS too early during at the start of your HRT and later on further changes occur as a result of HRT, then your face may turn out weird and you'll end up wanting more FFS to 'correct' your face a second time.

Explain yourself, how does forehead reconstruction to remove your brow bossing, in any way, shape or form make you look weird? Or how does shaving the overly square chin and masculine jaw make you weird? Or removing the hump on the nose? Or does the removal of adams apple also make you weird?
Wanting more FFS to correct previous work happens because ladies doesn't do their homework and research, and choose to go to the surgeon who is not capable to resolve their "problems"...

Quote from: mmmmm on January 27, 2015, 06:16:05 AM
Explain yourself, how does forehead reconstruction to remove your brow bossing, in any way, shape or form make you look weird? Or how does shaving the overly square chin and masculine jaw make you weird? Or removing the hump on the nose? Or does the removal of adams apple also make you weird?
Wanting more FFS to correct previous work happens because ladies doesn't do their homework and research, and choose to go to the surgeon who is not capable to resolve their "problems"...

HRT will generally soften the angular features off of a male skull to an extent, but having too early a drastic FFS and then letting HRT come into effect could skew the finely tuned aesthetics as envisioned by the FFS surgeon. I don't want to go for revision surgery for that.

In my case I wanted forehead contouring, a trachea shave, some rhinoplasty, double eye lid surgery, and buccal pad removal, but you know what I am patient enough to wait. I am glad I did.

For a start I really thought I needed the double fold eye lid surgery and get it done along with the forehead contouring and brow lift. My Asian monolids that I was stressing about are all but a distant memory. My eyes opened out and I now have double fold eyelids. Procedure now not needed.

The subcutaneous fat in my neck has largely hidden my adams apple and it is barely recognisable. Only visible when I have to rarely try and talk in a low voice and never when I use my female voice. Procedure now not needed and no risk to my vocal cords through trachea shave.

I still have visible buccal muscle pads in my jaw area and although it has greatly reduced I am hopeful it will reduce some more over time.

So... to answer your question, in my case there are three of the listed problem areas I thought I wanted to deal with just from HRT that has softened up or become no longer necessary just because I have given the hormones time to work.

So that only leaves the forehead contouring for my brow bone and the rhinoplasty. Actually since I started transitioning I plucked my brows in a much more feminine arch and shape. The skin on my forehead has softened and is a lot less wrinkled (thickening of collagen or facial muscle loss?). Through a combination of all of these I'm not really that much bothered about the brow bossing or brow lift anymore. The nose still looks out with a slight hook, but that too I think I can live with for now, HRT has slendered down the width of my nose.

In all the above areas that I found issue with myself, I eventually either came to terms with it or the HRT softened it down such that when I do later on make a decision for FFS once all the changes that HRT will do have stabilised, the list isn't going to be so long or the amount of work required will be as much.

I only offered my opinion as I was asked in the case of the OP with her photos and I am sorry to have triggered you to write the above quoted. I have no idea what you look like. But hey if you have the money and want to go do it asap, then go for it.

As in anything to do with transitioning YMMV.

Quote from: mmmmm on January 27, 2015, 06:16:05 AM
Explain yourself, how does forehead reconstruction to remove your brow bossing, in any way, shape or form make you look weird? Or how does shaving the overly square chin and masculine jaw make you weird? Or removing the hump on the nose? Or does the removal of adams apple also make you weird?
Wanting more FFS to correct previous work happens because ladies doesn't do their homework and research, and choose to go to the surgeon who is not capable to resolve their "problems"...

There's a reason most people will say to wait 2 years before considering FFS or even a BA, because HRT will cause changes that may render some procedures unneeded or require that they be revised - Leila has just given some great examples of them.

As another example, if I'd gone out and got a brow lift straight off, after about 18 months on hormones, I'd have been looking at a revision.

Leila. I'm happy for you that you have found yourself in the comfortable place with all of your facial features. Seems like you had quite a bit of luck as far as HRT effected your features. Majority don't have any really significant change due to the HRT related changes, other than rounder and overall softer appearance of the masculine jaw. The changings of the noses are a bit of a fairytale, as true reality is most transwomen have very masculine noses, until fixed, which often destroy other overall either acceptable or even beautiful features. Not even 50 years of hrt will change a horrendous nose into a beautiful one.

I had barely visable adams apple once, few years ago, before I started HRT... HRT did quite a lot in that department, first: majority of my neck muscles shrunk down or went away somewhere, and second: most of the fat tissue deposit that I had in neck area did the same as other fat tissue did in my upper body. It happily went on my thighs and hips... Suddenly after around 1 year of HRT my adams apple became very very prominent, to the point that it was the thing that got me clocked. And other than rather small breast, it was the only thing that would get me clocked. We fixed that.

Lucky you if you don't need FFS now or ever. You saved quite a lot of money. However FFS is not always about NEED. For many trans girls and women it's about WANT. I didn't need it, but I definitely wanted it. I never had any masculine features, what was there were androgynous features. So I went for it, and basically deleted any single trace of androgynous from my face. Was it worth the pain and money? F*** yeah! Every tear any every single penny.

Removal of masculine features from your face doesn't make you look weird, it makes you look more feminine.. HRT before or after only helps. In the hands of the right surgeon who knows what he doing, addition of fat, or/and softening doesn't really matter. Even if you gain 50kg after having FFS, will not make you look weird, only really fat, but the feminine features of facial structure will still remain.



To the OP OneWorld... Send a request for evaluation also to some other FFS surgeons. You may hear a different opinion, that could be helpful. Also I didn't ever saw a single good FFS result from dr. Chettawut. I have seen mostly average, and some quite honestly bad. Could I be wrong, and there are hundreds of amazing results that are not shared online because of privacy and/or stealth? Shure. What can be found online, on his page, forums, groups is far from amazing. That's strictly my subjective opinion, and could be very wrong.