I have a question about why men pee standing up while women sit down. Is it because of the genitalia differences and it's easier/convenient to do it that way or is it just simply a part of the social construction of gender?  By the way, I am not referring to anything transgender here but I didn't know where to put this topic at.

I don't know, great question.  Male and female animals urinate differently too. Let's hang out while the panel of experts figures this out.

Woman -> to not pee on themselves
Men -> better to pee on somthing.

Outside of humanity pee that is its pheremones and/or stink is used for marking teritory so males more often then not cock legs to pee on variouse things to creat a phremone picket fence saying I live here this is mine.

Females pee is used to anounce their presence and if they are on heat it is distinks in their pee. (Pee is a large part of partener finding out side of humanity.

With humans though we no longer use these pheremones (or preffer not to) and so pee becomes completelly desposable. So in humans I would say the difference is more convienience. And in animals more due to how pee pheramoans are used.

That said my old fem doggy, cocked her leg, and I have seen male dogs squat.
So my advise is, if you don't have a hose and don't want it on yourself sit down.

Just asumption not fact, but still my two cents

I will of course never be able to find it out for myself personally but is it actually difficult to pee sitting if the person has a bio penis?  Is it convenient to position it to the toilet bowl while sitting down?  It makes me teary eyed just asking this question...

  Many men seem to treat it as a superiority behavior.  I've heard repeated often by men "You're not a man if you sit" like as if you're a wimp or submissive, or worse "a woman".  It seems to be a bizarre ego thing since toilets were always meant for sitting, and standing at one causes all sorts of messy splashing on and around the toilet.  Quite frankly I'm getting sick and tired of finding four out of five seats pissed on in the public men's washroom at work just because a lot of men have an ego problem.  The only time I will use a urinal any longer is if the toilets are too disgusting.  I realize that women aren't always the cleanest but ever since I've started using the women's washrooms when I'm presenting female I've yet to encounter a seat in such a condition as I wouldn't sit on it.  I seriously look forward to the day I go full-time because the toilets are going to be better in the women's washrooms 99.9% of the time.

  It really isn't difficult for anyone with a "bio penis" to pee sitting.  I'm not saying every male has an ego issue - whatever you learned as a kid seems to have more of an effect on the habit.  Overall a cultural shift is due so that parents can instill the correct behavior in their children.  The only reason a toilet seat is supposed to hinge-up is for cleaning purposes!!!

I would occasionally end up dipping the head of my penis in cold water, which was unpleasant. Doesn't happen since HRT. Also, standing doesn't require that you undress quite so much. When naked and in the woods squating is of no benefit to humans with penises if you're only peeing.

I've tried standing a couple of times, when I've been on long walks in remote areas, and there's something just so much more satisfying about it. Probably though, that's because I see it as something men do. It would be interesting to know when / how this started. Maybe because toilets weren't considered clean enough to sit on at some point, so if you could stand you would?

Quote from: makipu on January 31, 2015, 04:37:06 PM
I will of course never be able to find it out for myself personally but is it actually difficult to pee sitting if the person has a bio penis?  Is it convenient to position it to the toilet bowl while sitting down?  It makes me teary eyed just asking this question...

No not at all I peed sitting for 17 years before my srs. Now itv pretty much mandatory post srs. Men pee standing up cause a) its "what men do" and b) its convenient and faster. No need to pull down pants.

Sit-down toilets are a relatively recent invention. In many parts of the world, they're still basically a hole in the floor, maybe with somewhere "official" to put one's feet, and squatting is the norm for women and for anyone doing #2. Standing is far more comfortable than squatting, so why wouldn't a person stand to pee if they were equipped to do so?

Bonus factoid: In Victorian and earlier times, European and American women wore no underwear beneath all those skirts and petticoats. They could, and did, "go" anywhere (outdoors) easily, and in complete modesty.

Males just have to unzip, reach in (with thumb and forefinger*), pull it out and whizz.

Then stuff it back in (after shaking it to get the last dribble or two out..."if you shake it more than twice, you're playing with it!").

Easy-breezy.

*Most cis-women that I've talked to seem to think holding a penis to pee requires two hands...not sure where they got that idea, but generally when flaccid it only requires two, at most three fingers (including the thumb). Because it is relatively short, accidentally dunking it in the water when sitting requires both an extra-long penis (a"show-er") as well as deep water in the bowl.

Yes, one can pee when erect...but it has to be held straight out, one can't pee on the shoes with that.

Hope this helps understand some aspects of male urination LOL.

Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 31, 2015, 05:24:23 PM
Males just have to unzip, reach in (with thumb and forefinger*), pull it out and whizz.

Then stuff it back in (after shaking it to get the last dribble or two out..."if you shake it more than twice, you're playing with it!").

Easy-breezy.

*Most cis-women that I've talked to seem to think holding a penis to pee requires two hands...not sure where they got that idea, but generally when flaccid it only requires two, at most three fingers (including the thumb). Because it is relatively short, accidentally dunking it in the water when sitting requires both an extra-long penis (a"show-er") as well as deep water in the bowl.

Yes, one can pee when erect...but it has to be held straight out, one can't pee on the shoes with that.

Hope this helps understand some aspects of male urination LOL.

I don't know about that. Around here you get seventy five shakes!   

Quote from: Tysilio on January 31, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
Sit-down toilets are a relatively recent invention. In many parts of the world, they're still basically a hole in the floor, maybe with somewhere "official" to put one's feet, and squatting is the norm for women and for anyone doing #2. Standing is far more comfortable than squatting, so why wouldn't a person stand to pee if they were equipped to do so?

Bonus factoid: In Victorian and earlier times, European and American women wore no underwear beneath all those skirts and petticoats. They could, and did, "go" anywhere (outdoors) easily, and in complete modesty.

The no underwear is fascinating, but it makes complete sense.  No sit-down toilets are still common in many places in the world.  Like Japan.

I do find it interesting that in the western world, every men's washroom that was not single stall has a urinal, but you would never see one is someones home.  To some degree it has become part of the culture.

Quote from: JoanneB on January 31, 2015, 04:24:56 PM
Because it is not (yet) illegal?

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,182312.0.html

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It's easy to over think this and I think the answer is pretty obvious if you consider the differences in anatomy that the majority of men and women have.

Most men urinate while standing because it's quicker and more convenient it's also a lot easier to be discreet in places where there aren't any restrooms plus wiping isn't always necessary if you can shake it off. And contrary to what the Swedish Left believes it's actually more sanitary for the individual to stand up and urinate because there aren't any chances of accidentally dunking your junk in the toilet water or having your junk come into contact with things like a dirty toilet seat when you're standing.

Given the anatomy of a majority of women, urinating while standing is much less convenient because the ladies would have to remove a significant amount of clothing to do so. Squatting puts a lot of stress on the bladder and other organs too and it's necessary for women to wipe afterwards so it's easier to just sit in that case.

I don't think the physical act of urinating standing up vs. urinating while sitting is a social construct at all but the importance people place on each act is.

A lot of men do seem to view urinating while standing as superior to sitting down and I have a theory about that. At a very young age most boys urinate while sitting until they master being able to stand to urinate. For that reason, I think some men tend to view others who sit to urinate as being immature or below them because it seems like they can't understand how to urinate like a grown man. Men also apply this to women too who are sometimes already juvenilized thanks to something known as neoteny so the fact that women urinate while sitting like very young boys do just reinforces the unconscious idea that women are more juvenile than men.

But now I'm starting to over think it.

Men pee standing up because it is quick, easy and fast. When men are doing #2 they most often pee too.

When I pee seated I need to pay close attention because I am very small and I need to position so I do not make a mess and I have to use TP.

At work a men's room typically has 2 urinals and 1 toilet or have 2 urinals and 5 toilets. I have only a few times seen pee on a toilet seat at work in 28 years.

I stood for many years. However, I always found it to be uncomfortable standing next to another guy at the urinals. Eventually I got tired of frequently getting splashes on my trousers or getting the last spurt in them after tucking if back in.

I started sitting over 17 years ago and found it to be more relaxing and comfortable in spite of taking a little longer.  The biggest problem is finding enough stalls in most men's restrooms, frequently only one. Once I started sitting I never stood again. Now I have become pareniod of standing and never (not under any circumstances except in the shower) consider the possibility of standing.

I doubt that it is mothers who teach boys to stand.

My wife knows that I sit at home and has seen me sit when we have gone in single user facilities when out. I don't what she thinks about it as she has never commented about it. I guess she approves and maybe even approves of it at home.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 31, 2015, 05:54:54 PM
I don't know about that. Around here you get seventy five shakes!   

Many hands make light work!

I heard a discussion among some mothers who all said they taught their boys to pee sitting down because it was so much easier to keep the bathroom clean. On the same note, i hate squat toilets (like in Japan) because they always stink from pee that has missed the target (even in the female toilets).

I remember doggie-sitting a female who would do a handstand against telephone poles in order to pee higher.

If you don't ever plan srs, then think about a transcrotal piercing.   I have one with a corset and basically have my penis tucked between my legs all the time.  Then the corset piercings hides it.  Sitting to pee is no problem then when the head sits where a woman's urine comes out;)  I've had this for a few years and it releases srs plus get to keep penis for wife!

Being 6'5" peeing standing up at a toilet never seemed like a good idea. I've been sitting since I was young. Maybe I was lazy, but sitting down is easier than standing up. That being said, at work, in a porta-john, I only sit if I have to. lol.