Transgender inmates to be housed based on self-identified gender

BY Jenny Yuen, Toronto Sun
Jan 26, 2015

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/26/transgender-inmates-to-be-housed-based-on-self-identified-gender

TORONTO - Transgender inmates in Ontario jails will now be housed according to their self-identified gender and not based on physical sexual traits, the province announced Monday.

The new policies now in effect mean wherever possible trans inmates will be referred to by their preferred name, integrated into the general population and not isolated, get to keep personal items — including prosthetics — necessary to express their gender, and have the option of choosing to be searched in frisk searches by a male or female correctional officer or both.

Oh, Canada! 

The lesson here, don't break the law.

That sounds like a scary proposition anyway you look at it. I can understand why an inmate might not want to be in isolation, but it opens a whole host of problems. I'm an F to M transgender, done back in '89 when the surgical procedures left something to be desired. An xy male has to worry about being sodomized or forced cop, but someone like me could be raped, sodomized, castrated or have all my genitalia removed, and I doubt there would be anyone there to stop it.

Regardless of what an inmate has done, they are still people and should be treated with respect, and that includes their "brain gender". Putting a person with a male body who identifies with the female gender would be psychological torture. I'm sure there are those who would say it wasn't fair to the other inmates who might feel uncomfortable dressing, showering etc. in front of an inmate with a male body. If the inmate's brain gender is female, they aren't going to be "checking out" the other women inmates. They deserve to be treated as the gender they identify with.

Sam1234

Quote from: sam1234 on February 07, 2015, 10:23:38 AM
... If the inmate's brain gender is female, they aren't going to be "checking out" the other women inmates. They deserve to be treated as the gender they identify with.

Sam1234

Unless they're lesbians, but, then again, no one worries that much about the cis lesbians in prison, either.

they will change it back when the ftm are getting used along with the mtf. a ftm in a male prison would have to be one tough cookie. you can see so many bad sides to it. you will have to forgive me as im mtf but if ftm still have vagina and you place them in a prison full of testosterone fueled men then you work it out.

Quote from: jody2015 on February 07, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
they will change it back when the ftm are getting used along with the mtf. a ftm in a male prison would have to be one tough cookie. you can see so many bad sides to it. you will have to forgive me as im mtf but if ftm still have vagina and you place them in a prison full of testosterone fueled men then you work it out.

Personally, if I had to go to prison, I would take isolation. Sodomy is a given, and would be bad enough, but rape would be devestating (vaginal rape as opposed to rectal rape), and there is enough hate and violence in prison that someone removing the entire package would be a real possibility. Since F to M's bone structure is lighter than an xy male's, no amount of weight lifting would help the F to M, and I seriously doubt they'd get any help from the guards.

Sam1234

lets be honest a ftm in a male prison is not going to have a good time. you can forget respect inside. dont know how a mtf would fair.

this thread tho...

Quote from: jody2015 on February 08, 2015, 01:58:59 PM
lets be honest a ftm in a male prison is not going to have a good time. you can forget respect inside. don't know how a mtf would fair.

An MTF, whether whether pre or post SRS, whould not fare well in a male prison. However, she would probably be considered as a threat to others in a female prison if she was pre SRS. How are they to decide?

well mtf post op i would guess goes to a female prison but pre op well the only thing i can think of is if they are on hrt and it is working then in a female prison they would be better off as as a male they arnt going to function. whether they would be accepted or not is the debate. you might find the rest of the population kick off and dont want her. might also be a good thing or a bad thing being in a 100% female surroundings. going to tell if you like being female. there are some tough transgenders who would cope with it but for a struggling person you would have to stick to isolation. its complicated isnt it,glad the decision isnt down to me. also i think it depends on the level of the prison. if its a low risk open prison then might be easier but a cat a high risk place you will be in trouble. isolation is not good but is it better than being at risk and lets be honest at risk means being used.
would a pre op mtf be allowed make up ect in a male prison? would they be allowed to stay on hrt? im not sure they would as might cause a lot of upset in the population. i think which ever way round the person was put they would end up in isolation anyway.

In some cases, isolation is a choice. Say a cop breaks the law and goes to prison. They would probably want to put him in isolation rather than the general population, but the cop could probably say no.

In a situation where a M to F was incarcerated, it would probably depend on the person's crime in part. If they were violent, it wouldn't be fair to put her in the general population out of respect for the other inmates.

Where a pre-op M to F went (male prison vs female) would probably vary from state to state.

Sam1234