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Hiding my birth gender

Started by TransKaty, February 24, 2015, 08:05:38 PM

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TransKaty

This has been bothering me for a long time, is there anyway someone could find out I wasn't born a female? Like once I have breasts and a vagina? I am getting a new identity so nobody will know my birth name and all but I'm just curious because if I go out and get a boyfriend I don't want him to find out I was born "irregular".
Thank you,
I hope I didn't offend anyone I just identify as a girl and never identified as a boy.
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ImagineKate

It depends on where you live.

In NJ where I live, name changes have to be published in the newspaper. Different states have different requirements. But in many places there is a paper trail if someone looks hard enough:

Also you have to cover all of your bases. I do mean all, every last one. If you have friends and acquaintances, you need to move far away from them and cut all ties because any one of them could potentially out you. Probably your parents and family too if they can't keep a secret.

So yes that level of deep stealth is somewhat possible. But would you be willing to live like that?
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Devlyn

I've always wondered what a deep stealther does when they twist an ankle and someone else has to pick up the hormone prescriptions?
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Virginia

I'm not sure why that would be a problem. There are lots of reasons a person might be prescribed the same medications commonly used for HRT- none of them the business of whoever is picking up the order.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Devlyn

I didn't say it was a problem. I'm just pointing out how easy it would be to be outed. That is the OP's question, after all.

Hugs, Devlyn
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mac1

The new parts (whether F or M) will never look or function exactly like the respective CIS parts. Thus there could be some question. Also, for some medical or legal reasons you might have to declare your trans status.
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kelly_aus

As a PI once told me, nothing is secret if you can throw enough money at it..

And, as mentioned, in some places a name change requires a notice be published in 1 or more newspapers.. This is data that is easy enough to find online.
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Virginia

#7
(Rephrasing)
I' not sure how having someone else pick up your medication for you would out you. There are lots of reasons a person might be prescribed the same medications commonly used for HRT (ie. my uncle was on spirolactone for his blood pressure and estrogen for his prostate cancer). The medications you take and why is none of the business of of whoever is picking up the order if they even suspected why you took them.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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Devlyn

Disregard our posts and reread the OP's question. "Is there any way someone could find out?" What I'm saying is true, and answers her question.
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Virginia

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Quote from: TransKaty on February 24, 2015, 08:05:38 PMis there anyway someone could find out I wasn't born a female? Like once I have breasts and a vagina?

It depends if you are speaking practically or theoretically, how much risk you are willing to assume if the truth is discovered and if you can live with the lies you tell yourself and everyone in your world. But you can never escape the paper trial, your DNA or the shape of your spine and skull.

I am a married middle aged guy and my female alter is a 13 year old girl. We split fronting for the System 30 (her)/70 (me) and live two completely separate lives. My body has many intersexed characteristics (likely result of prenatal DES exposure); my female alter had no problems being accepted as a women preHRT and I have no problems being accepted as a guy after 5 years on a full transition level HRT regimen. It takes a tremendous amount of commitment and coordination between me and my wife and a phenomenal amount of brainpower to pull off. With two days of trauma recovery therapy a week, it would  be extremely difficult to keep up if I weren't retired. But as a survivor of childhood trauma with Dissociative identity Disorder/Multiple Personality Disorder (DID/MPD), delusion, denial, transference, self hypnosis, double think and are a way of life for me. And it has been working for over 6 years now.

A handful of people in both my female alter's and my life know I have DID/MPD. They believe the personality they know to be the System host and have no idea that opposite gender alters take turns fronting for the System. A paperwork trial links us for anyone who has nothing better to do than follow it, and my wife, stepson, Mother and the medical professionals who treat me know the complete truth. But from a functional day-to-day perspective my stealth is "complete," and we each live separate "normal" cisgender lives.

Stealth was never a choice for me; it was my only option. None of the 5 alters in my System identifies as transgender. It is vital that both my female alter and I are perceived by the people in our respective worlds as the woman/man each of us is. Any crossover in our worlds would destroy the doublethink we use to maintain the delusion of being separate people. It would be catastrophic to the Self for the boundaries that contain the feelings and memories held by each personality to break down. Hormones are vital at this stage of my recovery because of the peace chemical castration provides in knowing that once and for all the cycle of abuse has ended with me.
~VA (pronounced Vee- Aye, the abbreviation for the State of Virginia where I live)
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DragonBeer

Quote from: mac1 on February 24, 2015, 09:43:31 PM
The new parts (whether F or M) will never look or function exactly like the respective CIS parts. Thus there could be some question. Also, for some medical or legal reasons you might have to declare your trans status.

You have to absolutely out yourself with your doctors to receive the best care possible. They'll find out anyways, there's no hiding that bone structure.
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LordKAT

Possible, yes, probable, no.

I say possible because in theory, you could live 'off the grid', with no medical help until you die.
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Ara

I'd say there are a few people who need to know, but it's possible to live with just the bare minimum knowing.

1.  Your doctor needs to know.  Our biology is different, we're on medications and those facts are very, very important sometimes. 
2.  Sometimes your employer might need documents that out you.  For example, my employer needed my birth certificate so they found out about my old name and the name change.  I believe that you can get your birth sex changed on your birth certificate, but where I live your birth name stays on it.  So that could out you. 
3.  If you're on welfare or anything then they might also need your birth certificate copied. 
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1.  Whipping Girl
2.  Transfeminist Perspectives
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TransKaty

Quote from: DragonBeer on February 24, 2015, 10:31:28 PM
You have to absolutely out yourself with your doctors to receive the best care possible. They'll find out anyways, there's no hiding that bone structure.

My bone structure isn't anywhere near a mans bone structure. I bind my ribs and use a corset to push down some bones but other than that I'm pretty tiny.
Plus did anyone hear about how trans women can give birth with some kind of surgery? Only problem is it's in Europe and you will have to get a C section but you can have your own babies!!!
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TransKaty

Quote from: Ara on February 25, 2015, 03:27:09 AM
I'd say there are a few people who need to know, but it's possible to live with just the bare minimum knowing.

1.  Your doctor needs to know.  Our biology is different, we're on medications and those facts are very, very important sometimes. 
2.  Sometimes your employer might need documents that out you.  For example, my employer needed my birth certificate so they found out about my old name and the name change.  I believe that you can get your birth sex changed on your birth certificate, but where I live your birth name stays on it.  So that could out you. 
3.  If you're on welfare or anything then they might also need your birth certificate copied.
Where I live you can change your name and gender and it'll go on my birth certificate as well as taking it off public records
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suzifrommd

Quote from: TransKaty on February 24, 2015, 08:05:38 PM
This has been bothering me for a long time, is there anyway someone could find out I wasn't born a female? Like once I have breasts and a vagina? I am getting a new identity so nobody will know my birth name and all but I'm just curious because if I go out and get a boyfriend I don't want him to find out I was born "irregular".
Thank you,
I hope I didn't offend anyone I just identify as a girl and never identified as a boy.

In many places you can erase the evidence from your documentation.

However, there will still be many people who knew you pre-transition. It would depend on how confident you are that not a single one of them would ever drop a juicy secret about you, either accidentally or on purpose.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Devlyn

Quote from: TransKaty on February 25, 2015, 09:03:50 AM
Where I live you can change your name and gender and it'll go on my birth certificate as well as taking it off public records

Yes, but your doctor will know, they have to sign off on the gender change. Here are the requirements for all the documentation changes. https://www.susans.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_changes

Hugs, Devlyn
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cindy16

Quote from: TransKaty on February 25, 2015, 08:57:49 AM
Plus did anyone hear about how trans women can give birth with some kind of surgery? Only problem is it's in Europe and you will have to get a C section but you can have your own babies!!!

I don't have anything to add about going stealth, as others have already mentioned everything. But about trans women giving birth, I don't think it's been tried yet. There has been a case in Sweden where a cis woman received a uterus transplant and successfully gave birth last October, and apparently there are a few more cis women going through this procedure already. See http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29485996
However, these transplants are not 'permanent', as the uterus has to be removed after a few years to avoid complications.
Anyway, it may become possible for trans women to give birth too in a few years, but it may remain very risky and expensive.
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katiej

Quote from: TransKaty on February 25, 2015, 08:57:49 AM
Plus did anyone hear about how trans women can give birth with some kind of surgery? Only problem is it's in Europe and you will have to get a C section but you can have your own babies!!!

I'm sorry to tell you, but that's not really a thing.  Not yet anyway.  Fertility experts say that the concept of ectopic implantation is theoretically plausible for genetic males, but it would be difficult to justify because of the extreme health risks to both the parent and child.  No tests have even been done.

This is similar to using stem cells to grow a vagina.  It's plausible but not likely in the near future.  50 years from now...who knows.
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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Devlyn

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