Alyx Vox.
Honest opinion, you obviously dont pass in the pictures, but Im sure you were not trying too either.- But I can see hrt is in the mix and does help change you physically, but the main base is your mug, good news is I can see with longer hair, make up, some more rounding in the face, you could find your way to passing. Do it at your own pace, its not a fast race, its a journey you have to come through to the other side of. You can do it, stay positive. And major kudos to being brave enough to post pictures, those pics will be neat against the great pictures you have to come.  .. I look forward to that.
Love Stephee

Alyx,
One more thing your eyes are beutiful, they will be stunning when you decide on the make up.

Quote from: carmenkate on March 05, 2015, 10:54:04 PM
I was so inspired to beat my face with makeup this morning and had to take a selfie By the way, the pics on this thread blows me away - such beautiful women xoxo

April

hi beautiful I think you no longer need the do I pass thread you belong in the I look fabulous thread total pass for me you look like a beautiful woman not a pinch of your old self can be seen absolutely stunning xxoo


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Quote from: mmmmm on March 07, 2015, 05:50:25 PM
You all need to understand that different people have different pathway. What might be a comfortable scenario that many do in often similar way, is not for everyone. Some people feel comfortable with androgynous phase (hell, I had androgynous phase for all my life before transition...), some people feel comfortable with going full-time very early, (some even years before hormones) and can deal with not being passable for one or two or more years, while they do their best to learn and improve make-up, experiment with wigs and hair, etc... While some people really don't feel comfortable with even the idea of being unpassable, and choose the different path, maybe one that would follow something like this (just an example): HRT for 3-4 years, staying in completely "male mode" the whole time, without much if any trans(ition) related disruptions, staying in well paid job and saving money, slow coming-out process kept around close family & friends, completely finished all body and facial hair related issues... and then, when the time is right: Quit job, FFS, Voice surgery, SRS, breast augmentation, body feminization (+recovery time) ... follow by change of documents, relocation to a different area/city/country, and live stealth and happily ever after. I know of a few such cases, I'm shure there are many more. So different people have a different needs, and choices to make. Just because many choose to have gradual transition, from male mode, through unpassable phase, to sometimes passable, to almost passable, to really passable, it doesn't mean this is the way everybody feels comfortable with. Many don't, I also didn't. I stayed in my comfortable androgynous mode for until I finished a battle with facial hair, and until I became comfortable enough with my body, despite that I was most of the time gendered female by everyone I met. Then after I knew it's the time, I ditched my "lesbian look" (how my friends described it), went "full-time", and wasn't stared at or clocked since by anybody. I later had FFS for my own reasons, and just in case if maybe someday I want to grow bushy eyebrows, cut my hair completely short with a machine, bring out my hidden "lesbian" clothes and still be percieved as cis-female by everyone (maybe a little crazy cis-female). What I'm trying to say, what works for you, might not work for me, or someone else. The only thing that matter is to not rush anything just for the sake of doing it.. do it when you feel comfortable doing it, and in a way that you feel is the right way.

That's awful to me, I feel like people who do this type of things are cowards, I am not full time, but that's because my parents don't want me to, not because I chose to do that, and people that do that are not helping our community at all, you make it seem like it's shameful to be trans, I am not saying that you need to be up and out with everyone, but you do live a very sad and dark life that way, if you don't live your life as yoru true self for that long.

I don't think any therapist will agree with what you said, you do need experience living as a woman, you can't just hide yourself 4-5 years. To each it's own, so yeah.

Quote from: Alyssa Rae on March 07, 2015, 09:57:54 AM



Pics of me taken last night.  Four months on HRT.  Minimal makeup, just badly done eyeshadow and lipstick.  As always, any advice or constructive criticism is appreciated.  I really hope I can go full time in the near future, but I'm scared to death and really unsure if I'm really passable or people are being nice.  I take all the praise and criticism to heart.  I feel like I've really changed radically between months 3 and 4.  Both physically and emotionally.  Thank you for your input!

You're really cute, I think you pass already!

Quote from: Serena ♡ on March 07, 2015, 11:57:57 PM
That's awful to me, I feel like people who do this type of things are cowards, I am not full time, but that's because my parents don't want me to, not because I chose to do that, and people that do that are not helping our community at all, you make it seem like it's shameful to be trans, I am not saying that you need to be up and out with everyone, but you do live a very sad and dark life that way, if you don't live your life as yoru true self for that long.

I don't think any therapist will agree with what you said, you do need experience living as a woman, you can't just hide yourself 4-5 years. To each it's own, so yeah.

Definitely to each their own. Nobody is a coward here! Coming out to ourselves is hard enough especially considering the upbringings that some of us go through.

Everyone's path is unique, and there is no way to validate which one is best for all.. There is just the best path for each individual. Sometimes it is necessary to hide the beginning stages of transition for one's own safety and/or job security. And there are many other reasons why some people do it. It is completely understandable imo. Just depends on our unique situation.

Quote from: Serena ♡ on March 07, 2015, 11:57:57 PM
That's awful to me, I feel like people who do this type of things are cowards, I am not full time, but that's because my parents don't want me to, not because I chose to do that, and people that do that are not helping our community at all, you make it seem like it's shameful to be trans, I am not saying that you need to be up and out with everyone, but you do live a very sad and dark life that way, if you don't live your life as yoru true self for that long.

I don't think any therapist will agree with what you said, you do need experience living as a woman, you can't just hide yourself 4-5 years. To each it's own, so yeah.

Understand that many of us have different hurdles to overcome.

In my case I interact with staff at my kids school. Their school is a catholic school. I'm terrified of consequences for them if I just come out in the middle of the school term.  So I'm delaying going full time until their summer break where I can start fresh in the new school term.

Some of us have jobs, military service and other adult commitments to deal with, where a gender change can throw a serious wrench into things. You just turned 18. Spend some time in the adult world before passing judgement. It's not cowardice. It's reality. Believe me if you think it's bad with your mom wait until you get a boss or have to deal with people who can make your life miserable with the stroke of a pen.

As for your comment about therapists? Mine said that there may be instances where I have to present as a male and asked how I would deal with it. So "hiding" is not necessarily bad and a competent therapist is not just going to throw you out into the world with an instant gender switch and tell you to sink or swim. In my case I was encouraged to take small steps and when I gained confidence move to the next. I've come a long way this way.

Hi Everyone,
Finally worked out how to post images (I think). So anyway...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cc66hi8dm4jowrt/IMG_20150117_144700.jpg?n=352808889
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mo30s7j9sndtvrc/20150306_173729.jpg?n=352808889

Thanks in advance
Sez

Quote from: Serena ♡ on March 07, 2015, 11:57:57 PM
That's awful to me, I feel like people who do this type of things are cowards, I am not full time, but that's because my parents don't want me to, not because I chose to do that, and people that do that are not helping our community at all, you make it seem like it's shameful to be trans, I am not saying that you need to be up and out with everyone, but you do live a very sad and dark life that way, if you don't live your life as yoru true self for that long.

Honestly, it sounds as if your parents are making it seem shameful for you to be trans, and you are politely going along with it. Of course, I could be wrong, couldn't I? I don't know your situation.

And you don't know hers. But perhaps you can imagine that other people have a process different from yours. Before you go around calling people cowards, you might want to get in their shoes and walk around a bit. And if you don't have enough information to do that, then maybe you don't have enough information to be judgmental, either.

Quote from: Sarah on March 08, 2015, 01:41:57 AM
Hi Everyone,
Finally worked out how to post images (I think). So anyway...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cc66hi8dm4jowrt/IMG_20150117_144700.jpg?n=352808889
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mo30s7j9sndtvrc/20150306_173729.jpg?n=352808889

Thanks in advance
Sez

wow Sarah looking great its a pass for me xx


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Quote from: carmenkate on March 07, 2015, 03:31:41 PM
Ok dont hate me for saying this but I don't think you need FFS.
Just shaping your brows and using minimal makeup will save you lots $$$
You are beautiful, just let the hair grow and you'll be fine.

xxx

April

Thanks, but unfortunately my standards for myself are way too high. I will go for FFS no matter what.
It's not like I don't make enough money and lately I've negotiated an almost 50% increase in rates
for my upcoming freelance mission. My face is single most important thing to me, all the rest can wait.
HRT actually did a lot to my body, not so much to my face.

I'll let my hair grow of course, I actually had very long hair, but it was male hair, so I got rid of it. I'm gonna let it grow long again.

Quote from: Serena ♡ on March 07, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
Why aren't you trying make up? It's not like you need to wear the Kim Kardashian or a drag queen contouring type of make up, just something in the eyes... It sees weird for me you haven't done any attempt at feminizing, hrt are not magic pills and this is an example, while clothing, right hair, right make up, etc... Can help a lot.

Also, we can't discuss hrt dosages here, but I guess you are on a low dosage, are you full time or part time? or no time at all? One year... Oh well!

Please see above for a partial answer to your questions.

My dosage is what my lousy doctors had prescribed me. Please pm me the high dosage you're talking about and I'll share you mine.
Also, mind you I'm 30 years old. It's only natural HRT will work slower on me.

I'm not going to present myself as a woman unless I'm 90% satisfied with how I look, basically only after that "now I'm a girl" moment
and that means FFS.

Quote from: ImagineKate on March 07, 2015, 04:04:50 PM
Hi Alyx,

It's kind of hard to see with your natural hair. Do you have a wig? I am so sorry but I think the (lack of) hair will gender you male almost instantly. With the right hair your face shouldn't matter as much and it would be easier to do a proper assessment.

Also your eyebrows. Shaping them is often the single most feminizing thing one can do to a face without surgery or even hormones.

See above.

That's how I looked about a year ago.



Gained about 10 kilos since then, which sucks, but I think I do look a bit more feminine now, minus the hair.
I have the money to do a facial hair removal now. That's what I'm going to start doing sometime this month.
Luckily my body has almost zero hair now, even my legs. Well, I never was that hairy to begin with.

Quote from: Serena ♡ on March 07, 2015, 11:57:57 PM
That's awful to me, I feel like people who do this type of things are cowards, I am not full time, but that's because my parents don't want me to, not because I chose to do that, and people that do that are not helping our community at all, you make it seem like it's shameful to be trans, I am not saying that you need to be up and out with everyone, but you do live a very sad and dark life that way, if you don't live your life as yoru true self for that long.

I don't think any therapist will agree with what you said, you do need experience living as a woman, you can't just hide yourself 4-5 years. To each it's own, so yeah.

Some people have it hard enough without you calling them cowards. Mods plz say something before you have to ban me. This kind of comment breeds anger. Lots of it.

Quote from: Rotika on March 08, 2015, 06:18:25 AM
Some people have it hard enough without you calling them cowards. Mods plz say something before you have to ban me. This kind of comment breeds anger. Lots of it.

It is understandable to be put off with such a comment, but please relax as the situation is being dealt with

BTW, you look very nice 

Hugs

Quote from: Serena ♡ on March 07, 2015, 11:59:49 PM
You're really cute, I think you pass already!

Thank you!  I really appreciate it.  You're very pretty yourself. 

Quote from: Serena ♡ on March 07, 2015, 11:57:57 PM
That's awful to me, I feel like people who do this type of things are cowards, I am not full time, but that's because my parents don't want me to, not because I chose to do that, and people that do that are not helping our community at all, you make it seem like it's shameful to be trans, I am not saying that you need to be up and out with everyone, but you do live a very sad and dark life that way, if you don't live your life as yoru true self for that long.

I don't think any therapist will agree with what you said, you do need experience living as a woman, you can't just hide yourself 4-5 years. To each it's own, so yeah.

Like someone else said it before... Noone who has the courage to come-out to their family, go through transition to become their true self, isn't a coward by any means. Very opposite actually.
You are 18 and you are pre-transition... I'm shure you will learn and experience a lot more than you might expect now.

I went "full-time" when I was around 1 year on hormones, and had 11 laser sessions on my face... or with other words: when I felt comfortable enough, and knew it was the right time for me. Just because I wasn't clocked as trans by anyone, it doesn't mean I'm doing anything bad to our community by that. Luckily I didn't need to go through awkward "passing" stages, which would happen if I would go full-time earlier, without solved facial-hair issue. And I definitely don't think or try to make it seem that it's in anyway shameful to be trans. I'm young transsexual woman over transition, and I'm very proud of who I am, and very happy as I made my childhood dreams come true.

Oh dear.  Can we all just get along?

Quote from: Alyx Vox on March 08, 2015, 09:06:35 AM
I came out to my mother even before I went to a therapist. Of course she pretty much disowned me right thereafter, but that's okay as I've disowned her as well.
Since then I've lost all of my friends because of this, the only person that held on is my brother, kudos to him for that. He's the only family I have and ever will have.
I know what consequences coming out can have. I'm not risking it anymore, not right after my life actually got good: I even stand a chance now. The risk is just
not worth the reward. Once I'm "fully" transitioned I will have moved to another country to start completely fresh. Then maybe, just maybe I will be able to find happiness I never had.

I hope your plan works out.. I have a friend who was in a very similar situation as you are, and who made a choice to transition in somehow a similar way that you are going to. This is why I felt the need to write my post, as I thought some of the responses you got were maybe a little judgemental in some way. I appologize to everybody if my post created a little unnecessary stir in unplanned direction.

I have removed several post and penalties have been applied.

I will remind people - and I am shocked that people need to be reminded, that insults and harsh language to members will not be tolerated.

This is a support site. We support.

Anyone who has a problem with that will be removed from the site.

Cindy
Forum Admin.

Quote from: Sarah on March 08, 2015, 01:41:57 AM
Hi Everyone,
Finally worked out how to post images (I think). So anyway...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cc66hi8dm4jowrt/IMG_20150117_144700.jpg?n=352808889
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mo30s7j9sndtvrc/20150306_173729.jpg?n=352808889

Thanks in advance
Sez

Lol, do I know you? You remind me of somebody I used to know.
EDIT: Nevermind, you live in Australia, cannot be.