Quote from: Jill F on March 12, 2015, 08:46:21 PM
Exactly.  They remind me of a basketball team that commits a series of flagrant fouls at the end of the game when they are down 25 points and guaranteed a loss. 

Game over.  You lost.

Perfect analogy.  Yep they are loosing and may soon be relegated to the dustbin of wacko history as transgender people are finally becoming noticed and real to people in this country.   The impact of social media to counter and avoid censorship is huge.  It can be scary to see the world change when they once had all the power and answers figured out and codified.  Now they get laughed at with a reflexive angry response not completely different from what happened to some French cartoonists.  I was recently in Miami, a city that reflects the demographic truth that most people are not white christian conservatives.  It suggests more of that proverbial melting pot and wonderful mosaic of culture and color.  Diversity, how refreshing!

Want to do something about this? Go in the men's room anywhere and take a selfie, then Tweet it with the hashtag #WeJustNeedToPee. Seriously, this is a thing right now.

We should impose hefty fines upon/remove lawmakers that waste taxpayer funds on attempting to pass blatantly unconstitutional laws.

The sad part is that these baseless fears are about the male to female walking into a ladies restroom but what would happen if they pass this and the female to male's had to go into the ladies room because of their genetics. This is going to be a strange problem for them to deal with to have women that look like men in the ladies room.  I mean this is not going to fly because they're not gonna be comfortable no matter what.


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I was trying to find out more about the #wejustneedtopee campaign and came across this article quoting Buck Angel:

http://montrealgazette.com/life/transgender-rights-buck-angel-calls-for-gender-neutral-bathrooms

Gender-neutral bathrooms may seem like a good solution, but it can work in just one way - only gender-neutral bathrooms everywhere for everyone.

Otherwise, if they are added just as a 'third option' or if there is any degree of 'enforcement' about who should go where, then it will simply lead to the same subjective issues that have already been discussed.

I think the true ignorance here is the erroneous thinking that transgender people are rapists and sexual deviants who are going to the restroom to rape molest or stock women instead of the truth which is they just want to go in there to take care of business and get back out. The sad part is that everybody is focusing on the ladies room but nobody is focusing on the men's room. What are you guys going to say or do when what appears to be a female walks in to use the facilities. They may not claim that they are going to be raped or molested but they might feel uncomfortable simply because they are not comfortable with transgender persons. And this is where this argument goes to hell because you just can't tell somebody they can't use the ladies room and they can't use the men's room.  That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.


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Quote from: cindy16 on March 12, 2015, 11:13:01 PM
I was trying to find out more about the #wejustneedtopee campaign and came across this article quoting Buck Angel:

http://montrealgazette.com/life/transgender-rights-buck-angel-calls-for-gender-neutral-bathrooms

Gender-neutral bathrooms may seem like a good solution, but it can work in just one way - only gender-neutral bathrooms everywhere for everyone.

Otherwise, if they are added just as a 'third option' or if there is any degree of 'enforcement' about who should go where, then it will simply lead to the same subjective issues that have already been discussed.

That's a great solution Cindy, but only if the bathroom is single-user. A multiuser bathroom is not going to be gender-neutral at least not in our lifetime that I can see is much less in Texas with so many people living in the dark ages here.


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Exactly. And the only places where I have seen single-user, gender-neutral bathrooms are a few small restaurants etc.
For a large facility, a row of such single-user bathrooms would be simply uneconomical, so the only feasible solution is to let people go in a place consistent with their presentation.

Let's play a game.

This bathroom has four stalls. Each stall hides one individual.

Individual A looks feminine, but has masculine chromosomes.
Individual B looks masculine, but has feminine chromosomes.
Individual C looks feminine, and has feminine chromosomes.
Individual D looks feminine, but has klinefelter's (XXY) chromosomes.

They all come out of the stalls at the same time. According to the law, who is getting arrested. According to reality, who will get arrested?

The conservative party has an extremely narrow view on men and women, and anything outside of that view is seen as deviant.  A person going into the restroom of the gender they identify with and gets labelled as a deviant is seen as something bad or dirty by even those who may otherwise support the lgbt community, when in fact, just being a sexualy involved homosexual, or being a cross dresser, regardless of passability, is considered deviant.

Deviant is an extremely broad term that many have a narrow view of.

This lawmaker shows an embarrassing display of ignorance in just putting forth this bogus bill.

Quote from: Tessa James on March 12, 2015, 08:42:46 PM
I love reading about your fun attitudes to this nonsense and agree it could take a mass Sit and Sh*t all day protest to flush this waste of legislative effort.  I also consider this a response from the religious right wing that has been loosing badly in the gay marriage arena and needs another fresh meat scare to throw to the faithful and scare them into greater allegiance and $ contributions that will keep them "safe."

Oh yes the pervs are waiting for you and your innocent child in a dark restroom stall, shudder!

I don't think it has to do with religion as much as it has to do with an "ick" factor. Religion is often a cover.

Apologies for being late to the party. Hope it's not to late for my comments.

I think this bill won't go anywhere in its current form. It's too harsh on the intersex community to survive even a cursory debate.

My problem is that it will be amended to look like the florida law that requires using the restroom that matches the ID. That one already passed committee there, and has the sinister effect of targeting only the most vulnerable members of our community while leaving most of us OK.

Quote from: cindy16 on March 12, 2015, 11:13:01 PM
I was trying to find out more about the #wejustneedtopee campaign and came across this article quoting Buck Angel:

http://montrealgazette.com/life/transgender-rights-buck-angel-calls-for-gender-neutral-bathrooms

Gender-neutral bathrooms may seem like a good solution, but it can work in just one way - only gender-neutral bathrooms everywhere for everyone.

Otherwise, if they are added just as a 'third option' or if there is any degree of 'enforcement' about who should go where, then it will simply lead to the same subjective issues that have already been discussed.

I don't like gender neutral bathrooms as a permanent option. It helps those of us in between until we gain confidence but I like going to the ladies. It's cleaner and yes it's affirming.

Suzie so true,
My OKlahoma ID matches what I look like but I can't get an F on it until after GRS. 
Don't mean to brag but I can't pass as male now at all even without makeup.. so what happens to me if I have to use the mens room..
For one thing I would throw up and then possibly be harassed or worse.
It would be like making us come out to strangers we don't know just so we can pee.
I think these people are just like the kids that are bullies but are adult bullies.  They bully the most vulnerable  and use them to their own advantage or gain in politics.
Anyway this one really pissed me off....no pun intended.
I had planned to go stealth in life but now thinking maybe there is a fight I need to join ..
Dodie

Quote from: Dodie on March 13, 2015, 01:31:47 PM
Suzie so true,
My OKlahoma ID matches what I look like but I can't get an F on it until after GRS. 
Don't mean to brag but I can't pass as male now at all even without makeup.. so what happens to me if I have to use the mens room..
For one thing I would throw up and then possibly be harassed or worse.
It would be like making us come out to strangers we don't know just so we can pee.
I think these people are just like the kids that are bullies but are adult bullies.  They bully the most vulnerable  and use them to their own advantage or gain in politics.
Anyway this one really pissed me off....no pun intended.
I had planned to go stealth in life but now thinking maybe there is a fight I need to join ..
Dodie

This is another problem with this country.  I have not had GRS, but my California DL has an "F" on it.   If Dodie and I went to FL, came out of the bathroom at the same time and got carded, she gets busted and I don't, just because we are from different states.

We need this addressed on a national level, so that all transgender Americans enjoy the same rights and protections as we have in California. 

Trangender Civil Rights Act, anyone?

Likewise I can change mine in NJ. As a bonus I can change my naturalization certificate (which is federal) and I won't even have to disclose trans status. Ever. Meanwhile someone born in some states can't change it without surgery and even then some states will leave your history intact.

Quote from: cindy16 on March 12, 2015, 11:13:01 PM
I was trying to find out more about the #wejustneedtopee campaign and came across this article quoting Buck Angel:

http://montrealgazette.com/life/transgender-rights-buck-angel-calls-for-gender-neutral-bathrooms

Gender-neutral bathrooms may seem like a good solution, but it can work in just one way - only gender-neutral bathrooms everywhere for everyone.

Otherwise, if they are added just as a 'third option' or if there is any degree of 'enforcement' about who should go where, then it will simply lead to the same subjective issues that have already been discussed.

Gender neutral. Go for it.

Jill
Funny thing is that in TX u can get the F
That M on my DL won't go away until srs
I am all for a civil rights bill for us
That's one reason I may not stay stealth and shack things up
I feel I owe it to others and the younger generation
Just as others have paved the path for  us
Dodie

This is going viral

http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2015/03/14/trans-folks-respond-bathroom-bills-wejustneedtopee-selfies