Indiana pizza shop refuses to cater gay weddings, instantly has internet presence destroyed

By CBC News, Apr. 2, 2015

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/indiana-pizza-shop-refuses-cater-212030149.html

A pizza parlour that said it will use Indiana's heavily criticized new religious freedom law to deny services to same-sex couples provoked a massive backlash across the internet on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, a Republican, responded Tuesday to national outrage over the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, by saying he'll "fix" the bill to ensure businesses cannot use the law to deny services to the LGBTQ community.

Is there even a demand for cold pizza at gay wedding receptions?   If they would have just shut their pie holes (punintentional) and kept their bigotry to themselves, there would have been zero backlash. 

Still proud of yourselves?   Any others want to come out of the bigot closet so you can be publically shamed?

Two questions for anti-LGBT hypochristians: In what book of the Bible did Jesus condemn LGBT people, and how many of you have ever been divorced?

It's going to be interesting to see if they can even stay in business now...

C'mon Christians and your allies...go buy a pizza.

Or maybe show your distance from the hate that is done in His name...

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/indiana-pizzeria-at-center-of-religious-115307450604.html

They've received around $150,000 in donations since yesterday. Birds of a feather, it seems there are plenty of people willing to support such a close minded attitude. *sighs*

I saw somewhere they had to close their doors because they were afraid of the threats they recieved. I believe this is why the gofundme thing started. However I'm pretty sure they said they aren't sure they'll ever be able to open their doors again. If they had kept their mouths shut they would have been fine. Pizza isn't really a wedding thing. If someone asks just say we don't cater at all.

Quote from: Beth Andrea on April 02, 2015, 02:30:33 PM
It's going to be interesting to see if they can even stay in business now...

C'mon Christians and your allies...go buy a pizza.

Or maybe show your distance from the hate that is done in His name...

I saw an article today that said the shop was losing money fast and was on the verge of bankruptcy.  Maybe this was a way to get some publicity and raise some funds?

Good old Gov. Pence was on a right-wing radio show, a few hours after saying they needed to fix the law, saying it didn't need fixed at all. Typical politician, every time he opens his mouth crap comes out.

How do you know a politician is lying?

Their lips are moving.

" If they would have just shut their pie holes (punintentional) and kept their bigotry to themselves, there would have been zero backlash."

"If they had kept quiet..." (about their deeply held religious beliefs), they would not be suffering the backlash, threats and intimidation by those that so loudly and forcefully demand tolerance for their own views, beliefs and practices.

Is there not some irony and just a bit of hypocrisy in this attitude?  "Just sit down!  Shut up! Believe what "I" say, and I won't rain the wrath of the far left upon you, threaten you, and shut down your business."?

Quote from: Svetlana.K on April 02, 2015, 10:48:41 PM
" If they would have just shut their pie holes (punintentional) and kept their bigotry to themselves, there would have been zero backlash."

"If they had kept quiet..." (about their deeply held religious beliefs), they would not be suffering the backlash, threats and intimidation by those that so loudly and forcefully demand tolerance for their own views, beliefs and practices.

Is there not some irony and just a bit of hypocrisy in this attitude?  "Just sit down!  Shut up! Believe what "I" say, and I won't rain the wrath of the far left upon you, threaten you, and shut down your business."?

No hypocrisy, Svetlana. It's all about who was imposed upon first. "Our side" wanted to buy a product, which they sell to the public. We are part of the public.

By refusing to sell to us, they violated our right to purchase their product..."We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" was ruled unconstitutional many decades ago. If one is in business of selling something, one cannot refuse service to any customer who has the money to pay for it; especially those customers who happen to be in a "protected class" (i.e., race, color, creed, disability, sexual orientation, etc).

Refusal to provide the product or service to a protected class is considered evidence of hostility to the individual because of their status in a protected class, who was turned away, which allows them to sue for damages. The business must prove that it did not exhibit bias against the person(s) because they belong to a particular protected class.

So in the eyes of the law (and justice in general, I might add), the business (in this example) was the one who harmed another person; threats of violence are illegal and should be prosecuted, but threats of boycotts and other financial harm are a legitimate form of protest.

Religion must never be used to support or encourage hate, at least...not without consequences.

We are not asking them to accept us, just don't make life miserable for us. And yes, if they make life miserable...then by golly we'll do the same.

But it is not hypocrisy.

imho

There is a fundamental difference.  Refusing to sell generic pizzas to somebody just because they are different is one thing. However, requesting the pizza parlor to host a same sex wedding reception (when you know it is against their belief) is merely discrimination bating as nobody has a wedding reception at a pizza parlor.

Also, for example, a bakery should be permitted to refuse providing a wedding cake with "two men" of "two women" figures on top if it is against their belief even if they provide wedding cakes with "opposite sex" figures on top.  That would be no different from telling a male only shop that it must sell female hygiene products. Telling them what products they may/may not provide is a violation of their rights.

Many claims of discrimination today are charges by a group of people who desire preferential vs equal treatment. Women have succeeded in breaking down barriers by gaining access to all traditionally male clubs and activities while still maintaining their female only ones. Two specific examples (there are many more): (1) Women sports reporters have gained full access to male locker rooms while still banning male reporters from their locker rooms; (2) women have gained full access to male-only exercise clubs while still maintaining female only access to their exercise clubs (Curves is one of them).

EQUALITY IS STILL NOT ALWAYS EQUAL.

If you run a public business you're asking the entire populace to pay for the paving of the road, the plowing of the road, the installation of water and sewer lines to your business, and many more expenses. There is an obligation to serve that populace equally and fairly.

Only wanting to toss pizza for your friends means you have a hobby, not a business.

Hugs, Devlyn

If I were to get married again, I would have pizza at it.


But yeah, I didn't see the point in the people even getting on the news and saying that considering it was so unlikely. They should have just kept doing their business as usual.

I am a bit disgusted at some of the behavior of people going after them though. People demand to be treated with respect, but when they can, they become even worse than those they are against. That stuff needs to be stopped.

The next time I'm in Indiana  I will refuse to eat there

You want good pizza anyway, so go to one run by actual Italians or Greeks or someone from New York. Those have always been the best to me.

Quote from: marsh monster on April 03, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
You want good pizza anyway, so go to one run by actual Italians or Greeks or someone from New York. Those have always been the best to me.

I'm finicky and spoiled, the two closest places here are competitors in an Italian thin crust duel that's been going on for fifty years.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 03, 2015, 04:18:55 PM
I'm finicky and spoiled, the two closest places here are competitors in an Italian thin crust duel that's been going on for fifty years.

We have a Luigis in town that has great thin crust, by the slice or by the pie. Not always real round, but big and so thin. Fold 'em and eat 'em.

I make awesome pizzas and I'm not remotely Italian, Greek or a New Yorker (Go Yankees!).  In fact, I just got a new professional pizza stone yesterday.

I will make pizza for everyone though, even if they are in serious need of a rectocranial extraction.

The last report I saw (today) said their gofundme thing was over $715,000....  Sooooo, I'm guessing they won't be making any pizzas anymore anyway....

http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/Walkerton-restaurant-says-it-wont-cater-gay-weddings-Concord-coach-suspended-over-tweet-298357751.html

Apparently if you have a mediocre pizza joint in a small town somewhere, come out as a bigot nationally and you'll be set for life.  *sigh*

Correction:  Just looked at their actual gofundme page...  They're at $801,189.

Quote from: AmazinglyAutumn on April 03, 2015, 04:21:25 PM
The last report I saw (today) said their gofundme thing was over $715,000....  Sooooo, I'm guessing they won't be making any pizzas anymore anyway....

http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/Walkerton-restaurant-says-it-wont-cater-gay-weddings-Concord-coach-suspended-over-tweet-298357751.html

Apparently if you have a mediocre pizza joint in a small town somewhere, come out as a bigot nationally and you'll be set for life.  *sigh*

Think how many starving children that amount of money would feed. I bet the Christian business owner won't...