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Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female? 4.0

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androgynouspainter26

Quote from: Squircle on April 03, 2015, 02:52:31 AM
Also I have to ask, why are you risking arrest when you need makeup? Are you stealing it?

Of course; I have no money and as a full time student my parents won't allow me to get a job, so...
It's not admirable, but it's pretty much all I can do.

And yeah.  That's how I am.  I'm always in such intense pain I immediately bring down the mood!  It's really become untennable though, people can't deal with it.  I've lost a LOT of friends to this honestly.  Right now, I don't know if I need a casual social circle.  I'd love that, yeah, but what I really need is a support system, and I don't have one.  Like, at all.
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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Squircle

And therein lies the truth that transitioning young isn't always as awesome as is made out. It's easy to forget that some people don't have money for basics let alone surgeries or electrolysis. Please stop stealing now though; the last thing you need is an arrest. You have to avoid that possibility at all costs.

The thing is, support networks can arise from casual social circles. You need to let people in to your life. Outside of that, are there any volunteer led counselling services near you, or at your school? Or trans support groups? You need to talk to someone. I met one of my best friends at a trans support group, he's ftm, and we've kept each other afloat over the last year.  And are there any of your old friends that you could reconnect with? I'm guessing that your family hasn't been hugely supportive, and if that's the case I'm really sorry.

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androgynouspainter26

Quote from: Squircle on April 03, 2015, 03:24:32 AM
And therein lies the truth that transitioning young isn't always as awesome as is made out. It's easy to forget that some people don't have money for basics let alone surgeries or electrolysis. Please stop stealing now though; the last thing you need is an arrest. You have to avoid that possibility at all costs.

The thing is, support networks can arise from casual social circles. You need to let people in to your life. Outside of that, are there any volunteer led counselling services near you, or at your school? Or trans support groups? You need to talk to someone. I met one of my best friends at a trans support group, he's ftm, and we've kept each other afloat over the last year.  And are there any of your old friends that you could reconnect with? I'm guessing that your family hasn't been hugely supportive, and if that's the case I'm really sorry.



True!  It does suck; things are weird because my family has money and they are totally ok with me putting hormones on my health insurence.  If they waned to, they could pay for surgery.  They might even do it.  But...there's a difference between providing and being supportive.  When I tall to my mom about how I feel, her immediate question is always "are you taking antidepressents for that?  I have a doctor you can call".  That sums up what's wrong with that pretty well, it drives me crazy.  I need dental work done so I don't have much pocket cash, and it's cheaper just to acquire my cosmetics.

Yeah.  I guess I might be that I'm so far gone I can't really interact with people though.  Understand, all I really can talk about is how depressed I feel.  Most days I can't put on a convincing happy face...I mean, It's almost 5am where I live and I've been up sobbing all night.  I have no old friends; I've never had any old friends; I didn't have any friends growing up, at all.  And unfortunately my depression is driving away even my best new ones.  Services for trans people where I am are not great.  We have an LGBT club on campus and I attend, but a large portion of the trans* people there havn't experienced a spread of dysphoria in their life, and almost all of them are trans masculine.  Plus they all hate me.  I really am doomed, aren't I?  I don't know.  I do worry that my dysphoria might be a terminal case though :(
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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Squircle

Ok, first thing you need to do is talk to your parents. Make them listen and don't stop until they realise that you need support and probably professional help. They are the people who have the most power to help you, and they need to understand how much you are struggling.

A lot of schools have a counsellor nowadays, if there is one talk to them. It doesn't matter at this point if they aren't a gender therapist, they may still be able to help or be able to point you in the direction of people that can.

Also, why do you think the people at your lbgt group hate you? Do you know that or is it just that you've made no effort with them so they make no effort with you? And don't think that trans men can't help you, they are going through much the same thing and sometimes it's actually better to talk to someone who sees things from a slightly different angle.

And again, if you feel like hurting yourself call one of the emergency numbers on this site.
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Rotika

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on April 03, 2015, 02:39:29 AM
I'm tired of the pain of plucking my eyebrows every week
I pluck my entire beard every 3 days just to keep from having a 5 o' clock shadow. lol.. We have extreme's that have to be satisfied in order to look more femme. I'm sure I'm not the only person that does something absolutely nutz like this..
Even CIS women have to pluck their eyebrows every week. Pain is beauty. Get used to it if you're going to transition and want to be a looker.
You really need to look on the bright side of things and also open your eyes to what is going on around you.
When I was young, my parents always yelled at me/beat me for not finishing my dinner. They would say "Someone somewhere would KILL to have those scraps that you're wasting and throwing away!" I knew it was true.. but didn't pay it much mind.
More than 10 years later I joined the army and went to the jolly lands of Iraq during the war/conflict/whateveryouwannalabelit. And I witnessed children out in the streets begging us for our MREs and bottles of water. Starving. And I watched full grown adults beat them half to death to get the rations I gave them. It's a sick world. But afterwards I actualy thought back on my parents' words. I now have a very large sense of guilt when I have to throw away any food. It literally makes me sick.
You probably don't have it nearly as bad as you think. Just think about it. ;)
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ImagineKate

Plucking is pain? Try electrolysis. You get the needle, the shock, AND the plucking at times when the juice isn't enough to totally obliterate the follicle.
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antonia

Being a girl is a lot of work:


  • On average I'd say I spend an exta 45 minutes every day in the bathroom, pluck, rinse, shave, cover, hide, shape, enhance, highlight and the story goes on and on and on.
  • I now have to exercise 45-60 minutes every day to keep in shape.
  • My diet changed drastically to keep in shape (think salads and high fiber things), no more candy, snacks or soda.
  • When walking alone at night you have to be very aware of your situation.


Not only this but you will sometimes get ignored by your peers just cause you are a girl, you will get objectified, slapped on the bum by strangers, patronised and get treated like you are an idiot.

But at the end of the day you get to be a girl, I do the work every day because it allows me to present the way I feel.
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Rotika

Quote from: antonia on April 03, 2015, 07:51:03 AM
Being a girl is a lot of work:


  • On average I'd say I spend an exta 45 minutes every day in the bathroom, pluck, rinse, shave, cover, hide, shape, enhance, highlight and the story goes on and on and on.
  • I now have to exercise 45-60 minutes every day to keep in shape.
  • My diet changed drastically to keep in shape (think salads and high fiber things), no more candy, snacks or soda.
  • When walking alone at night you have to be very aware of your situation.


Not only this but you will sometimes get ignored by your peers just cause you are a girl, you will get objectified, slapped on the bum by strangers, patronised and get treated like you are an idiot.

But at the end of the day you get to be a girl, I do the work every day because it allows me to present the way I feel.

I have to agree with this so much Antonia.. omg.. I'm full time at home right now until I become passable.. and my family, since i went full time here, has started treating me completely different. Like I'm helpless. Or lazy. Or even just plain useless. Even though I'm still out doing everything I always have. We live out in the country and from livestock to logging.. I do it all AND pick up other ppl's slack around here. Cooking, cleaning, furnace maintenance.. hell.. I even keep the internet network working between the 4 families all living on this property (requires constant fixing due to lack of ISP reliability).. and yet I'm the lazy dumbass ->-bleeped-<- most of the time.
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antonia

I guess I'm lucky because of the way I did my transition, I came out at work, did a powerpoint presentation about it, then went full time and then went on hormones.

What that meant is that my co-workers really did not notice me changing because I did it so gradually and the new hires just fall in line with the others so I got to retain my professional status :)

It's so weird to see people's assumptions change, I'm a pretty handy girl, I can fix just about anything, built a 33ft steel sailboat with my own hands, fixed cars, made furniture, built a house and yet once I started wearing a dress all of a sudden "people" try to persuade that I should hand over the portable drill cause I probably can't drill a hole in a drywall and place an anchor.

It makes you wonder ...

on a side-note, you should not have any issues passing out in the world, just do it :)

Quote from: Rotika on April 03, 2015, 08:01:04 AM
I have to agree with this so much Antonia.. omg.. I'm full time at home right now until I become passable.. and my family, since i went full time here, has started treating me completely different. Like I'm helpless. Or lazy. Or even just plain useless. Even though I'm still out doing everything I always have. We live out in the country and from livestock to logging.. I do it all AND pick up other ppl's slack around here. Cooking, cleaning, furnace maintenance.. hell.. I even keep the internet network working between the 4 families all living on this property (requires constant fixing due to lack of ISP reliability).. and yet I'm the lazy dumbass ->-bleeped-<- most of the time.
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Rotika

Quote from: antonia on April 03, 2015, 08:41:52 AM
"people" try to persuade that I should hand over the portable drill
Happened to me just yesterday with a chainsaw. Just cutting up some small stuff so I could start a cooking fire. My uncle comes out an snatched it up before I could touch it. Said "i got it." Which would've been ok if not for his previous statement which was "it's a little chilly outside, you might want to put a jacket or a shirt on"... OMG I definitely had a damned shirt on.

Quote from: antonia on April 03, 2015, 08:41:52 AM
on a side-note, you should not have any issues passing out in the world, just do it :)
My mannerisms are totally "dude"... I've been in denial that I would ever transition my whole life and have become such expert at being in boy-mode that I have trouble being a girl at times. Like omg this thing between my legs itches so bad.. but I can't touch it! LOL.. And my voice, I just can't seem to find a private place to practice training it. Anyone that's around would just start poking fun. I need my own space. For instance, as I'm typing this, my wife is scrolling facebook right beside me and every 5 seconds "hey look at this!"..... Private time for me is non-existant. I love her. But sometimes I wanna scream lol
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Joan

Keeping up with all the hair that keeps growing is murder.  Just when I think I'm on top of the rogue eyebrow hairs the little beggars keep poking out again.  Sigh...

Anyway, it must be 6 months since I last posted here, and I think I've found the courage to let Joan outside once in that time.  I'm thinking it might be time to try again.  Am I deluding myself that I no longer look obviously like a bloke in a frock?





Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away
Only a phase, these dark cafe days
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Mariah

No, you look great. You clearly pass as female in the pics. The past pic ihn't exactly the best shot or angle of you, but it's good.
Mariah
Quote from: Joan on April 03, 2015, 10:37:57 AM
Keeping up with all the hair that keeps growing is murder.  Just when I think I'm on top of the rogue eyebrow hairs the little beggars keep poking out again.  Sigh...

Anyway, it must be 6 months since I last posted here, and I think I've found the courage to let Joan outside once in that time.  I'm thinking it might be time to try again.  Am I deluding myself that I no longer look obviously like a bloke in a frock?






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Gabrielle_22

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on April 03, 2015, 12:20:43 AM
Not really.  There are sex characteristics hon, men look a certain way and women look a certain way...and that's how the world will see you if you don't look like a woman should.  I'm sorry, but I'm not able to live as a trans woman if I look like a man.

Do I need to relax my hair, then, to not look like a man?

My hair is probably curlier than yours, and I know many beautiful girls with curls, corkscrews, and kinks in their hair. You might try different ways of caring for your hair. For instance, there's something called the Curly Girl method for making the most of your curls by not treating curls the way you would straight hair; while I don't use all of their methods, I definitely learnt a lot from that method about what works best for my hair type. Before it, I just had frizz; now, I can at least sometimes count on good hair days. Whether or not that specific method would work for you isn't the point so much as that you may just need to learn what works best for your own hair. If that means embracing your curls and treating them better, go for it. If that means straightening it, do that. Do what makes you happiest and gives you the best chance for mental equilibrium.

In the makeup photo you posted, you look a lot more femme--and passably so--than the photo without it. Note that your expression is different in each--you look happier in the made-up image, gloomier and more stereotypically masculine in the other. I get this--because I'm still pre-HRT and not done with my beard removal, I sometimes feel depressed when I take off my makeup and see what was underneath--but I'm also learning to try to love myself more, and as I do that, something in my expression, even without makeup, changes. And some ciswomen simply do look dramatically different without makeup; you may be like that, but I'm still confident you could pass better, without makeup, once you learn more about how to play around with your hair and how to smile more. And your voice sample, which I heard in the voice forum, is incredibly good--perfectly passable, actually. I wish I was half as good, voice-wise, as you. Voice is a big factor in how people will read you in social settings, and you're doing fine there.

I don't think you will be happier detransitioning from what I've read on here. And it breaks my heart that you have to steal the makeup you have and that you feel so alone. But you have people on here for support, for a start. Can you find some kind of other LGBT group to attend, maybe? Find a connection to more people through there? Ask the campus group if there are other groups?

But you also have to stop seemingly begging people on here to tell you negative things. It's easy to fall into such a cycle of masochism, of wanting others to confirm your worst self-impressions. Lying to bolster your confidence isn't the answer, either, but surely there is a truer and better place to be found in-between those two extremes, and I think most of us on here have tried to direct you to such a place. You have things going for you visually and aurally that some of us can only hope for. Take what you have, and use it to go from there.
"The time will come / when, with elation / you will greet yourself arriving / at your own door, in your own mirror / and each will smile at the other's welcome, / and say, sit here. Eat. / You will love again the stranger who was your self./ Give wine. Give bread. Give back your heart / to itself, to the stranger who has loved you / all your life, whom you ignored" - Walcott, "Love after Love"
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antonia

Every time you are in the car, every time in the shower, use your voice, at first it will sound silly but slowly you get there.
When walking around, to heel toe, heel toe and towards the center, turn your wrists forward and embrace being girly, I krow it's so so so hard at first but ...

Honestly, a couple of months full time and you'll be laughing at yourself thinking this is hard :D

Quote from: Rotika on April 03, 2015, 10:31:49 AM
Happened to me just yesterday with a chainsaw. Just cutting up some small stuff so I could start a cooking fire. My uncle comes out an snatched it up before I could touch it. Said "i got it." Which would've been ok if not for his previous statement which was "it's a little chilly outside, you might want to put a jacket or a shirt on"... OMG I definitely had a damned shirt on.
My mannerisms are totally "dude"... I've been in denial that I would ever transition my whole life and have become such expert at being in boy-mode that I have trouble being a girl at times. Like omg this thing between my legs itches so bad.. but I can't touch it! LOL.. And my voice, I just can't seem to find a private place to practice training it. Anyone that's around would just start poking fun. I need my own space. For instance, as I'm typing this, my wife is scrolling facebook right beside me and every 5 seconds "hey look at this!"..... Private time for me is non-existant. I love her. But sometimes I wanna scream lol
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Rotika

Quote from: antonia on April 03, 2015, 07:39:52 PM
Every time you are in the car, every time in the shower, use your voice, at first it will sound silly but slowly you get there.
When walking around, to heel toe, heel toe and towards the center, turn your wrists forward and embrace being girly, I krow it's so so so hard at first but ...

Honestly, a couple of months full time and you'll be laughing at yourself thinking this is hard :D

I wish I had some local friends like you to push me around and get me doing the things I want to do. lol.. I mean.. something as simple as saying "hey turn your wrists forward" just made me sit here and think about it for about the last 20 mins wondering if I do already or not. Probly not. But it's the thought. Thanks hun ;)
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antonia

I guess I'm super lucky when it comes to local friends, I've got a group of 10-15 local girls that are really tight, two of us even live like 10 houses from each other and had no idea before :)

If you ever find yourself in the vicinity of Toronto Canada you are always welcome but don't underestimate the number of trans girls out there, there are at least 10 times the number you think.

The wrist thing is just something I realized, it's impossible to walk like a boy and expose your wrists, kinda funny :D

Quote from: Rotika on April 03, 2015, 08:53:05 PM
I wish I had some local friends like you to push me around and get me doing the things I want to do. lol.. I mean.. something as simple as saying "hey turn your wrists forward" just made me sit here and think about it for about the last 20 mins wondering if I do already or not. Probly not. But it's the thought. Thanks hun ;)
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barbie

Quote from: antonia on April 03, 2015, 07:51:03 AM
Being a girl is a lot of work:


  • On average I'd say I spend an exta 45 minutes every day in the bathroom, pluck, rinse, shave, cover, hide, shape, enhance, highlight and the story goes on and on and on.
  • I now have to exercise 45-60 minutes every day to keep in shape.
  • My diet changed drastically to keep in shape (think salads and high fiber things), no more candy, snacks or soda.
  • When walking alone at night you have to be very aware of your situation.


Not only this but you will sometimes get ignored by your peers just cause you are a girl, you will get objectified, slapped on the bum by strangers, patronised and get treated like you are an idiot.

But at the end of the day you get to be a girl, I do the work every day because it allows me to present the way I feel.

Yes. Maintaining a girl's life means being healthy both in your body and mind.
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androgynouspainter26

Ugh.  See, this is more work than I have time for.  I'm averaging five hours a night of sleep as is, I'm so busy with school (and the 3~ hours of work a day I lose to crying fits)/
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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stephaniec

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on April 04, 2015, 01:49:11 AM
Ugh.  See, this is more work than I have time for.  I'm averaging five hours a night of sleep as is, I'm so busy with school (and the 3~ hours of work a day I lose to crying fits)/
maybe the reality is whether transition is doing more harm than good. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not transitioning if the pain is greater.
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androgynouspainter26

Naw, I've realized that the alternative would kill me.  When I talk about detransition I'm usually actually talking about death :)
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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