This is not a "hate" thread to women or femininity. I spent the past two days close to suicide hopes and fairy tales.... and I realize I hate being trans because I do not think I am a real woman. Thus, a man in a dress. Besides the point all my dreams are obsess over love. True love. Beauty ties with it... and I see how society prizes beauty and places straight (or not)  feminine womens happiness on pleasing a man. Gay culture too to an extent, but feminine men.

Why does a man matter so much to a woman? Disney movies popularize this... even the evil Queen of Snow White was obsess over her .... being the prettiest, and couldnt accept her natural beauty when she was already pretty.

The only woman confident over herself was Ursula, the drag queen in the sea. As evil as she was, which she wasnt but more of seeking power of the sea, she didnt envy Ariel but use her as a pawn; Ariel was obsess with being with her man.

It comes to my conclusion... that I think beauty is only to be used as a tool but not as a self confidence boaster.

Men arent needed for happiness (same for men to women or just lovers),  but rather just a benefit for overall life.

Im leaning a feministic viewpoint because I am tired of society making women into dolls. When women are human beings who age, get fat, and scarred up just like a man. Even the idea of make up (wasting an hour on your face) seems silly. If it makes YOU happy thats different... but its like "why?" Why be weak submissive or febled?

I dont mean become a man... but its like even my favorite heroin of all time... Scarlet OHara depended on a man to be happy. She should had given up on the men who couldnt truely love her.

Thus... the only woman I can respect is Madonna... she embodies being a woman but not a victim. As far as pop culture. More so than Beyonce or any strong woman...  because shes not afraid of ugliness or hiding your age. As far as Im concern... strength lies in conquering all your weaknesses.

Take as you want.

But it makes me wonder.... even the notion of passing is unnecessary. We dont need to pass... we dont need beauty.... we dont need a man a woman or true love....

We need strength in doing what we need to be happy... and letting the arrows in our armour not kill us... and surviving this life...


Imagine if we were acid scarred victims and estrogen couldnt help us and we were beyond hope for transistion.... live or die?  I think if we have two hands we can help people still and even through our ugliness we can bring beauty to the world. Save lives from death. Humanity is at stake.

Different strokes. I *am* submissive, and on many levels, enjoy being in that dynamic with men.

It doesn't make me a victim. I ask for and deserve no sympathy :~D

^ Me too. Yet it only involves sex and power struggle. Yet... I will dump a man or turn against him if he does me wrong.... like an alley cat who will purr for food but bite back if push too rough.

But by submissive I mean happiness depending on making a man happy (especially if theres no benefit or reason)... like makeup, heels, and dress.

I dress like that (in theory) to seduce... but not for him, but for my benefit. But if he tells me I look like a slut or too fat... he will see the door.

Wild Flower-

I am sorry that you have been close to suicide the last few days - please talk to someone if you need to.

Here's my take on this - being a woman means different things to different people. I tend towards being a strong woman that doesn't rely on other people because I have found in my life that if you open up and trust/count on other people they will undoubtedly disappoint you. Having been hurt by this in the past I refuse to put myself in that position ever again.

I do what I do to please myself - makeup, clothes, etc. If someone likes or dislikes me - thats their business, not mine.

You are correct when you point out the message that society sends young girls about being with a guy. For some  women that message resonates, for others like me it doesn't. I don't define myself by my relationship status with someone else but I do know women that consider being with a man highly important. We all have our priorities but make sure it is a priority that is important to you and not some message that society is sending you about who you should be.

Be the kind of woman you want to be and be happy - find happiness within yourself 

First I am a real women. Not all women can have kids. My cis sister couldn't. I'm not sure what other difference could possibly matter in the end.

I'm also a lesbian. As a lesbian I couldn't give a crap about what men think or want. The whole Disney thing never meant anything to me. I'm a strong and independent woman that wants another strong and independent woman.

Please do not kill yourself. I also was suicidal for a bit in my life over what I consider a silly matter now that's bee resolved. There will be a way for you to get past that struggle.

I can only say as you know to just be yourself and seek out people that make you happy and compliment your needs and desires you posses in people. The whole different strokes for different folks thing here. I love you very wise interpretation of the flaws of society and the expectations it can place upon a woman and here self worth being dependent on here relationships and beauty. That whole corrupt ideology really can kill a womans(cis or trans) ability to love and respect herself if she does not meet those sky high beauty standards and submissive nature or ability to behave demure or some other inane ideal. What matters in reality through and through is the individuals happiness and their needs and dreams for themselves that they posses at an innate level being fulfilled a lived upon. I respect strong, intelligent, independent women sooo much. Ones that have acquired everything in their lives by their own hard work, resolve, intellect, and strength. On the other end of the spectrum I respect women who are submissive as well as long as they are sweet caring good hearted women then they can live anyway they want. A kind and loving heart is always the best measure for self respect and the best measure in respecting another. The ones that should be valued are the caring, loving, compassionate people who would risk themselves for the sake of others. Everything I say applies to men both trans and cis as well as purple slime monsters and cactus people too.

I am submissive and turning out to be rather pretty so far. However, if I can't fight for whats right and defend those weaker or in need and wouldn't lend help to the poor if I was well to do then I'd deserve no value or love.

I hate to say it... but Im crazy. I wasnt like this even a year ago.... its like split emotions daily.... piss at the world... crying... giddy... i dont know why

This thread was voicing my opinions on my flaws.

Suicide
... not going to happen...

Wanting to be beautiful is hard wired into women (some more than others) if you don't believe me watch a 3 year old girl(too young to be indoctrinated) in a clothing store they are all about the pretty/beautiful dresses and the need only becomes stronger as they get older. 

Society doesn't make women into dolls they make themselves into dolls because they think that's what they need to do to get and keep the guy... the only thing society does is point out what is beautiful and what isn't after that it's all has to do with the woman's interpretation of what is beautiful and what they can do to become beautiful. 

I think it has a lot to do with the drive to reproduce and become mothers which is why women put up with men who would otherwise die alone and miserable.  Once woman have their children the guy is really only needed to provide food and shelter for the woman and children (maybe a little sex and companionship once in a while) and a lot of women would just assume that the guy would go away if he didn't provide for her. 

(Their real happiness is the children not the man)

As far as the Disney movies go I had heard some of these points of views before and I think they overlook major points about the movies/stories
-   in Snow White the evil queen was damaged goods which is something really pointed out in the movie
-   In the little mermaid Ursula was obsessed with Poseidon and destroying him and taking his power (her happiness was dependent on him as much as Ariel's was dependent on Eric) Ariel wasn't all that obsessed with her looks either.
-   Mulan saves China and the Emperor for her families honor (the love interest was totally secondary)
-   Cinderella overcame her evil step mother and sisters by attracting the prince (one of the only people they had no power over)
In nearly every story/movie the love interest was totally secondary to something else despite what some would have you believe and none of the princesses were ever depicted as obsessing over their beauty. 

Quote from: Wild Flower on May 15, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
I hate to say it... but Im crazy. I wasnt like this even a year ago.... its like split emotions daily.... piss at the world... crying... giddy... i dont know why

This thread was voicing my opinions on my flaws.

Suicide
... not going to happen...

Well that's good to hear. BPD is sooo annoying! Is that what you have?