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MTF or FTM: What state were you born in?

Started by Joules, November 28, 2013, 02:06:00 PM

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Transgender: What state were you born in?

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
lllinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming
Not TG/don't know/not born in US-50 but I want to see the results

rachel89

I'm a Michigan girl, but I've lived in the "Mississippi of the North" aka Indiana for most of my life.


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rachel89

Quote"I live in Albuquerque, but I only moved here 10 years ago. I wasn't born here.
I LOVE New Mexico, and I think ABQ is pretty good place to transition."

Can Heisenberg help us out in the HRT Dept.?   :)



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V M

Quote from: Mariah2014 on May 27, 2015, 06:09:15 PM
Spokane, Washington

I've had cousins and such in the Spokane, Aberdeen, Seattle and Olympia areas, other than a couple who are dead and one who moved to Calif. I don't really know much about most of them though
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Mariah

Small world. I have many cousins scattered across the state too. I believe at least one or two also left the state to go down to California. I didn't know the ones that left the state at all.
Mariah
Quote from: V M on May 27, 2015, 07:32:24 PM
I've had cousins and such in the Spokane, Aberdeen, Seattle and Olympia areas, other than a couple who are dead and one who moved to Calif. I don't really know much about most of them though
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Joules

In spite of being born in Okla City, I consider Seattle to be where I grew up.  I still love the city, but it's become a victim of it's own success.  Too many people!  I'm in Portland, OR, these days, very similar to Seattle but without the crowds.  Plus, the judge won't let me leave the state for now.  ;)
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CaitlinE

Quote from: Mariah2014 on May 27, 2015, 07:36:00 PMSmall world. I have many cousins scattered across the state too. I believe at least one or two also left the state to go down to California.

Same here, though the two in California have grandkids coming on so I think we're up to eight or nine now.  Also a couple cousins in BC and family connections mean usually somebody's in Alaska at any given time.
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synesthetic

I was born in Arkansas, but it's been a long time since I lived there.
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KimSails

Hi folks!

I realize that we have a statistically small number of responses, and that they are skewed by factors like internet access and social-economic status (ability to afford internet access), but I thought I'd add an unscientific comparison of state responses vs. state population.  Someone with a statistics background could do a much better job and include a calculation of how statistically significant a state's variation is. 

In the list, I am calculating the percent higher or (lower) that the response count is in comparison to the proportion of the population.  So, Wisconsin has 152% more responses than the population would have indicated. My home state of Michigan looks far less interesting at 69% higher, than just seeing 7 is second only to California's 14. Texas jumps out to me as being probably the most interesting in its lack of responses!

Kim  :)

P.S. I apologize for the columns not being straight.  I think they would be in Courier font. This is the most readable display option I found.

State                       Responses   Population                 Proportion       Responses/Proportion
Alaska                              2                710,231               .30               573%
Montana                             2                989,415               .41               383%
New Mexico                          4              2,059,179               .86               364%
Rhode Island                        2              1,052,567               .44               354%
Vermont                             1                625,741               .26               282%
North Dakota                        1                672,591               .28               255%
South Dakota                        1                814,180               .34               193%
Delaware                            1                897,934               .38               166%
West Virginia                       2              1,852,994               .78               158%
Wisconsin                           6              5,686,986              2.38               152%
Oregon                              4              3,831,074              1.60               149%
Kentucky                            4              4,339,367              1.82               120%
Virginia                            6              8,001,024              3.35                79%
Utah                                2              2,763,885              1.16                73%
Michigan                            7              9,883,640              4.14                69%
Missouri                            4              5,988,927              2.51                60%
Iowa                                2              3,046,355              1.28                57%
Alabama                             3              4,779,736              2.00                50%
Massachusetts                       4              6,547,629              2.74                46%
Minnesota                           3              5,303,925              2.22                35%
Nebraska                            1              1,826,341               .76                31%
Oklahoma                            2              3,751,351              1.57                27%
North Carolina                      5              9,535,483              3.99                25%
Maryland                            3              5,773,552              2.42                24%
Indiana                             3              6,483,802              2.71                11%
New Jersey                          4              8,791,894              3.68                 9%
Washington                          3              6,724,540              2.82                 7%
California                         14             37,253,956             15.60               (10)%
Nevada                              1              2,700,551              1.13               (12)%
Kansas                              1              2,853,118              1.19               (16)%
Ohio                                4             11,536,504              4.83               (17)%
Arkansas                            1              2,915,918              1.22               (18)%
Arizona                             2              6,392,017              2.68               (25)%
New York                            6             19,378,102              8.11               (26)%
Connecticut                         1              3,574,097              1.50               (33)%
Pennsylvania                        3             12,702,379              5.32               (44)%
Illinois                            3             12,830,632              5.37               (44)%
Louisiana                           1              4,533,372              1.90               (47)%
South Carolina                      1              4,625,364              1.94               (48)%
Florida                             4             18,801,310              7.87               (49)%
Tennessee                           1              6,346,105              2.66               (62)%
Texas                               3             25,145,561             10.53               (72)%
Georgia                             1              9,687,653              4.06               (75)%
Wyoming                             0                563,626               .24              (100)%
New Hampshire                       0              1,316,470               .55              (100)%
Maine                               0              1,328,361               .56              (100)%
Hawaii                              0              1,360,301               .57              (100)%
Idaho                               0              1,567,582               .66              (100)%
Mississippi                         0              2,967,297              1.24              (100)%
Colorado                            0              5,029,196              2.11              (100)%
            
Totals                            129            308,143,815            129.00   
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wantobeagirl

I was born in a state of dysphoria [emoji12]
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CrysC

born in Washington DC
now I live in Washington state

I seem to have a Washington theme....
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CaitlinE

Hi Kim, significance depends upon both the question and how it's asked.  The basic null hypothesis here would be the probability of an individual being transgender is invariant of which state they're born in.  A statistical significance test then asks whether the data is likely to contradict this hypothesis.  I did a quick chi-square on the data so far and got a p value of 1.00, indicating the null hypothesis cannot be rejected even without control for convenience sampling and selection bias.  To indulge in a little more detail, p values range from 0 to 1 with the classic 95% confidence level being 0.05---to reject the null hypothesis at 95% confidence we'd be looking for p < 0.05.

If you're curious to explore further there's a lot of information online about significance testing.  Videos, blogs, wikis, and so on.  Excel has some built in functions (CHISQ.TEST was used for the above) and R is free to download (big learning curve, though).

Quote from: KimSails on May 30, 2015, 10:44:12 PMI apologize for the columns not being straight.  I think they would be in Courier font. This is the most readable display option I found.
They would but no worries, they're easy enough to follow and a good bit more readable than the image was.  Plugging in the BBCode to lay it out as a table would take forever unless you wrote a script, which would take a while too.  For folks who want a more manipulatable version it's quick enough to paste the table into Excel, do fixed width column conversion, and remove the spaces.
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Sydney_NYC

Looks like so far I'm the only one born in TN. Which means I can't ever change my birth certificate since the state is so transphobic. Funny thing is I didn't grow up there. I've lived everywhere from NC, NJ, NY and Germany (then West Germany.) I only live there from 1988 to 1998 for college (University of TN - Knoxville) and my first job out of college at The Learning Company - Foreign Language Division (My old name is on some of the old Software Titles from Berlitz and Learn To Speak Series and the Pronunciation Tutors.)

I was just there last week and visited some friends that still work at the University. I found out a how trans positive the University is when a Professor transitioned a few years ago and the University was supportive the whole way. Just with the State Assembly in Nashville felt the same way.

Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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KimSails

Quote from: CaitlinE on May 31, 2015, 11:30:04 AM
I did a quick chi-square on the data so far and got a p value of 1.00, indicating the null hypothesis cannot be rejected even without control for convenience sampling and selection bias.

Thanks Caitlin!

My understanding of what you wrote is that there is at least a 5% chance that the variations we see are just random differences. And the 5% might be much higher.  Is that a roughly correct interpretation?

Its still fun to ponder!

Thanks!
Kim
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
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Joules

@ Kim & Caitlyn,

There is a similar poll for Canada:


https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,155399.0.html


The logistics and demographics for Canada are different, but there is a very clear signal in the numbers there.
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Melitta

MTF born in Tennessee.

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Audrey_Marie

 MtF Ohio represent! Now this state just needs to get their head out of their rear :/
"But you can only lie about who you are for so long without going crazy."
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CaitlinE

Quote from: KimSails on May 31, 2015, 12:44:38 PMMy understanding of what you wrote is that there is at least a 5% chance that the variations we see are just random differences. And the 5% might be much higher.  Is that a roughly correct interpretation?

Yep!  The p value is the probability the observed data is consistent with the null hypothesis.  In the formalism of mathematical logic that's a statement of different semantics.  But with a high p value like we have here it's functionally equivalent.

Quote from: Joules on May 31, 2015, 02:44:21 PMThere is a similar poll for Canada.

Cool!  I'll have to look at the numbers more closely sometime.
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Riverfox

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Hailey zy

Michigan here. although i'm a MSU fan and student
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Melitta

Quote from: Sydney_NYC on May 31, 2015, 12:39:50 PM
Looks like so far I'm the only one born in TN. Which means I can't ever change my birth certificate since the state is so transphobic. Funny thing is I didn't grow up there. I've lived everywhere from NC, NJ, NY and Germany (then West Germany.) I only live there from 1988 to 1998 for college (University of TN - Knoxville) and my first job out of college at The Learning Company - Foreign Language Division (My old name is on some of the old Software Titles from Berlitz and Learn To Speak Series and the Pronunciation Tutors.)

I was just there last week and visited some friends that still work at the University. I found out a how trans positive the University is when a Professor transitioned a few years ago and the University was supportive the whole way. Just with the State Assembly in Nashville felt the same way.

I am from, and live in, TN. I find it to be a very positive place to live. However, that could simply be from the people that I live around and associate with. I have experienced nothing but positive remarks and comments, but some of my brothers and sisters have not been so lucky.

Im happy that your visit to University was a positive one. My school is also really progressive and it has been a nice place in which to transition.

Melitta
"The age of Socratic man is past: crown yourselves with ivy, grasp the thyrsus and do not be amazed if tigers and panthers lie down fawning at your feet. Now dare to be tragic men, for you will be redeemed. You shall join the Dionysiac procession from India to Greece! Gird yourselves for a hard battle, but have faith in the miracles of your god!"
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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