Quote from: Kate on November 21, 2007, 01:09:08 PM

Quote from: maragirlygirr on November 21, 2007, 09:20:56 AM
TS Need to express ones feminity ALL THE TIME

IMHO, that's still really more appropriate of CDrs. Crossdressing fulltime doesn't make one a transsexual. Most diagnostic definitions for being a transsexual require a discomfort with one's male body, not just the male clothes.

Being transsexual, IMHO, has nothing to do with needing to be feminine, yet everything to do with being FEMALE.

~Kate~

Agreed thank you.

Ive seen it presented as to be a transexual is to basically to have GID as well, but I believe that one does nessecarily prove true, I belive it is possible to need to be female, yet have no desire for surgery to correct the one difference between the two.

I guess what i am trying to say,

Is what category would a individual with the NEED to live, breath, act as they are in thier mind FEMALE, yet has no desire to correct the given birth genitals. As that is the only thing that does not make me "Female".

Third gender maybe

Quote from: maragirlygirr on November 21, 2007, 09:20:56 AM
TS Need to express ones feminity ALL THE TIME

Quote from: Kate on November 21, 2007, 01:09:08 PM
IMHO, that's still really more appropriate of CDrs. Crossdressing fulltime doesn't make one a transsexual. Most diagnostic definitions for being a transsexual require a discomfort with one's male body, not just the male clothes.

I think saying that we need to express our femininity "all the time" is a rather narrow concept as well.  I've made earlier arguments about the hyper-femininity of CDs, etc so I won't remake them here, but I for one would like to avoid pigenholing all TSs in to wannabe Barbies.

I think the core of any animosity between CDs and TSs lies in the fact that CDs see altering their gender presentation as a weekendesque hobby; where most, at least in my experience, TSs will tell you its like being able to breathe again.

I think we're both (both sides) looking for freedom of expression, but what exactly that means to each of us has never been clearly agreed on.

Posted on: November 21, 2007, 03:07:42 PM

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Quote from: maragirlygirr on November 21, 2007, 01:57:32 PM
Is what category would a individual with the NEED to live, breath, act as they are in thier mind FEMALE, yet has no desire to correct the given birth genitals. As that is the only thing that does not make me "Female".

There is a guy near me, this was featured in the weekly "alternative" paper, who found a surgeon in Europe willing to do GRS "off the books".  He freely admits he never saw a therapist, never took hormones or lived at all as a woman.  The cost of his surgery?  $6,000.

I'd imagine he has little more then a hole left for only $6,000.  His presentation is nothing close to female.

Moral of the story?  Its not just about the genitals.

As for labels, does it really matter?  All I've seen labels do is segregate us.  The cisgender world does that just fine, they don't need our help.

i agree, being female, is nothing to do with ones femininity or masculinity... i know some really masculine ts girls, who are nothing but women.
and some really feminine ts girls who are nothing but male... its a fine line. and being male or female is the key to TS... not how one expresses that... i was at the pub tonight, with my two best friends. all 3 of us drinking beer. all 3 in baggy jeans and hoodies, no makeup, hair in ponytails just passing the time. masculine? maybe, not very feminine? sure. but i challenge you to say any of us 3 are not female. or even pick the one without the right genitals...
R

Quote from: Kirstie on November 21, 2007, 09:57:13 PM
I want to have sex like a woman really bad! Thats my main reason for wanting SRS!

i thought the main reason for wanting grs was severe gid & not sex.

Quote from: Katia on November 21, 2007, 10:38:44 PM

Quote from: Kirstie on November 21, 2007, 09:57:13 PM
I want to have sex like a woman really bad! Thats my main reason for wanting SRS!

i thought the main reason for wanting grs was severe gid & not sex.

Yeah that is the right reason, sex should not have anything to do with it, that would acually be tranvestic fetishism.

As for the above post above yours!!!  NO!  They cannot do that in fact as it has been described to me by some girlfriends (TS)  you have to train yourself to even have a orgasm, the physical friction to pleasure thing isnt even there its all in your head from then on.

Please take a minute to do some research before you go on with GRS or SRS PLEASE maybe you will find out you are not nessecarily right for those surgerys.. If a biological orgasm is that important to you be careful what you wish for.

Quote from: Kirstie on November 21, 2007, 09:57:13 PM
I want to have sex like a woman really bad! Thats my main reason for wanting SRS! But yes I would have to eat a gun and break my teeth which Im fixing so that wouldnt work! What do you mean eat a GUn!
I want Orgasims really bad! Isnt it the best feeling in life you can have!Apparently women peak higher when they Orgasim than men! Thats what I want!
Can they make that happen or will it be like a Guys orgasim quicker and not as high!
Any way I cant wait to get a womans genitals!

the detachment from 'correct genetals' to 'a womans genetals' is interesting, and trust me, you wont get natal female sexual performance suddenly post grs, different on some accounts, maybe, but not perfect.
Orgasms the best feeling in life?
imo these are better:
Love
kissing someone you love
a good book
chocolate
bubble baths
spending time with true friends
being in bed

orgasms are nice, but you cant phone one up when your sad, or tell it your dreams... as ive said before, id settle for smooth flat flesh if i had to, because kissing and cuddling with someone i love beats sexual gratificiation hands down...
R

Well Im stuck with the 4th option anyway, I had the SRS operation 20years ago, never really had an orgasm but it never bother me, more guys got more pleasure from my vagina than I ever did, I'v absolutely no interest in sex, but the strange thing is if a guy has a ground breaking orgasm in me its very satisfying for me as a woman, in my case its all about satisfying the guy, my femininity is my asset.
But I much prefer a guy to give me a bunch of pink roses, tell me Im pretty and just make me feel special, thats better than all the sex in the world, now that really works for me.

Nail
Head
hit it on the....
R

Quote from: Kirstie on November 23, 2007, 12:01:46 AM

none of us are women anyway!
well not real women!

us?  speak for yourself please.  if you believe you arent a "real woman", be my guest but dont suggest that i fall into your definition of whatever a "real woman" may be.

Kristie,

Transsexuals are as much real women as any other woman on EARTH probally much more so.
I say this for the pure fact of Mentality:

TS really know truly that in thier minds they are WOMEN, most GG dont even know or feel that!!!!

Kristie It is very possible that you are much more like I am a 100% of the time Crossdresser, not all of us are inclined to have SRS.

AND please never be ashamed to have sex they way you are, I mean if you cannot stand your boi parts then it is possible that you are a true TS, But let me assure you that even ME who will never have SRS, FEELS like a REAL women.

RACHEAL,

Im giving you a PLUS 1 on reputation.

thank you for telling it how it is!!!

Mara

I'M PROUD AS A SPECIAL PERSON THAT I AM, WE AREN'T SO MANY ON THE PLANET EARTH ON BOTH HEMISPHERES!!!

SO IF I WANT MY SRS I DON'T CARE IF DOWN THERE IT IS A FLAT - FLAT - AND ONLY FLAT SKIN (as already someone mentioned already).

Quotenone of us are women anyway!
well not real women!

I was born a women with physical defect.

bingo... thats all there is to it... ive NEVER been a boy... ive never thought like one, felt like one, been able to honestly call myself one.. Ill be honest, i sucked at being a guy, i had no life, no friends, no love life, ive blossomed since transition, im happy, free vaugely pretty, and popular. I dont honestly give a flying toadstool if i can never have another orgasm... Sex doesnt rule my life, or matter that much, Love, i want and need. But love doesnt require sex, something that seems to be forgotten thesedays. Love is friendship, but better... i want to settle down with my best friend in the world (when i find him), and be his wife. The cuddling, closeness, and generally spending time together is FAR better than sex could ever be (yeah virgin).
R

Rachael
Im only a newbie here, but your reply is probably one of the best I'v ever read here, I came out at 16, fulltime at 18, then after some surgery and really fulltime at 21, it was 7years till I had SRS, even now I find it hard to look at some of the yutube graphic footage on this board, in the end there was no other way, I had to have SRS to feel complete, nothing to do with sex, for heavens sake, but to be complete as a woman, as I said in my other post, if I satisfy a guy sexual, I feel fullfilled as a woman, partners I'v been with have seen me as a real woman, but I'v no interest in sex, I just want to be cuddled and loved by a real man, you go girl go, with your attitude you will find Mr Right.
P

Quote from: Katia on November 23, 2007, 01:50:04 AM

Quote from: Kirstie on November 23, 2007, 12:01:46 AM

none of us are women anyway!
well not real women!

us?  speak for yourself please.  if you believe you arent a "real woman", be my guest but dont suggest that i fall into your definition of whatever a "real woman" may be.

Ditto

Quote from: Butterfly on November 23, 2007, 01:25:08 PM

Quote from: Katia on November 23, 2007, 01:50:04 AM

Quote from: Kirstie on November 23, 2007, 12:01:46 AM

none of us are women anyway!
well not real women!

us?  speak for yourself please.  if you believe you arent a "real woman", be my guest but dont suggest that i fall into your definition of whatever a "real woman" may be.

Ditto

Ditto, ditto

It is not a matter of wanting GRS, I need it.  I will get it against all odds. I don't have orgasms. I can't while I am within this skin.  It doesn't feel right.  It is more painful than pleasurable.  So to me, I dont care.  I just need GRS, everything else isn't important.

Quote from: melissa90299 on November 24, 2007, 10:04:27 AM

Quote from: Butterfly on November 23, 2007, 01:25:08 PM

Quote from: Katia on November 23, 2007, 01:50:04 AM

Quote from: Kirstie on November 23, 2007, 12:01:46 AM

none of us are women anyway!
well not real women!

us?  speak for yourself please.  if you believe you arent a "real woman", be my guest but dont suggest that i fall into your definition of whatever a "real woman" may be.

Ditto

Ditto, ditto

Ditto, ditto, ditto!
oh hangon  i see where this is going ><
R

At my age having female orgasms is a bonus.  Well at least I aint dead yet.

Cindy