Yes. Already here in Cincinnati there have been tons of transgender stories (albeit some not so good) being talked about that otherwise would be swept under the rug. This brings awareness, which makes it talked about, which eventually gets talked about so much that people just stop caring to make a fuss over it.

Quote from: iKate on June 01, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
I'm happy for her but I'm already seeing lots of negative reaction, misgendering and bad jokes. Visibility may be good but I'm scared at the same time.

I'm positive about the overall effect Jenner's transition will have, and also not a bit surprised by garbage like this Fox News coverage (dubbed "ultra tasteless" by Salon). It hits all of iKate's negative points above:

Well it's all over my Facebook wall now. It's interesting to see who I'll still be friends with in a few months when I do the post there. I'm not unfriending the haters just yet. I'm kind of banking on the possibility that their view will change when they find out someone they've known all their lives is one of them.

I just popped over to a conservative web site and made some quick shots at some really dumb statements. We are not going to win over the really messed up CIS that are out there any time soon. They are comfortable in their cocoon of ignorance and will remain there for a long time. The place I went to currently as about 160 post with most of them having the ignorance level of the dark ages. Fortunately for them, they will never feel our pain. Unfortunately their children will as one post said his treatment would be to give the child proper guidance. I hope that child will someday be able to forgive it's parents.

I hope so. she may not change the world's view of transgender people, but if she changes at least one person's perspective of the trans community then that's amazing.

people aren't typically used to correctly gendering, especially with someone they have know all their lives by, what is now, the incorrect form. I really didn't see much in this that was hateful or condescending. To be honest what I see is the "reach" to paint Fox news as the "evil one" Did you all see the fantastic coverage on their show "the Five"?

  Possible. Wait one year and find out June 1, 2016 if anything changes towards us. Hopefully things will change for the better for us then despite the negative comments from Faux News and other outlets.

Joelene

Quote from: Eveline on June 01, 2015, 09:11:52 PM
I'm positive about the overall effect Jenner's transition will have, and also not a bit surprised by garbage like this Fox News coverage (dubbed "ultra tasteless" by Salon)...

Ultra tasteless was Dr. Phil's comment, "What's the point, Bruce, you're almost 80." Later today, Fox News' most influential commentators, Megyn Kelly and Bill O'Reilly both endorsed Caitlyn's announcement as courageous and congruent with American ideals.

-AshleyP

My view is this. Caitlyn is a person not an icon. Shes living her life and imo shes fabulous but its not her job to be an example. People may look at her and open their mind about the trans community...or they may become even more close minded. Just live and let live

The media infotainment industry exploit who and whatever works for them as a business.  It long ago ceased to be journalism.

I watched CNN for a few minutes tonight and they had a guy on who regretted their transition and was supposedly cautioning Caitlyn about it.  Right, so this guy wrote a book about his regrets and only to happy to sell it too.  Sheesh another shill, that helped me shut the box off for the night. 

Caitlyn has the opportunity to capitalize on her story and hopefully open some minds too.  Just hope the storyline doesn't obscure the buzz kill challenges that face the less privileged, the other 99%.

Yes! YES! YES!

Madonna once said , not quote on quote, that the reason she does what she does is that once society sees its enough its no longer shocking or look at so horribly... society then accepts. Like numbing them down.

These guys I know were laughing about her hardcore yesterday... then compare her to Chelsea Manning.... but it needs to be more expose.

Quote from: Eveline on June 01, 2015, 09:11:52 PM
I'm positive about the overall effect Jenner's transition will have, and also not a bit surprised by garbage like this Fox News coverage (dubbed "ultra tasteless" by Salon). It hits all of iKate's negative points above:

While that is bad, to be fair it is also coming from people like Jamie Foxx who was in the news recently for making offensive trans themed jokes about Jenner before she came out as Caitlyn.

Quote from: Joelene9 on June 01, 2015, 10:26:41 PM
  Possible. Wait one year and find out June 1, 2016 if anything changes towards us. Hopefully things will change for the better for us then despite the negative comments from Faux News and other outlets.

Joelene

I just want ENDA passed so I don't have to worry about being fired in any state for being who I am. An all inclusive one, not just one protecting sexual orientation.

Similar cultural tremors happened when celebs came out as gay. Homosexuality still isn't universally accepted but it's mostly there. I Imagine what Jenner has done will ultimately help not hinder - she looks great in that magazine shoot and she is being very open and honest about herself..

I overheard my kids teacher talking about it with a colleague. It seemed to be a mixed reaction. She was disgusted by all the gory details but she said she's glad he's happy. And yes she misgendered her extensively.

all is good, but just like with all the unveiling of heroes there will be increase in FFS surgery within our community. I hope the expectations will be cautiously conservative. The surgery Caitlin had was quite extensive and aggressive, and I'm sure quite costly.
As to the image of a trans woman, any visibility is welcome, as it transforms taboo into normalcy, yet one fact remains, the most successful trans woman out there are the ones no one hears about as they live normal uneventful, basic life's.
there will always be the two fold to the transforming, on one hand greater freedom so necessary to human experience, and those who decide on remaining within trans spectrum, and on the other, totality of immersion, living life in its fullest while believing in nothing short of destination womanhood.

Quote from: Marly on June 01, 2015, 10:21:27 PM
people aren't typically used to correctly gendering, especially with someone they have know all their lives by, what is now, the incorrect form. I really didn't see much in this that was hateful or condescending. To be honest what I see is the "reach" to paint Fox news as the "evil one" Did you all see the fantastic coverage on their show "the Five"?

It took me awhile to find it - here's the link to the comments on Fox News "The Five": http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/01/andrea-tantaros-more-courageous-jenner-come-out-conservative-caitlyn

I guess for Fox, this isn't too bad if you ignore the misgendering and "plastic" comments...

Eric Bolling used the wrong name, misgendered Caitlyn, and you cannot isolate Bolling's current comments from his prior extreme transphobia.

Fox News also regularly hosts Dr. Keith Ablow who says anyone transgender is "insane".

Note also that "The Five" continued to subtly shove the "it's a choice" meme out there. Again, Eric Bolling: "He wants to be a boy or girl, knock yourself out." It's part of the right wing narrative.

It was better than the usual transphobic drivel from Fox (men in dresses in the bathroom!!!!) but not that much better.

I am no expert on Caitlyn in any way and I have no idea what her agenda is other than living authentic which is what we are all aspiring and doing at some level.

Two quotes come to mind off the top of my head. I have no idea who said them however I think they apply here in the fullness of time IMHO

"There is no such thing as bad press"

She has chosen a certain approach for her own reasons and in the end I think she will have a positive impact eventually and if nothing else to hopefully educate those that are at least willing to learn and be open. She is familiar while being front and center and I am sure we only see a small portion of what her life is like and the stuff she is going to deal with. It took a lot of courage and personal conviction to be so open and on display. I can only admire and respect her for that.

"Better to have people think you are a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

This one is directed towards the media coverage and how they choose to cover this land mark social human event. History and social fallout hopefully will be their judge and legacy in the end even if it takes a while as the general shift and trends is to more acceptance for LGBTQ people.

I hope Caitlyn all the best and may her journey continue in a positive and forward direction to internal peace and happiness.

Quote from: suzifrommd on June 01, 2015, 04:41:52 PM
Already, I feel much more comfortable when I disclose I'm transgender. I get reactions, Oh, like <former name> Jenner. There's less I need to explain.

This. I came out to my mom last night and she mentioned her. I feel like I had to do a lot less explaining or even just laying the groundwork for understanding, as the issue had already been floating around in her mind. While my coming out was still out of left field, it wasn't coming from outside the ballpark or something.

And really, that's huge. The more the general public can see that we're just normal people trying to be happy the easier our lives are going to be. Less circus freak, more person who's been dealt a rough hand in life. It humanizes us as a group.