Honestly as I see more time on HRT as well, I am growing more into the woman I am and who I want to be. My face still has some masculine features, but they are fading with E and now, P.

Yes - proper hormone treatment does a lot - i experience a lot of facial feminization by hormones since I changed HRT 2 years ago as well.

So - 7 months voice update - 2 days ago the Clonazepam ran out - the change seems to not be that negative as I feared - but I noticed that some things like controlling the break is more difficult. To be fair, I recorded both clips after doing the exercises - my voice tends to be worse before doing them...

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1UyH3FApLAI german
http://vocaroo.com/i/s17rGQbjMqmc english

both come out at 185-190 Hz, the low points are however in the 130-140 Hz range in both recordings, so my voice can drop pretty low for some words, but the ear of the listener will probably average it out - and without these lows, I would have less voice melody.

Both samples sound near identical so you are not changing pitch between languages. The inflection is enough to sound feminine but isn't over done and the pitch while low genders female. I think you have a winner as that voice should pass the telephone test.

Anjaq, those samples sound amazing! Your voice is rather charming too congratulations!

So, I'm wondering if my Botox might be wearing off earlier than expected. The past week or two I feel like my voice has backtracked (weaker, more apt to break, tires a little more easily). I know the Botox is supposed to last approximately 16 weeks and right now I'm at almost 11.

But also I remember Dr. Kim did my Botox before the 7 day mark because I had a Friday preop and Monday surgery, so my postop when I got the Botox was day 5 postop. He had said since external healing wasn't totally totally complete (though he saw on the endoscope it was close), that I had to be extra careful with making noise that 24 hours because otherwise the Botox could leak into the surgical site and get cleaned out of my system. Basically he said if that were to happen, it wouldn't have an averse effect on the final surgical outcome, the Botox just wouldn't last as long as normal. And in that 24 hours when I was supposed to be extra careful, I accidentally said "no thank you," to a guy accosting me on the street with a menu.

I'm gonna email Dr. Kim about it but it's the only explanation I can think of. None of my habits have changed at all... But it felt like my voice was on a steady climb, each week better than the next. Suddenly it feels worse. Also as a note, it's worse in the morning and at night. Usually during the day after my first round of exercises I feel great, until about 7 or 8PM or so.  I should also note, when I was talking to my parents about it they were like, you still sound great. And I recorded myself, and I do. So it doesn't sound bad, it just doesn't feel good and feels like it takes more effort to speak. For those who have reached the Botox wearing off stage, does this sound at all similar?


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For me, Botox did last about 13 weeks, not 16, so I had to start on the Clonazpam early, even though I had my Botox shot at the 7 day mark as planned. I totally can imagine that if Dr Kim already said it might last less, that at week 11  you can already have the point where it wears off. I personally wish, my botox would have lasted longer because in the first 4 weeks it basically does nothing and in the 4 weeks after it has little to do, the main effect would have been after week 8 when one does voice training. But it cannot be helped.
You can write Dr Kim an email, be sure to include a voice file, otherwise he will ask for one anyways and you just wait for some days for that reply . I think he will recommend to start the Clonazepam then.

And yes - for me Botox wearing off was the feeling that I had a harder time controlling my voice, I was getting more hoarse and more strained. For me the Clonazepam did not do too much to help all of these things, I mainly had to work with the voice exercises and voice rehab to improve those things.

I don't know if mine wore off but my voice quality is a bit different now. 13 weeks here as well.

I got my botox on day 6.

But I have zero endurance issues or anything else described.

Quote from: anjaq on September 26, 2015, 04:21:17 AM
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For me, Botox did last about 13 weeks, not 16, so I had to start on the Clonazpam early, even though I had my Botox shot at the 7 day mark as planned. I totally can imagine that if Dr Kim already said it might last less, that at week 11  you can already have the point where it wears off. I personally wish, my botox would have lasted longer because in the first 4 weeks it basically does nothing and in the 4 weeks after it has little to do, the main effect would have been after week 8 when one does voice training. But it cannot be helped.
You can write Dr Kim an email, be sure to include a voice file, otherwise he will ask for one anyways and you just wait for some days for that reply . I think he will recommend to start the Clonazepam then.

And yes - for me Botox wearing off was the feeling that I had a harder time controlling my voice, I was getting more hoarse and more strained. For me the Clonazepam did not do too much to help all of these things, I mainly had to work with the voice exercises and voice rehab to improve those things.

Good to know! Thanks :-). Gonna email him tonight. Again, during the day my voice sounds great, and then it's at night that it starts getting rough. So I'm gonna wait till the problem starts later tonight to record something to send him, cause if I recorded something now, it would sound good.


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Hmm - I guess if it is only getting bad after a day of talking, its not too bad yet. It may be that you are just using your voice a lot more and that is IMO a problem that lasts for months - if I talk too loudly or for a long time, I still get a bad voice later on and tension and all that. I guess it takes those 12 months for this to settle down

Quote from: anjaq on September 26, 2015, 04:58:42 PM
Hmm - I guess if it is only getting bad after a day of talking, its not too bad yet. It may be that you are just using your voice a lot more and that is IMO a problem that lasts for months - if I talk too loudly or for a long time, I still get a bad voice later on and tension and all that. I guess it takes those 12 months for this to settle down

Yeah, and weirdly I was out ALL night last night for my birthday, and we were in a loud bar so I was talking loudly all night, and my voice felt fine when we went for late 3AM drunk food. In fact it felt more than fine, it felt particularly good. So I don't know haha.

I haven't posted a recording in a while. This is my 13 weeks post-op. 

You can hear the breathiness going away and the power returning.

The quality is a little less and the pitch is a bit lower than I usually am as last night I was out hanging out with my friends having a lot of drinks (to celebrate my birthday and name change) and eating a ton of spicy food that we made. So I am a little sore this morning.

But it is what it is. I wasn't clocked by anyone yesterday, but last night I asked a liquor store clerk why I had to show my ID (yet again). She said she really thought I was 19 or 20. She examined the ID long and hard to make sure it wasn't fake.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0NSX7VP1483

Quote from: Dana88 on September 27, 2015, 02:59:33 PM
Yeah, and weirdly I was out ALL night last night for my birthday, and we were in a loud bar so I was talking loudly all night, and my voice felt fine when we went for late 3AM drunk food. In fact it felt more than fine, it felt particularly good. So I don't know haha.

When I'm at the shooting range I have to  talk loud because, duh, it's loud and people have earmuffs on. But usually after when I'm with the ladies Bs'ing and stuff as well as my other friends I'm fine.

Jamie (J-Mi aka lovelyjmi) is releasing her documentary on her Yeson VFS journey this Saturday. It'll be linked on their facebook, J-Mi and Midi-D I am guessing.

Quote from: iKate on September 27, 2015, 05:25:16 PM
I haven't posted a recording in a while. This is my 13 weeks post-op. 

You can hear the breathiness going away and the power returning.

The quality is a little less and the pitch is a bit lower than I usually am as last night I was out hanging out with my friends having a lot of drinks (to celebrate my birthday and name change) and eating a ton of spicy food that we made. So I am a little sore this morning.

But it is what it is. I wasn't clocked by anyone yesterday, but last night I asked a liquor store clerk why I had to show my ID (yet again). She said she really thought I was 19 or 20. She examined the ID long and hard to make sure it wasn't fake.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0NSX7VP1483

You sound fantastic!!

Quote from: jollyjoy on September 30, 2015, 01:20:59 PM
You sound fantastic!!

Thanks =)

I had voice feminization surgery at Yeson Voice Center early August this year (2015). It's almost been two months (only a few days away) and I can honestly say I am extremely dissatisfied with the results so far. I see these videos they post that show two month results and they all sound so good. The voice samples I have heard here sound good too, it makes me wonder if mine will ever sound better. My boyfriend and my Mom don't think I sound any different at all and I have to say that I agree with them. I know it hasn't quite been two months yet, but I'm having a REAL hard time believing that physically shortening my vocal chords does not have an immediate change in pitch. From a logical standpoint that makes absolutely NO sense. When I asked them about this they told me that it could be 4-5 months, so I can't quite rage about it yet but I'm having a tough time believing this after seeing videos and hearing the results here. Why would I be a special case? I swear if I have one more botched surgery I'm going to absolutely loose it.

Where did you have surgery done?

Yeson, I thought that was auto assumed since that's the name of this thread...

Can you post a recording?

Also, if your trained voice was in the female range before, that could have an effect. Usually those who see no results have had trained voices and either their expectations were too high or for some reason their brain just doesn't try to go higher with the voice pitch.

Quote from: Perfection on October 01, 2015, 02:00:49 AM
Yeson, I thought that was auto assumed since that's the name of this thread...

Assumption is the death of communication.