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Transgender Americans Have Been Registering Their Transitions With Social Securi

Started by stephaniec, October 05, 2015, 03:07:38 PM

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cindianna_jones

Quote from: iKate on October 13, 2015, 06:41:55 PM
I did mine today. Court order became effective on Sunday but yesterday was a holiday.

It was straightforward. I filled out the forms at home, printed it and carried it in.

I had my letter, court order and new photo ID with name and gender corrected.

Took a number and they called me to the window. I gave the guy the docs and said I need to update my name and gender. He took the docs in the back because he had to consult a supervisor I think. He came back and said all was well, he just needed to find out what the proper procedure was and make sure the letter was in the correct format.

He then did a whole bunch of stuff on the computer, printed out an order for a new card, had me verify the data. He took it back when I verified and gave me back my docs. He destroyed the old social security card.

I should have it in the mail soon and then I can update my name at payroll and the other places at work where I needed to wait until an official legal name change.

My letter was NOT notarized and it didn't have to be.

Yay! Another one bites the dust! Go girl.
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Valwen

When I went to the rmv after going to the social security office I did not have my card yet, it didn't matter because the number dose not change and they look it all up on there network. So I actually got the licence in the mail like 3 days later the ss card a week or so after that and a brew debit card a day or two after the ss card.

Serena
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Is it the depressed little voice inside? Whispering in my ear? Telling me to give up?
Well I'm not giving up. Not for that part of me that hates myself. That part wants me to wither and die. not for you. Never for you.  --Loki: Agent of Asgard

Started HRT Febuary 21st 2015
First Time Out As Myself June 8th 2015
Full Time June 24th 2015
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lisarenee

Question for those who changed Gender after Name...what form did you fill out? Did they send you a new card? I ask because my card only lists name and SSN (no mention of sex or gender). But, the state requires you to have updated your information (or they did when I got my name change) with Social Security (at least a day) before you can change your license. There really isn't any need for a new SS card as it would say exactly the same thing as my current one, but updating SS is required for a new license.
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Jessie Ann

You need to fill out form SS-5. 

I'm not sure I can post a link to the SS Administration page but if you go to the SS website and put gender change into the search box you will get the page that has instructions on changing gender.  Hopefully the web address is ok to post so you can cut and paste.

https://faq.ssa.gov/link/portal/34011/34019/Article/2856/How-do-160-I-change-my-160-gender-on-160-Social-Security-s-records

Quote from: lisarenee on October 14, 2015, 01:23:54 PM
Question for those who changed Gender after Name...what form did you fill out? Did they send you a new card? I ask because my card only lists name and SSN (no mention of sex or gender). But, the state requires you to have updated your information (or they did when I got my name change) with Social Security (at least a day) before you can change your license. There really isn't any need for a new SS card as it would say exactly the same thing as my current one, but updating SS is required for a new license.
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Sharon Anne McC

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I began a long time ago (1978).  I merely wrote about my beginning transition circumstance to SSA and explained that I was under medical care.  A few weeks later or so I got a surprise in the mail - my new SSA card.

SSA accepted me and changed my file; SSA showed me as Sharon and female though I was still employed as my male predecessor Nick.  SSA reports this in their periodic discrepancy list to each employer.  That caused immediate trouble where I worked at a personnel office for a federal agency (1978 - 1985).  One day early in my tenure I came back to my desk overhearing my supervisor, the agency office's Personnel Director, and another office supervisor in the discussion of 'She's a he.', 'No, he's a she.'  They were trying to figure me out unaware of my presence nearby.

I eventually endured nearly six years of harassment and bullying; I still don't know why I stayed.  But where was I to go?  Such discrimination was likely elsewhere during the early 1980s.

The worst of this work situation was when a subsequent supervisor summoned me to her office and outright told me she was initiating action to fire me on the charge that I was a female working there as a male; she told me, 'We can't have you doing that here.'  Apparently neither she nor other managers recognised my direction was male to female.  I regret not returning to work the next day as Sharon and putting the issue back in her court.  Instead I fought the separation action for two futile years until it wore me down.  I achieved vindication; I filed my Unemployment Insurance claim as Sharon / female.  UI agreed with my case and ruled in my favorur that the employer subjected me to nearly six years of a hostile work environment.

SSA roared again a decade ago.  For an as yet unexplained reason, SSA reverted my record to my long ago former predecessor Nick and male.  That brought about my name to my state agency employer again with the same dangerous issues.  Here we go again.

The state agency manager summoned me to her office and asked me why my SSAN changed from Sharon and female to Nick and male.  I refused to answer - it was none of their business.  I went to SSA to determine how to fix it; they told me to go back to court and get a new Name / Sex change court order and they will restore me to Sharon and female.  Done.  My state agency employer fired me anyway for being a transsexual.  I sought recovery to my job through my state's process and won but my agency still refused to restore me to my position.  I went back to UI and won again for the same reason as two decades earlier - my employer enacted an intolerable work environment against me.

Oh no, we're not finished with SSA.  My home was burglarised and ransacked last year; the thieves stole my medical files and payroll files containing my intimate information and SSAN.  I went to SSA to report this to thwart identity theft.  Oh no, not again!  I made numerous trips back and forth to SSA from January through July this year getting them to correct their latest reversions - yes, multiple times this year alone they repeatedly flipt my file between one and the other.  In fact, I departed SSA on a Wednesday with their own document in my hands declaring they corrected their error once and for all back to Sharon and female.  I returned to SSA two days later on Friday to verify my file and again they had reverted it to Nick and male and refused to tell me why.

My file is supposedly now still Sharon and female - but I'm not holding my breath.

Through all this, SSA refuses to explain their actions.

The definitive authority is SSA Regulation 'RM 10212.200′ rather than what the SSA web-site posts.  (I have a copy of that SSA regulation at my personal web-site.)  Notary is NOT required per SSA's own requirement.

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1956:  Birth (AMAB)
1974-1985:  Transition (core transition:  1977-1985)
1977:  Enrolled in Stanford University Medical Center's 'Gender Dysphoria Program'
1978:  First transition medical appointment
1978:  Corresponded with Janus Information Facility (Galveston)
1978:  Changed my SSA file to Sharon / female
1979:  First psychological evaluation - passed
1979:  Began ERT (Norinyl, DES, Premarin, estradiol, progesterone)
1980:  Arizona affirmed me legally as Sharon / female
1980:  MVD changed my licence to Sharon / female
1980:  First bank account as Sharon / female
1982:  Inter-sex exploratory:  diagnosed Inter-sex (genetically female)
1983:  Inter-sex corrective surgery
1984:  Full-blown 'male fail' phase
1985:  Transition complete to female full-time forever
2015:  Awakening from self-imposed deep stealth and isolation
2015 - 2016:  Chettawut Clinic - patient companion and revision
Today:  Happy!
Future:  I wanna return to Bangkok with other Thai experience friends

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lisarenee

Quote from: Jessie Ann on October 14, 2015, 04:42:43 PM
You need to fill out form SS-5.

So, you have to apply for a new card even though one is not really needed. I would have hoped that they would have a form to correct information not listed on the card, but this is the federal government we are talking about.
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cindianna_jones

Sharon Anne, you have been through hell. I sympathize with you. I changed mine in 87. The process was smooth and painless. Work was hellish, though. I went through some of the same crap. I thought that I'd never lose it.

Cindi
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Jessie Ann

Yep.  But it does let them have only one form for application for a card and to make changes.  The form actually states that it is apply for an initial card, replacement card or to change information.  You can probably ask them to not send a new card because there is a limit on the number of cards they will issue to individuals - 3 per calendar year and 10 in their lifetime.  I believe that I have now been issued 4 or 5 over the last 50 + years.

Quote from: lisarenee on October 15, 2015, 12:49:24 PM
So, you have to apply for a new card even though one is not really needed. I would have hoped that they would have a form to correct information not listed on the card, but this is the federal government we are talking about.
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lisarenee

Quote from: Jessie Ann on October 15, 2015, 01:33:12 PMthere is a limit on the number of cards they will issue to individuals - 3 per calendar year and 10 in their lifetime.  I believe that I have now been issued 4 or 5 over the last 50 + years.

I remember reading that when I was there last time. I think it said that name changes don't count against the limit, though. I have had 2 cards this Calendar year and at least 3 cards so far --

1) September 14, 2001: I'm not sure if this was the original, but it is the one my parents gave me when I got my first job (for the Form I-9).

2) April 2015: The Clerk of Courts in my county required a copy of my SS Card and a Certified Copy of my Birth Certificate before they would give me a court date. I had a scanned copy of my SS Card, but had lost the actual card. They accepted the petition with a printout of the scanned copy, but said I'd have to apply for a new one because the judge might make me show it. I was born in the same state I live so getting a Birth Certificate was a simple run down to the Health Dept. during my Lunch break. They also told me to bring another copy (as they had kept the one I submitted) of my Birth Certificate. I applied for a new SS Card and got it a week later. On my court date, the Bailiff only asked for my Driver's License, which is what I've heard from the other person I know who did their name change in the same county.

3) May 2013: A few weeks later, I got my name change and had to get a new card.
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Kibi

Quote from: iKate on October 13, 2015, 06:41:55 PM
I did mine today. Court order became effective on Sunday but yesterday was a holiday.

It was straightforward. I filled out the forms at home, printed it and carried it in.

I had my letter, court order and new photo ID with name and gender corrected.

Took a number and they called me to the window. I gave the guy the docs and said I need to update my name and gender. He took the docs in the back because he had to consult a supervisor I think. He came back and said all was well, he just needed to find out what the proper procedure was and make sure the letter was in the correct format.

He then did a whole bunch of stuff on the computer, printed out an order for a new card, had me verify the data. He took it back when I verified and gave me back my docs. He destroyed the old social security card.

I should have it in the mail soon and then I can update my name at payroll and the other places at work where I needed to wait until an official legal name change.

My letter was NOT notarized and it didn't have to be.

Congratulations!

I did not have a notary for my letter of gender marker change either. Though It needs to be an original not a copy. Blue ink for the dr signature is helpful.
I go by many names... I have identity issues.
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Jessie Ann

SSA - POMS  RM 0205.400 governs the limits on replacement cards.  Based on the SSA regulations your #1 doesn't count because it was issued prior to 12/17/2005, and your #3 doesn't count because it was issued because of a legal name change.

You probably should take a copy of RM 0205.400 because it will provide guidance to the SSA clerk who changes your gender on how they can suppress the issuance of a new card.  Transactions where just the Numident information is changed and issuance of a new card is suppressed does not count towards the card limit.

Here is the link -  https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110205400

Quote from: lisarenee on October 15, 2015, 05:39:00 PM
I remember reading that when I was there last time. I think it said that name changes don't count against the limit, though. I have had 2 cards this Calendar year and at least 3 cards so far --

1) September 14, 2001: I'm not sure if this was the original, but it is the one my parents gave me when I got my first job (for the Form I-9).

3) May 2013: A few weeks later, I got my name change and had to get a new card.
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iKate

I've had a few SS cards.

One was my initial card, with the legend, "not valid for employment without INS authorization."

The other was when I had the legend removed as I got my permanent green card rather than just a work permit.

When I became a citizen I went to update that info and they mailed me a new card. Same name, but new card?

Now they are going to send me a new card with my updated name.

So that will be 4 cards so far.
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Jessie Ann

I don't believe any of those will count towards the total.  Your change of immigration/work authorization status doesn't apply.  Additionally, any cards obtained before 12/17/2005 don't count towards the total.  The initially issued original card isn't counted, nor are the removal of restrictive legends counted. 

So based on the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) of 2004 (which is where the limits come from) I am still at 0, even though I have had 4 cards issued during my lifetime.  Three were before 2005 and the last one was because of a legal name change.

Quote from: iKate on October 15, 2015, 09:20:40 PM
I've had a few SS cards.

One was my initial card, with the legend, "not valid for employment without INS authorization."

The other was when I had the legend removed as I got my permanent green card rather than just a work permit.

When I became a citizen I went to update that info and they mailed me a new card. Same name, but new card?

Now they are going to send me a new card with my updated name.

So that will be 4 cards so far.
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Jessie Ann

Joi -

Once you have your newly issued 10 year passport that is all you have to take to the SSA to change your gender marker.  You can take your doctors letter if you think you will need additional documentation but it only has to say that you have had "appropriate clinical treatment for gender transition" it doesn't have to say that you "have completed your transition to the female gender."  It is in the previously mentioned Program Operations Manual System (POMS)  RM 10212.200.

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0110212200

Quote from: Joi on October 11, 2015, 03:30:30 AM
I changed my name at SS the same day that I received my legal name change.  Smooth as silk.  It wasn't until about a month later that I  thought about changing my gender, but this had more to do due with my desire to change my gender on my "Medicare Card" card. (As it references gender.)  Thought that it would be easy as well.  Created an online SS account at SS using my new name.  It is at this site, that one can request a new (or replacement) Medicare Card.  Sent in the request.  A few weeks later I received a letter from Medicare addressed to my new name. Although, the letter was addressed to my new name, inside was a replacement card from Medicare using my old name with no change to the gender marker).  Have since learned that one has to go back to SS and submit a letter from your MD saying that you "have completed your transition to the female gender."  (This is the same letter that I sent to Dept. of State with my legal name change docs. with my request for name change). The Dept. of State is supposed to change the gender on my passport accordingly as well.  Still waiting for my new passport.  Expecting it anyday. When I get it I'm going to take both my passport and the letter from the MD to SS and get this accomplished?
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