Quote from: Ashley Michelle on December 22, 2007, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: Nichole W. on December 22, 2007, 09:14:22 AM
Quote from: Rachael on December 22, 2007, 08:50:46 AM
not really... if you know how, you can leave the face of the planet. and return someone else entirely with no trans facts at all 
but we wont go there...
also, if your giving someone reason to check your history to find out if your trans, do you pass that well to start with? lol
R 
It doesn't require that much, just someone with more time on their hands and money than a life. There are many like that. Prolly even a few on BBs.
As for 'stealth' get your education and apply for employment with a multi-national, MI-5 or MI-6, any employment in UK that requires a background check: in USA that would include day-care center, a bank, mental hospitals, police, fire department, government employments, on and on.
Leaving the planet and returning LOL prolly wouldn't work here either. Our little building demolitions back in 2001 have pretty much placed an end to stealth as it used to be known in USA. The new national id card will fix it so even McDonald's will know soon.
That leaves the onus on me, or you, to live lives with the realities of ueber-security (the thought that I will never die or even be injured as a constitutional right) embracing us all. Even when people know, they don't always remember they know with the right attitude and 'presentation.' So, its all pretty much up to the individual to make their lives work.
O, you might get an under-the-table employment running illegals into the country or be a drugs dealer without the security vet, but most reasonably good employments will out you. Soon, I imagine, even the poor ones will.
N~
which is all the more reason for an inclusive enda.
or, finding a job in one of the 13 states and many individual cities that currently have enda-like protections. as i begin to start my job search in anticipation of finishing law school next year, that is extremely high on my list
~ashley~
Yeah, much to be liked about those 13 states. The feds may even follow suit in another 20 years. Let's see 8 of ClintonII or Obama ... O my, where do I find the remaining 12!!!?
I live 200 yards from such a state and am in grad school there. Of course, no legal challenges yet on the employment matter and the recent "gay marriage" approval has shown some problems with employments disregarding things like "spousal" medical coverages, etc.
Laws tend to be guidelines more than demands, Ash. They're nice to have in place, but the enforcement and the disincentives to break the darned things are those factors that never get written into laws. I am consistently amazed at Americans who seem to think that "passing a law" solves the problem.
I remember, vaguely, I was 12, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed and how outraged some people were at one of our Senators for pushing its passage. (I grew up in a Border State and segregation was 'the law.')
My first experience of a black child in my high school was two years later, when i was a freshman. His family had lived three miles from me for forty years. He bused every day of his life till he was in 10th grade to a school 20 miles away because he had to "be with his kind."
Things do change, as do attitudes, but laws seldom make sea-changes. They do, however, give you grounds for some legal protections that will be, often, enforced after-the-fact provided you have the wherewithal to "outlast" the corporation or people on the other side.
I don't mean this to sound hopeless, it isn't hopeless and the changes that have been made and seem to be, slowly, on the way are good ones and in time they will matter a lot. I just suspect that black people in USA who were 20 in 1964 waited quite some time to see 'change' really come. I know they did.
Having grown up in the "South" and lived as well in the "Deep South," Texas, Washington and California, I find it strange living here in the "Northeast" that I am now living in the most racially segregated places in USA that I have ever lived in. *shrug*
I think it helps the change when those who think they don't need to change discover that they do. I expect a lot of Black, Hispanic and Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Laotian and Indian people living up this way might just agree with me.
N~
Posted on: December 22, 2007, 10:43:54 AM
Quote from: Rachael on December 22, 2007, 09:28:17 AM
i wasnt talking about vetting... i was talking about how easy it is to get a new clean identity. 
R
"You say po-tay-ta I say po-taa-ta. Let's call the whole thing off."
Hugs,
Nichole
