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How do I cheaply get rid of the baldness on the top of my head?

Started by Futurist, November 28, 2015, 06:05:52 PM

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Futurist

Anyway, I myself am a 23-year-old male-bodied genderqueer person who is currently already extremely close to being bald due to my poor genetics in regards to this. While I have not began physically transitioning yet, I am wondering if there are any cheap ways for me to get rid of the baldness on the top of my head. After all, I certainly cannot like like a girly guy (and eventually like a girly eunuch :)) if I will be bald (on the top of my head, obviously). :(

Anyway, any thoughts on this?
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Ms Grace

If you are already bald - shiny top bald - then the chances of recovery are probably slim. I have no idea how effective hair transplants are but they're obviously not cheap. There are plenty of people out there who would gladly relieve you of your money for their bogus cures and fixes. The only real way to stop it and potentially reverse it is to stop it right at the start of the process. I'm not being glib here, you can always consider a good quality wig - sure it's not as great as having the real thing, but at $100-$500 or so a pop they're still miles cheaper than therapies that may not work anyway. Good wigs can be comfortable to wear every day and convincing - and I'm speaking from experience.
Grace
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Futurist

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 28, 2015, 06:14:10 PM
If you are already bald - shiny top bald - then the chances of recovery are probably slim. I have no idea how effective hair transplants are but they're obviously not cheap. There are plenty of people out there who would gladly relieve you of your money for their bogus cures and fixes. The only real way to stop it and potentially reverse it is to stop it right at the start of the process. I'm not being glib here, you can always consider a good quality wig - sure it's not as great as having the real thing, but at $100-$500 or so a pop they're still miles cheaper than therapies that may not work anyway. Good wigs can be comfortable to wear every day and convincing - and I'm speaking from experience.
Here is a question, though--this might be an out-of-the-box idea, but what about growing my hair out very long and then putting my long hair on the top of my head and using hair clips to hold my hair in place? Could that work for this?

After all, I myself am unfortunately already almost completely bald and thus it is certainly way too late for me to completely stop the balding process right now.
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Ms Grace

Doing that hasn't worked for Donald Trump. You might find your hair won't get long enough for it to work, but give it a go by all means. Believe me, a good wig works wonders.
Grace
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Futurist

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 28, 2015, 06:26:18 PM
Doing that hasn't worked for Donald Trump. You might find your hair won't get long enough for it to work, but give it a go by all means.

Wouldn't taking estrogen replacement therapy significantly help in regards to achieving the necessary hair length for this, though?

QuoteBelieve me, a good wig works wonders.

I know, which is why I certainly want to eventually purchase such a wig. Also, though, there is the option of wearing a nice, pretty hat instead of wearing a wig. :)
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Ms Grace

Quote from: Futurist on November 28, 2015, 06:33:56 PM
Wouldn't taking estrogen replacement therapy significantly help in regards to achieving the necessary hair length for this, though?

It might, but it will probably take several years while the follicles go through their cycles, recover from the DHT poisoning and start to produce hair for longer periods of time. Unlikely to happen with anything you're growing right now.

Quote from: Futurist on November 28, 2015, 06:33:56 PMI know, which is why I certainly want to eventually purchase such a wig. Also, though, there is the option of wearing a nice, pretty hat instead of wearing a wig. :)

Sure. The one great thing about a wig is that it can change the whole look and shape of your face and make it appear more feminine. A hat only covers your head. I pass with a wig. Doubt I would in a hat.
Grace
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Futurist

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 28, 2015, 06:40:59 PM
It might, but it will probably take several years while the follicles go through their cycles, recover from the DHT poisoning and start to produce hair for longer periods of time. Unlikely to happen with anything you're growing right now.

DHT poisoning?

QuoteSure. The one great thing about a wig is that it can change the whole look and shape of your face and make it appear more feminine. A hat only covers your head. I pass with a wig. Doubt I would in a hat.

Yes, very good point. :) Also, though, please keep in mind that I myself still want to pass as a male (albeit as a very girly/feminine male), so yeah. :)
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Dena

The body converts T to DHT which is far more masculinizing effects. This cause hair loss/baldness in men. There are drugs that will block the DHT from affecting the hair but they are most effective when used early. You can talk to your doctor about this and see if these drugs will work on your hair issues.
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Futurist

Quote from: Dena on November 28, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
The body converts T to DHT which is far more masculinizing effects. This cause hair loss/baldness in men. There are drugs that will block the DHT from affecting the hair but they are most effective when used early. You can talk to your doctor about this and see if these drugs will work on your hair issues.
Thanks for this information, Dena! :) Also, though, I would like to point out that I myself am unfortunately already almost completely bald on the top of my head; thus, most of the hair on the top of my head is unfortunately already gone by now. :( In addition to this, though, would DHT blockers reduce my ability to have erections using my penis and to have penis-in-vagina sex? Completely serious question--after all, I myself am not particularly knowledgeable about DHT in particular.
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Dena

You are asking for the best of both worlds and I don't think it will be possible. The DHT blockers shouldn't alter your sexual abilities but removing T will. Current HRT uses blockers which shut down T production and they result in a reduced sex drive and issues with sexual function. Taking estrogen without castration is possible and it will feminize to some degree and still allow sexual function if the dosage is correct. I transition this way and unfortunately I retained sexual abilities but some of the girls I transitioned with lost sexual ability.

Something else you may not be aware of is after a vasectomy there needs to be a follow up visit to ensure the surgery was successful. Men sometimes don't check after the surgery to ensure it was successful and the results are children.
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Futurist

Quote from: Dena on November 28, 2015, 10:29:59 PM
You are asking for the best of both worlds and I don't think it will be possible. The DHT blockers shouldn't alter your sexual abilities but removing T will. Current HRT uses blockers which shut down T production and they result in a reduced sex drive and issues with sexual function. Taking estrogen without castration is possible and it will feminize to some degree and still allow sexual function if the dosage is correct. I transition this way and unfortunately I retained sexual abilities but some of the girls I transitioned with lost sexual ability.

What about simultaneously taking both testosterone and estrogen replacement therapy, though?

QuoteSomething else you may not be aware of is after a vasectomy there needs to be a follow up visit to ensure the surgery was successful. Men sometimes don't check after the surgery to ensure it was successful and the results are children.

Actually, I am already well-aware of this. In addition to this, I am also well-aware of the fact that re-canalization can and sometimes does occur and that vasectomy doctors are certainly unwilling to man up and to pay all of their patients' child support afterwards. :( Thus, a vasectomy is certainly unacceptable for me; after all, I am certainly extremely intolerant of doctors who refuse to take responsibility for their screw-ups. :(
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Ms Grace

Quote from: Futurist on November 28, 2015, 11:14:29 PM
What about simultaneously taking both testosterone and estrogen replacement therapy, though?

You're going to have to talk to an endocrinologist about that. The body is actually finely tuned when it comes to the endocrine system and pumping yourself with hormones that have opposite effects is likely to have some unpleasant and dangerous side effects. Taking HRT isn't the same as popping an asprin, it has definite physical effects and needs to be entered into carefully.
Grace
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Futurist

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 28, 2015, 11:59:20 PM
You're going to have to talk to an endocrinologist about that. The body is actually finely tuned when it comes to the endocrine system and pumping yourself with hormones that have opposite effects is likely to have some unpleasant and dangerous side effects. Taking HRT isn't the same as popping an asprin, it has definite physical effects and needs to be entered into carefully.
OK, and will do! :)
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Dena

There are safe maximums for hormone levels. Exceeding those levels can cause a number of dangerous health issues. If you want the maximum feminization, you want a high E level which would be a low T level. To have sexual function, you would need to back off on the E level. In my case, the E levels weren't sufficiently high to suppress the T production completely. I was taking the maximum dosage and I may have had reduced T levels but they never tested sex hormone levels on me so I don't know exactly what was going on in my body.

After surgery, my dosage was cut to a quarter and my body continued to feminize so I know there was a conflict when both hormone were present in my system.
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Futurist

Quote from: Dena on November 29, 2015, 12:03:10 AM
There are safe maximums for hormone levels. Exceeding those levels can cause a number of dangerous health issues. If you want the maximum feminization, you want a high E level which would be a low T level. To have sexual function, you would need to back off on the E level. In my case, the E levels weren't sufficiently high to suppress the T production completely. I was taking the maximum dosage and I may have had reduced T levels but they never tested sex hormone levels on me so I don't know exactly what was going on in my body.

After surgery, my dosage was cut to a quarter and my body continued to feminize so I know there was a conflict when both hormone were present in my system.
Thank you very much for all of this information. :) Also, though, I really should talk about all of this with a doctor (though again, my desire for surgical castration is absolutely unchangeable :)).
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captains

In terms of cheap solutions, if you have some hair up top, you may find that you have good results with a keratin cover-up product like Toppik (http://www.toppik.com/). I had some hair loss after becoming severely anaemic, and I had really good success hiding the issue with these kinds of products. They require something to "cling to" though, so if you're (as Grace put it) shiny top bald, it may not work as well. Otherwise, I think finasteride and minoxidil are still pretty much the only treatments out there.

Good luck!
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Searching Human

I have a problem with hair falling out. Mine doesn't seem to be hereditary though. My mom got it from somewhere and I got it from her after using her combs. It looks like it's some sort of fungus.
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Kimberley Beauregard

Mine might well be hereditary. My late grandad's uncle had it from an early age, but it seems to have come with old age for other guys in my family tree. Surprisingly, Regaine has actually made a noticeable difference even on areas where there used to be no hair at all. Many fine and light hairs with a few thicker full-coloured strands have already sprouted and I've used this for barely a month. I might trial it for another three and see if it gets me the results I want (subscribe and save is only £25 on amazon.co.uk). If it doesn't and I'm not in a high enough paying job for hair implants by next year, I'll just get myself a decent wig.
- Kim
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