Racheal I couldnt agree more those MYTHS NEED TO DIE QUICK LIKE SEE!!

Merry Christmas to you too.

Quote from: Rachael on December 24, 2007, 03:26:32 AM
'the ->-bleeped-<- hierarchy: CD-non op, pre op, post op. (people poop down)'
'Rachael smiles'
R >

Androgynes, genderqueers, etc are so low on the totem pole that we don't even get mentioned at all! What are we, chopped liver? >  

y2g

She also forgot that post ops themselves are seperated in

Unpassable, Passable, the passable separated in Non Stealth, Almost Stealth and Deep Stealth, Non Stealth separated in Activists, Performers and Plain don't give a crap.

I could separate all of those in sub-sections according to socio-economic status, beauty, number of freckles, etc.

All of this to say, that our community, which is already a very very small minority, is one of the most self-segrated ones there is... And this aint a myth.

Actually, the myth is that all TS somehow commune with the same mind  😉

Hi Ell,

   Would you like me to hold your hand?   

Quote from: Keira on December 24, 2007, 11:21:03 AM

She also forgot that post ops themselves are seperated in

Unpassable, Passable, the passable separated in Non Stealth, Almost Stealth and Deep Stealth, Non Stealth separated in Activists, Performers and Plain don't give a crap.

I could separate all of those in sub-sections according to socio-economic status, beauty, number of freckles, etc.

All of this to say, that our community, which is already a very very small minority, is one of the most self-segrated ones there is... And this aint a myth.

Actually, the myth is that all TS somehow commune with the same mind 

O my!!! How about a few million communities of one!!

Quote from: y2gender on December 24, 2007, 11:11:28 AM

Quote from: Rachael on December 24, 2007, 03:26:32 AM
'the ->-bleeped-<- hierarchy: CD-non op, pre op, post op. (people poop down)'
'Rachael smiles'
R >

Androgynes, genderqueers, etc are so low on the totem pole that we don't even get mentioned at all! What are we, chopped liver? >  

y2g

well, there are some people who won't or can't begin (or continue) transitioning to their target gender, and so stay in a limbo state and call themselves Androgynes. they get flak from both angles: the "->-bleeped-<-r than thou's" don't seem to want "men in dresses" in the community because they think it brings negative attention and a negative image to being transsexual. so they don't want such people to even begin transition. but by pleasing the "->-bleeped-<-r than thou's" by not attempting to transition, then the regular trans people say, if you are pre-HRT are you really a member of the "community"? we are taking great risks to transition, at any cost, even if we don't know for sure if we will pass or not: what are you doing? then the ->-bleeped-<-r than thou's come back with the double whammy and the double bind: "Transition is not a choice!"

The "community" will drive you crazy. Please proceed as you think best.

-ell

I think ell has a point, In my opinion this should be the most accepting community of all.

If a individual wants to call themselves a Andro TS then let them,

I tried to do that for myself and personally know what its like to get double whammyied here on susans, so I polietly said OK.

In fact one of the former posts in this thread is something like

MYTH:  You can be in two categories, like Andro and TS.

So at this point I am finding people in the same thread with opposing views on the myth of classification, but lets face it you can be whatever you want, who cares It doesnt hurt you, it doesnt even hurt the "TS" image, I mean common things will change as a whole not just for the TS community, so dont expect just TS's to be accepted one day, cause we wont until ALL Transgender individuals are recgonized.

In my opinion I think it is unique that there are individuals out there that trancend the stereo typical boundaries of the distinct classifications that exist in our current community, and it just goes further to show the true nature of human gender, and should not be forced to "Fit".  ITS AWESOME that we are all different and it should be CELEBRATED!!!!

Quote from: Rebis on December 24, 2007, 11:31:26 AM
Hi Ell,

   Would you like me to hold your hand?   

Yes. yes i would like that.

Quote from: Keira on December 24, 2007, 11:21:03 AM

She also forgot that post ops themselves are seperated in

Unpassable, Passable, the passable separated in Non Stealth, Almost Stealth and Deep Stealth, Non Stealth separated in Activists, Performers and Plain don't give a crap.

LOL, so true!

Quote from: ell on December 24, 2007, 11:55:47 AM

well, there are some people who won't or can't begin (or continue) transitioning to their target gender, and so stay in a limbo state and call themselves Androgynes. they get flak from both angles: the "->-bleeped-<-r than thou's" don't seem to want "men in dresses" in the community because they think it brings negative attention and a negative image to being transsexual. so they don't want such people to even begin transition. but by pleasing the "->-bleeped-<-r than thou's" by not attempting to transition, then the regular trans people say, if you are pre-HRT are you really a member of the "community"? we are taking great risks to transition, at any cost, even if we don't know for sure if we will pass or not: what are you doing? then the ->-bleeped-<-r than thou's come back with the double whammy and the double bind: "Transition is not a choice!"

The "community" will drive you crazy. Please proceed as you think best.

-ell

Absolutely true. This has also been touched on in the thread about self loathing and transphobia, there are those who take out their feelings of inadequacy on other perceived "lesser" groups within the "community".

Quote from: maragirlygirr on December 24, 2007, 12:17:02 PM
In my opinion I think it is unique that there are individuals out there that trancend the stereo typical boundaries of the distinct classifications that exist in our current community, and it just goes further to show the true nature of human gender, and should not be forced to "Fit".  ITS AWESOME that we are all different and it should be CELEBRATED!!!!

Yes, there's a million and one unique and beautiful ways to be trans. Let's celebrate our diversity of genders!

y2g

PS, hand held 

Quote from: Butterfly on December 24, 2007, 12:22:53 PM

Quote from: Berliegh on December 16, 2007, 02:20:08 PM
Re: Myths in our community that need to die a quick death

.....how about the our community myth.

Being the devils advocate..I have got to agree with Berliegh >

sod devils advocate... there IS no community... we simply knaw at eachothers throats cosnstantly...
R

Quote from: Rachael on December 24, 2007, 01:26:54 PM
sod devils advocate... there IS no community... we simply knaw at eachothers throats cosnstantly...
R

Which is fairly typical behavior of a family  

y2g

Quote from: Ashley Michelle on December 24, 2007, 01:40:02 PM
you mean..... we're dysfunctional?!?

Us??? Trans people??

y2g

I think they both mean we are hysfunctional and quite naturally feel more at home gnawing the throats of those we are intimate with in some ways. Not so many trust issues as with complete strangers! LOL

Nichole

Quote from: Rachael on December 24, 2007, 01:26:54 PM
we simply [gnaw] at each others throats cosnstantly...
R

gothique says we do it for the drama.

Quote from: Butterfly on December 24, 2007, 12:22:53 PM

Quote from: Berliegh on December 16, 2007, 02:20:08 PM
Re: Myths in our community that need to die a quick death

.....how about the our community myth.

Being the devils advocate..I have got to agree with Berliegh >

The 'our community' myth is not a myth but for those who can not accept that there is a community.

Quote from: Rachael on December 24, 2007, 01:26:54 PM

Quote from: Butterfly on December 24, 2007, 12:22:53 PM

Quote from: Berliegh on December 16, 2007, 02:20:08 PM
Re: Myths in our community that need to die a quick death

.....how about the our community myth.

Being the devils advocate..I have got to agree with Berliegh >

sod devils advocate... there IS no community... we simply knaw at eachothers throats cosnstantly...
R

I don't think anyone on the forum is at each others throats but we can occasionally disagree with someone or also agree on some issue's that are discussed from time to time........and it's quite healthy sometimes to pull subjects out in the open rather than pat each other on the back and say 'you look wonderful darling' just to be politically correct.......

Quotecommunity   (kə-myū'nĭ-tē)


n., pl. -ties.

   1.
         1. A group of people living in the same locality and under the same government.
         2. The district or locality in which such a group lives.

  2.
         1. A group of people having common interests: the scientific community; the international business community.
         2. A group viewed as forming a distinct segment of society: the gay community; the community of color.

   3.
         1. Similarity or identity: a community of interests.
         2. Sharing, participation, and fellowship.

   4. Society as a whole; the public.

  5. Ecology.
         1. A group of plants and animals living and interacting with one another in a specific region under relatively similar environmental conditions.
         2. The region occupied by a group of interacting organisms.

Quote from: Rebis on December 24, 2007, 03:47:13 PM

Quote from: Butterfly on December 24, 2007, 12:22:53 PM

Quote from: Berliegh on December 16, 2007, 02:20:08 PM
Re: Myths in our community that need to die a quick death

.....how about the our community myth.

Being the devils advocate..I have got to agree with Berliegh >

The 'our community' myth is not a myth but for those who can not accept that there is a community.

this community does not fit the site definition of 'community' and as such we shall hear no more duscussion of this matter...
our road, or the highroad!
R

are my socks a myth?  Because sometimes I wish they'd die a quick death.

(I wormed my way out of being punished by Rachael by changing the topic heh heh)

Quote from: Berliegh on December 24, 2007, 03:48:17 PM



I don't think anyone on the forum is at each others throats but we can occasionally disagree with someone or also agree on some issue's that are discussed from time to time........and it's quite healthy sometimes to pull subjects out in the open rather than pat each other on the back and say 'you look wonderful darling' just to be politically correct.......

So, Berleigh,  you want brutal honesty? Is that it?

Nichole