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Proper Hormone Levels For MTF

Started by Azurefrost, December 28, 2015, 09:13:37 PM

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Lyndsey

Quote from: KayXo on January 04, 2016, 12:38:02 PM
Is this free testosterone, bio-available testosterone or total testosterone?

Other than an increase in libido, what other effects (positive and/or negative) have you noticed? How long have you been on the cream? Post-op, the only testosterone that we produce comes from adrenal glands, in other words, very low.

Hi Kay

I have not been on the testosterone  cream long enough to know what effects it has on me all I know is i'm very frisky now and My junk has not grown back. My Boy friend sure like it. Time will tell and I will let everyone know. By the way Dr. Bowers is the one who scribed it for me.
Hug's
Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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KayXo

Quote from: Lyndsey on January 04, 2016, 12:54:56 PM
My levels of testosterone were only .04  now they are 4.0

In what units? pg/ml? and is this free testosterone? please be more specific when stating levels.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Lyndsey

Quote from: KayXo on January 05, 2016, 09:38:49 AM
In what units? pg/ml? and is this free testosterone? please be more specific when stating levels.

pg/ml

Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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KayXo

You didn't say if it was FREE testosterone or not, but judging by the numbers provided in pg/ml, it most probably is.

Ranges for free testosterone are 1.0–8.5 pg/mL for females, 50-210 for males.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=129553

So, you are well in female range while Joan's 17.3 is above female but under male.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Joan

Quote from: KayXo on January 05, 2016, 06:59:06 PM
Joan's 17.3 is above female but under male.

Thanks Kay. I'm seeing the endo on Saturday for my next injection so I'll have a chat wth her and see what she says. She seemed happy with the levels last time but it might be good to ask again.
Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away
Only a phase, these dark cafe days
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KayXo

She seemed happy with levels BUT more importantly, what about how you feel and your feminization? Aren't these what matter at the end of the day, more than levels?
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Laura_7

Quote from: Joan on January 06, 2016, 02:20:53 AM
Thanks Kay. I'm seeing the endo on Saturday for my next injection so I'll have a chat with her and see what she says. She seemed happy with the levels last time but it might be good to ask again.

I would kind of echo what Kay said.

They might be happy but you have to watch out for your own best interest.
That is why imo its important to get educated, have information and be ready to have your points looked after, if necessary by another professional.

Some people are prudent, others not very well versed with transgender people. So having a discussion and getting a feel for it might help.

hugs
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z38

Quote from: KayXo on December 31, 2015, 04:45:22 PMMy levels of estradiol are high while my progesterone levels range from 13-20 ng/dl. I am careful with my diet, so restrict carbs as these tend to significantly raise triglycerides. I was under the normal range once when I restricted all carbs! And my HDL was wayyyyyyy high! Glucose, HbA1C, and insulin are also adversely affected by too many carbs, more so in some than others. I know that, in a few, creatinine is adversely affected by spironolactone.
You are so right about how things improve when you minimize carbs. My skin and especially my hair texture always improve. Any ideas for why this happens?? If only I could keep it up. But I've been pummeled over and over by so much life-changing bad news this year that I can't regain my discipline. I've got to capitalize on the prep for the colonoscopy that I'm undergoing early next month. Meanwhile, I hope some here can provide a more in-depth explanation than my endo did for why my progesterone level tested so high.

This month was the first time that I had asked to have it tested. The testes produce most of the progesterone in cis men. But I'm 10 years post-op and have been on estradiol valerate injections twice monthly long before and ever since. So I was shocked when the blood levels showed it at 13 ng. My endo said that the adrenals are evidently producing enough progesterone to balance my exogenous estrogen levels. "Balance"? Then why did the Lab Corp statement say 'high" 13 ng? Too bad I have no record of any pre-op progesterone level test. Would the level likely be this high?

This month T serum <3 ng. Bound T is <.2. E is 909 ng. B12 level is "high" at 1474 pg. HDL and LDL have long been high at 252 and 137. Iron is 339 bind/serum 339/125 ug. Creatinine serum LOW 0.62 mg; BUN/Creatinine ratio 13.

But regardless of progesterone levels, might I still be at risk for "estrogen dominance"? Even if not, could my progesterone levels put me at risk for other deleterious effects?

My main concerns are scalp hair and libido, in that order. But to take the latter first, as strange it may sound to some here, I wouldn't at all miss libido if it went away.  My main concerns are scalp hair and libido, in that order. But to take the latter first, as strange it may sound to some here, I wouldn't at all miss libido if it went away. I will never forget the very first two years after I began therapy (estradiol valerate, spiro and a little Premarin), long ago. I grew back so much hair that I looked like a different person!! I was truly stunning. And almost as heavenly was the totally unexpected loss of libido. Poof! It just vaporized; or as if some big weight had fallen off my shoulders.

Without 10% minoxidil + 0.1% progesterone and Dutasteride that my derm and endo had prescribed my hair would surely be worse than it is. But why did the hair loss AND libido slowly come back at all? Especially after orchiectomy??

And if the adrenals were trying to "normalize" my estrogen levels then why are they secreting high levels of progesterone, rather than just normal levels? Surely, the 0.1% progesterone in the topical that I press into my scalp twice daily is way too small to even penetrate the skin into the bloodstream, much less effect systemic levels.

Besides, by being a competitive inhibitor of 5-alpha reductase, progesterone is a natural antagonist of hair killing DHT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progesterone_(medication)#Pharmacodynamics

Might it be that I've been using too much E for a typical post-op person, and/or because the vials of estradiol valerate are almost certainly synthetic rather than bioidentical?

I can get natural estradiol valerate made by a local compounding pharmacy. But what signs should a post-op person look for to determine the right estrogen dosing?

Bottom line: How likely is my high progesterone contributing to libido and hair loss years after surgery? If yes, would it likely decrease if my endo lowers the dose of the 40mg/mL estradiol valerate I take every 14 days?



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