Sorry false information.

With the greatest respect I have seen Dr Bellinga's soft tissue work on older FT FFS patients and he is very skilled.

http://facialteam.eu/facial-feminization-surgery/dr-raul-jimenez-bellinga/

http://rinoestetica.com/

Quote from: Lagertha on January 08, 2016, 01:25:16 PM
Few years ago Facial team worked with a plastic surgeon dr. Kaye (from Oceanclinic, Marbella), for cases where patients needed soft tissue work, he jumped in and do soft tissue work for them. Aparently he doesn't anymore, and since then they basically don't do any soft tissue work, apart from minor things as lip-lift, brow-lift... None of their 4 surgeons is specialized in plastic, reconstructive & aesthetic surgery. They would greatly benefit from having one skilled plastic surgeon on their team full-time.

Quote from: Lagertha on January 08, 2016, 03:43:57 PM
Eyelid surgery (upper and lower blepharoplasty), lower/mid facelifts, cheek lift, malar&submalar cheek implants, neck lift and neck liposuction, lipotransfers and dermal fillers (like collagen, hyaluronic acid, etc...), laser skin resurfacing, chemical peels, dermabrasion, and other rejuvenation procedures, buccal fat removal and lower face liposuction, jaw muscle reduction, chin augmentation with implants or fillers, soft tissue asymmetry corrections, etc... Many of those things might not be relevant for a 20 year old FFS patient... but it might be very important to someone at 40 or more.

Yes, but they don't perform soft tissue work with their bone work, correct? That has been stated numerous times here. A 20 something year old patient might not need a full neck lift, but there are many procedures that can be combined with bone reshaping that can enhance a 20 something year old's results, myself included. Bonework only would have left me with saggy cheeks and loose neckline.

Hiya,

Are you sure about that?

I know that surgeons such as retired Dr Ousterhout always performed face lifts after FFS as he said that carrying out soft tissue work at the same time as bony work was not a good idea as it took time for the face to recover. I can understand that.

I know of one Dr Van der Dussen patient ( another friend of mine ) who had to have her soft tissue work done after the FFS (bony) work with him and went to Dr Zukowski. She looked far better after her trip to Chicago as Dr Z's soft tissue work is usually very good.

Quote from: BellaSwan on January 08, 2016, 05:34:28 PM
Yes, but they don't perform soft tissue work with their bone work. That has been stated numerous times here. A 20 something year old patient might not need a full neck lift, but there are many procedures that can be combined with bone reshaping that can enhance a 20 something year old's results, myself included. Bonework only would have left me with saggy cheeks and loose neckline.

Quote from: Paula1 on January 08, 2016, 05:12:41 PM
Sorry false information.

With the greatest respect I have seen Dr Bellinga's soft tissue work on older FT FFS patients and he is very skilled.

http://facialteam.eu/facial-feminization-surgery/dr-raul-jimenez-bellinga/

http://rinoestetica.com/

I dont make unchecked claims. Dr. Bellinga is not trained plastic surgeon. He never went through recognized Plastic, Reconstructive & Aesthetic surgery program. Such titles as "Specialist in Aesthetic and Cosmetic Medicine" unfortunately can mean too many things.

Quote from: Paula1 on January 08, 2016, 05:12:41 PM
I have seen Dr Bellinga's soft tissue work on older FT FFS patients and he is very skilled.

I cannot make any claims about result you have seen in person, but if you look at results in before/after gallery, that's the the most obvious weakness you notice, especially in comparison to, even if sometimes conservative, very competent bone work.

I will refer this to the forum administrator Cindy to see what she thinks, OK.

But I don't trust what you say and it looks like you have it in for Facial Team ...

Please do, she is professionally competent more than all of us together to check dr. Bellingas credentials and inform us whether he can be proclaimed as real Plastic, aesthetic & reconstructive surgeon or not.

Fine already done.

As I have only been a member on here for a relatively short time, have you had FFS and by whom or are you still researching?

You don't need to answer these questions, of course.

Quote from: Paula1 on January 08, 2016, 06:43:09 PM

But I don't trust what you say and it looks like you have it in for Facial Team ...

I actually think they are great FFS option for someone in their 20s, early 30s who only needs bone work! 


I can answer questions about the surgeon I had my FFS with privately on PM. And yes I have been still researching FFS subject, and I have been researching it daily since 2007.

Well nobody will destabilise me prior to my surgery with FT in April.

I have every confidence in them.

PM sent and in total confidence.

Quote from: Lagertha on January 08, 2016, 06:55:27 PM
I actually think they are great FFS option for someone in their 20s, early 30s who only needs bone work! 


I can answer questions about the surgeon I had my FFS with privately on PM. And yes I have been still researching FFS subject, and I have been researching it daily since 2007.

Anyway I am off to bed as it's late here in the UK.

Nite all

Quote from: Lagertha on January 08, 2016, 06:36:09 PM
Such titles as "Specialist in Aesthetic and Cosmetic Medicine" unfortunately can mean too many things.

Nope. Aesthetic and Cosmetic Medicine is actually a speciality (post-graduate master degree) focused mainly on skin rejuvenating and cosmetic procedures like dermal fillers, botox, mesotherapy, peelings, laser treatments, etc. Its a well-stablished program within spanish universities and medical schools.

Quote from: LagerthaI dont make unchecked claims. Dr. Bellinga is not trained plastic surgeon. He never went through recognized Plastic, Reconstructive & Aesthetic surgery program.

Nope again. He is trained facial plastic surgeon. This guy got a fellowship on facial plastic surgery (which is recognized training) by EAFPS and is a fellow member of this association. In fact EAFPS works together in programs with the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery, and they have an equal certification exam

By the way this guy nose jobs look awesome. The couple blephs he shows also look nice:

http://www.multiestetica.com/rinoestetica-dr-jimenez-bellinga-vestetica-152806.html

Thank you for your reply Wednesday.

I have 101% confidence in Facial Team's surgeons .... 

Anything is better than my present pig nose ... who I have been apologising to ever since 2004.

I have just found this foto of me that was taken in Jan 2009 aged 63 and 6 months (almost 5 years after FFS) and before any of the failed reburring attempts on my forehead in 2010,2012,2013 and the open surgery in 2014. Beginning to age with all the worry ...   

You can see the bony deformities in the forehead, overburred orbital rims, piggy nose, fat lips, high eyebrows and vertical ridge below the right alars.



Also found this one taken in November 2007 aged 62 and 4 months before all the stress got to me which has aged me considerably.

Look pretty good here thanks to the softer focus ...

Quote from: Paula1 on January 10, 2016, 05:57:58 AM
Thank you for your reply Wednesday.

I have 101% confidence in Facial Team's surgeons .... 

Anything is better than my present pig nose ... who I have been apologising to ever since 2004.

Can I ask why you had so many revisions done and by whom?

Hi Janice,

Thanks for your reply ... 

Are you ready for a marathon read ... 

Here's the whole story:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,180029.0.html

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,199847.0.html

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,200643.0.html


and associated threads

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,199848.0.html

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,201389.0.html

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,201567.0.html

Hugs

Paula

Quote from: JaniceNL on January 10, 2016, 10:27:42 AM
Can I ask why you had so many revisions done and by whom?

I'll have a look, if I have any other questions I will send them through a pm, I don't want to cloud this thread.

Hi Janice,

I had the original FFS in 2004, three revisions by the same surgeon and the last one by Simon Eccles.

Who is she? Sorry for my ignorance.

I see that you have removed the girl's name now !!!

Can you kindly go very lightly with pm's because I am going away for a while and computer access will be limited. I was going last week but have been delayed. 

Ta

Paula 

It's funny how your memory fades when posting but in fact I have had four revisions by the original surgeon post FFS.

I have already mentioned the last three but the first one was on Monday November 27th 2006 when bone paste was inserted via one of the old direct brow lift incisions to fill in the dip/hole in the centre of my forehead. This material dropped out on to the OR floor when Mr Eccles opened my forehead up in October 2014.

I have just found these fotos taken the day after the revision which jogged my memory.

You can really see the raised vertical ridge below my right alars.

Anyway time to continue this conversation on my FT thread here:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,199847.0.html

because this thread has been hijacked enough already, sorry moderators.