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Transitioning Privileges Gain & Lost? M2F & F2M

Started by thegator, January 07, 2016, 10:01:50 PM

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thegator

FOR BOTH M2F & F2M ( Transitioning Privileges Gain & Lost? )

After you get a GENDER MARKER CHANGE... what privileges do you GAIN & LOSE?

With or With Out Surgery might not matter since its all about your MARKER on ALL DOCUMENTS?


1. will you get less jail time for a crime or... do they see if not the same?
i know might need to contact a lawyer for that one...

2. Will Males and other females see you less.... privileged and treat you with less respect...

3. Will Jobs pay you less?.... like most do to females.... or that wont count....

4. Will you get less of a promotion....

*5. OTHER THINGS YOU CAN ADD to help any one with a question


You see where i am going with this....

What privileges.... dose one lose & gain.... ugh scary to think...

*i know i ask the strange-ist questions but like... i got to know what others think about this kinda topic and has anyone though it before & what experiences have you noticed
[Nothing herein is meant to be construed as legal advice]
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diane 2606

Nice questions.


  • Auto mechanics started treating me like I was stupid.
  • It was my idea. I designed it and did all the work, but the guy on the committee who just sat there got all the credit.
  • Mike (his real name) and I got hired the same day to do the same job. I can't prove he got paid more than I did, but how could he not? He has a penis. Oh, and I worked my butt off (I have the evaluations to prove it) and he was lazy.

I've only known a few FtMs. One received a much deserved promotion when he transitioned.
"Old age ain't no place for sissies." — Bette Davis
Social expectations are not the boss of me.
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Valwen

It's not really the gender marker that changes thing but people's perception of you. Not long after I transitioned Ahab people began to See me as female things changed. Not everything most people still remember me from before so a lot of situations are still not effected but some things did shift. On the one hand people more often assume that I don't know what I am doing or that someone else is in charge. On the other hand I was shocked and elated the first time I realized that I was part of the in crowd when the women I was working with treated me like one of the girls.

Last night I was at one of the places I work and the owner a friend of mine was rearranging some of the shelving and several times he asked people to help him move things, either by name or something like "get will you two guys help me move this" I chipped in once it twice but he never actually asked me to help move things.

Serena
What is a Lie when it's at home? Anyone?
Is it the depressed little voice inside? Whispering in my ear? Telling me to give up?
Well I'm not giving up. Not for that part of me that hates myself. That part wants me to wither and die. not for you. Never for you.  --Loki: Agent of Asgard

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First Time Out As Myself June 8th 2015
Full Time June 24th 2015
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FTMax

1) It's the same. Honestly, it would probably be worse depending on where you are. I would expect that if you were involved in something criminal, the fact that you are transgender would be brought up in court whether it is relevant or not. Then you're at the mercy of the judge or jury more so than usual, because they're going to have to overcome any existing biases they have. Your gender wouldn't matter.

2) I haven't noticed a shift. People I know are all about the same, and strangers I have no baseline to judge.

3) No. I make the same amount of money now as I did pre-everything. I just have less of it because transition is expensive :)

4) No. I was promoted around the same time I came out.

5) Like Serena said, this really isn't about the gender marker. People you interact with on a regular basis aren't going to know that your documents say male or female on them. They're just going to have their perception of you to base it on.   
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lisarenee

I get more doors held for me and offers to help when I have to lift/carry stuff. Otherwise, I haven't noticed much difference. I'm looking for a new job and the rates I have been quoted were in line with what I and others were making before I transitioned.

When I first started working in my field, I and a few others got screwed big time, because we took what we were offered instead of negotiating. Once we found out that others less qualified were making more than us, we demanded and received a raise. That was as a man. Employers will take advantage of you if they think they can get away with it, regardless of what is between your legs.
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Sydney_NYC

I've been full time for 22 months and pass really well and here is what I've noticed:

1. will you get less jail time for a crime or... do they see if not the same?
i know might need to contact a lawyer for that one...

I've stay out of trouble with the law, but I can say my interaction with law enforcement like dealing with traffic detours and asking questions is totally different. As a male, they would be rude and say road is closed, move on or I'll give you a ticket. As a woman, they have always been polite to me and try to be helpful.

2. Will Males and other females see you less.... privileged and treat you with less respect...
Other women don't see me any more of less than before, perhaps less threatening. Men on the other hand tend to mansplain and ignore you more when you talk tech. An example: for a client getting a new FiOS internet line and the installer came in and totally ignored me when I introduced myself as the technical person. He asked for the manager and asked him technical questions and he had no idea and told him: "You need to talk to her, she's the technical person here!" pointing at me. Then all of a sudden he realized that knew what I was talking about and then he started to listen to me.

3. Will Jobs pay you less?.... like most do to females.... or that wont count....
I'm self employed as a software/IT consultant and as far as dealing with clients, nothing has changed on rates.

4. Will you get less of a promotion....
Self Employed, so no issue myself.

*5. OTHER THINGS YOU CAN ADD to help any one with a question
Interaction with retail workers when shopping is a lot more pleasant as a woman. People hold doors open for me and more likely to hold the elevator for me in those situation. However, I've experience a lot of sexual harassment as a woman that I never experienced as a man from cat calling to someone stating that wanted to "put a baby in me". I've been hit on a few times by very polite gentlemen which was sort of validation even though I'm a lesbian, but most of the time when I've been hit on they say something so off the wall and I'm like: "Really, has that line ever worked for you before?" Overall though I wouldn't trade being a woman for any or all of those things. I'm so much happier and things just feel right. But it is a sexist world and even though it's better than before, it's got a long ways to go.
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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iKate

I am treated like a woman in all respects now:

People are generally kinder to me. Today a quarter fell from my purse at the checkout line and the guy behind me immediately picked it up. Never happened as a guy.

I am talked over all the time in conf calls and meetings.

I'm not taken as seriously as men. My same ideas rejected are taken as gospel when a man presents it.

One of my team members is basically doing his best not to take directions from me even though I'm his superior.

I'm hit on in real life and social media. I get a lot of guys who I wouldn't even give the time of day too. I have now restricted my social media.

I find that I'm judged more by my appearance now. I can't come to work messy anymore. Nope.

So yes people's attitudes do change but it has 100% to do with how you're perceived.
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Peep

I can get a bus for less money because when presenting as male I look younger? lol
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Serenation

I find people are always nicer as a pro, and people always assuming my brain and motors kills do not work well as a con.
I will touch a 100 flowers and not pick one.
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2fish

I'm an FTM

As soon as I changed my gender marker with my car insurance company my premium went down $200.

So as a male I now pay less car insurance.

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2fish

I also get asked for directions a lot more. And I get offered double the money for jobs.

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kittenpower

Quote from: 2fish on January 22, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
I'm an FTM

As soon as I changed my gender marker with my car insurance company my premium went down $200.

So as a male I now pay less car insurance.

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When I changed my gender marker, my auto insurance company raised my premium, and that is B.S.
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Valwen

I looked into this and in the US, Drivers under a certain age. I think 25 and over a certain age I think its like 55 are all treated as equal nation wide. But if your inbetween those extreams the insurance companies judge things based on the average record of people in your gender/age bracket. Which means if your insurance rates go down then people of your former legal gender where considered more risky drivers and those of your new legal gender are considered safer. The opposite if it goes up. Some people may notice there insurnance did not change, and that is because some states, massachusetts for example dont divide them up by gender, though most states do.

Serena
What is a Lie when it's at home? Anyone?
Is it the depressed little voice inside? Whispering in my ear? Telling me to give up?
Well I'm not giving up. Not for that part of me that hates myself. That part wants me to wither and die. not for you. Never for you.  --Loki: Agent of Asgard

Started HRT Febuary 21st 2015
First Time Out As Myself June 8th 2015
Full Time June 24th 2015
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Emily.P

Was not that a common conception that women are safer drivers then men (and thus less likely to get into accidents and should pay less insurance)?

Anyway, back to the point :). I also agree with posters above that in some situations this is more about how people perceive You instead of your marker.

1.Jail time - I dunno, I try to stay away from trouble. But this summer I had very curious legal case to work on and it involved doing research on criminology and penology patterns on a gender based perspective, and there are a lot of differences between both genders (unsurprising). Besides, there is common agreement that male and female inmate populations are like two different worlds and thus should not be treated similarly (similar treatment in that area usually leads to more severe and restrictive prison regime for women - which is entirely unnecessary (especially since historicaly women prisons were simply based on the model of male prisons without giving an extra thought). Risks are different from male inmale population, inmate-inmate, inmate-staff interactions are different, everything is different).

2. Salesmen tend to flirt with me now, and sometimes I get a lot of "patronising" lectures on topics I am quite  savvy myself. Which can be annoying, but I have learned to cut that down. I dont mind pretending stupid what concerns fixing bikes and househould appliances/electricity/water. First time in my life I was offered a minor fix for free (something just unscrewed itself and the repair guy fixed it in 15 secs with a smile) - but I insisted on paying at least a minor sum and ended up with buying there something that I needed. So, I go to that repair shop now whenever I need it, and they fix it withing 10-15 minutes if they can - I used to go there before (they did not recognise me anymore) and it used to be the way that I left the bike with them and waited for their call after X hours.
Security/law-enforcement guys are much more friendly - I can get all sorts of directions, advices, suggestions - especially with traffic police (and if I have my daughter strapped into bike child seat then they are extremely polite).
If I am with my child, men treat me like we are sort of sacred ones - I can get a seat in full public transport (not from the older grumpy ladies... they pretend like we are not there), and they try to get out of our way when we are walking :). Yet, when I am alone, sometimes I get pushed around in public transport more than it used to be (by guys mostly).
When travelling/carrying big stuff, I can count on guys helping me out (not that I always need it, but sometimes I do appreciate it very much - hurling 20 kg of luggage to the upper shelf - and getting it down afterwards - is now a serious issue).
Women are more friendly and inclusive. I have never had older ladies chatting me up in grocery stores and ending with giving me culinary advices, lol :). In public transport women would choose a seat next to me instead of a guy - and I usually do the same. I try not to take a seat next to guy - especially if he is sitting in the aisle - after I made the mistake of taking empty seat at the window and then got blocked by a drunken dude who wanted communication.
I have experiences several cases of gender (not trans) based harrasment, but there were just a few - still it was annoying and not very welcomed experience. I cannot really see it as some sort of validation because I honestly hated every second of it. Especially catcalling - you have to pretend they are not there, because if you react (even negatively) then they win.

3. No, I work in the government job and we all are getting paid basing on our qualification classes and work experience.

4. No, because it is government job and we apply different criteria. In fact, I am seriously hoping that I will not get a promotion anytime soon, cause that could lead to extra exposure.
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Amy1988

Oh I'm definitely treated better.  Even at work.  I don't work as hard as the men in my group.  I get doors held open for me. My boss takes me to lunch sometimes and isn't embarrassed to be seen with me. I'm treated like any other female which really surprised me because everyone at work knows I'm transgendered.  Im treated the same way everywhere else I go in life. I know why. It's obvious and I'm really really lucky.  It's a known fact that passable transgender people are treated better and if you are passable, petite and pretty it's even better at least in my experience so far.  I've been told that I have an angelic face and that probably has something to do with it.
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Briezy

Quote from: thegator on January 07, 2016, 10:01:50 PM
FOR BOTH M2F & F2M ( Transitioning Privileges Gain & Lost? )

1. will you get less jail time for a crime or... do they see if not the same?
i know might need to contact a lawyer for that one...

I love this topic because male privilege is very real, but I'm sure there are perks that MTF gain and FTM lose, but the first question cracked me up. The question itself is serious and reasonable, but the fact that you said you may have to consult a lawyer for the answer makes it sound like you have some elaborate crime already planned and you are wondering what gender might get you the least jail time...lol.

Sorry...seriously, someone take the coffee away from me.
-Brie Katherine  :-*

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