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Got called "sir" today while looking like this. Are we all doomed?

Started by Ms Grace, January 30, 2016, 11:35:39 PM

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DiamondBladee

Quote from: Cindy on January 30, 2016, 11:47:37 PM
Sounds like a serious case of eye disease.

I have that but I can tell too..!

And hearing loss, ouch for me.  But hey.  Low frequency hearing loss.  I guess I didn't have to listen to my awkward low 13 y.o. voice so much, I probably would've hated it more than anything (phew)
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V M

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Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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saraht123

At a point in my life when I was more or less in denial about being trans, one of my first jobs was in a call center. We were told to address people as 'Sir' or 'Madam' during training. After a while, I noticed a pattern. The male callers generally responded well to being called Sir. They liked it. However, female callers didn't respond particularly well to being called Madam. In general, they didn't seem to like it that much. I wondered whether terms Sir and Madam, which I personally think are quite old fashioned/arcane, conferred a perhaps more advanced age on the caller and the women didn't seem to like that much??? Or maybe the men seemed to like Sir because it conferred authority??? I'm stereotyping, but this was based on observation across thousands of calls I answered.

So after noticing this, I continued calling male callers 'Sir' but I found other ways to talk to the female callers, which they seemed to like better. Unfortunately, once you're using 'Sir' more or less exclusively, it gets easier to make the occasional mistake of calling women 'Sir' out of habit, particularly when you've been taking not stop calls for hours and your brain is going into melt-down. This was often sub-conscious and even happened when the caller obviously sounded stereotypically female. Time for very humble apologies, although it was possible to accidentally do this without even realising and occasionally I'd get called out.

The other thing that happened is I realised that a surprising number of people don't have voices that fit their gender stereotype. So it is possible to accidentally misgender someone, because their voice isn't in the typical range. Thats kind of a separate issue to what I detailed above. Anyway, despite what I'd been told to do, I more or less stopped using Sir or Madam unless it was absolutely 100% obvious who the caller was (eg they told me 'Hello I'm Mr Smith, and I wonder if you can help me with......').

I remember my first call from a trans person, a few weeks after I started. I mistakenly called her Sir. She rightly called me out and explained and I apologised. Later she complained to my supervisor, though I didn't face any disciplinary action because it was pretty much an unavoidable mistake on my part and besides, I'd been told by the company to address people as Sir or Madam.

Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is, it was not uncommon to for me to misgender people (and I'm trans) even when they were clearly sounded like their assigned or preferred gender. I did misgender a number of people, both trans and cis, but every single one was an accident and never deliberate or malicious in any way. That's not to say that some people don't deliberately misgender people (and that needs to change).

There was some discussion in training about the best ways to address people:

From what I can remember Sir and Madam were considered the safest. They said don't use ma'am as it is american and we were in the UK.
Alternatives included:
-Mr Smith/ Mrs Smith (still gendered and you needed to know the person's name which often you didn't learn until later in the call)
-First names (personally, I don't much like it when call center staff do this to me, it can sound really patronising and over-familiar)
- Love, Pet, Honey etc - Can get you in trouble, but some people can get away with using these to address others (Sadly, I'm not one of those people!)

Basically, I evolved my own system in which I just found ways to talk with people in a friendly, polite way without needing to use titles or names much.

They didn't cover much in the way of trans issues or anything gender-neutral, but this was 15 years ago.

Just thought I'd chip in as I've been on both sides of misgenderings quite a lot. And sincere apologies to all the people I misgendered over the years.
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Jacqueline

1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Jacqueline

Quote from: Ms Grace on February 01, 2016, 02:01:29 AM
Thanks for your thoughts, feedback, support and kind words everyone! ;D

Feeling better now, like I said, just needed to vent.

Ms Grace,

Totally cool rant.

Humans. So predictable in their randomness and maybe tiredness.

Great to hearing your are feeling better.

You do look great.

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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KayXo

I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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JenJen2011

I work in a call center and I've done it before by mistake. I'm so use to calling people either sir or ma'am and sometimes it just slips and I end up apologizing. I'm sure that is what happened in this case. You look great!
"You have one life to live so live it right"
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KayXo

Been called Sir twice, I think by call center agents and my voice sounds unequivocally female. Habit! They don't even realize it. You can tell it's habit because they sound so robotic, so repetitive. It's actually quite sad, if you ask me.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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traci_k

????? I can't imagine. You're new avatar and photo are stunningly gorgeous and totally feminine. I see no male whatsoever. Never, Never, Never.

lust nickname her "Tommy" - deaf, dumb and blind.
Traci Melissa Knight
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KathyLauren

Quote from: saraht123 on February 03, 2016, 08:37:03 AM
- Love, Pet, Honey etc - Can get you in trouble, but some people can get away with using these to address others (Sadly, I'm not one of those people!)
Here in Nova Scotia, everyone is a gender-neutral "dear".  It is considered to be an endearing part of the local culture.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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