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Started by Reyes, June 12, 2016, 02:57:45 AM

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Reyes

Yeah, I just really need somewhere to talk about all this, and I didn't want to create a long winded post of everything, rather talk it in this thread, it's really the only thing that helps me so much.
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Please do post.   Say whatever you need to say.  It really helps.  Goddess knows, I've done enough of it.

The folks here are friendly, experienced, and across the membership there is an awful lot of knowledge.  They've been a tremendous help to me and others who are a bit new to all of this.
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HappyMoni

Hi Reyes,
I've been here a while now. So far found no one who bites. You sound like you would really like to get it off your chest. I hope you decide to.
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Reyes

Thanks everyone who welcomed me. :3

So, to start off, I'm still in the closet, like very very deep, honestly I don't think I'll ever be able to come out.

I only realized I was mtf eight months ago. Before that I actually never even considered that, it ended up being a betrayal by a friend online and something their boyfriend said that I kinda interpreted wrong, but anyway, it didn't end happily, and over the rest of the day I realized maybe the reason it effected me so drastically was, well y'know.

But I've really never been happy, not really, but now I know why, but while I'm fine alone and online, mostly, at this current time I have absolutely no interest in being around anyone in my family because I just get so nervous and uncomfortable.
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AnxietyDisord3r

Reyes, I am nodding my head reading your story because it sounds so familiar to me and my life. I'm glad you came here.  :)
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Reyes

Thank you.

Let me ask, something that makes this even harder for me is at random times I all of a sudden am certain I'm not transgender, well, no, it's more that I'm certain I was wrong, but even then I still think about it, but I don't think I am or something. It always goes away, no matter how long, usually not to long but it happens, is this normal?

I can find so little info beyond the, "I knew since I was a kid and was always girly" stuff.
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Cindy

Hi Hon,
Your feelings are quite common.
Feelings come and go and sometimes we even think we have conquered it all.
And then there is tomorrow, which may be next month, next six month, next year. It doesn't go a away.

So.
What do we do?,

First, the big leap. See a therapist. Oh no never, I'm not, I'm never, I'm not, ok It will go away.
So how do we deal with it?
First, no fear.
Then enjoy.

No matter the journey being happy beats anything.
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AnxietyDisord3r

The people who "always knew" are a minority. Free yourself of that expectation.

Most of us experience gender in a place far removed from language and logic. It's an underlying feeling that sometimes bursts into awareness.
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Asche

Quote from: AnxietyDisord3r on June 13, 2016, 07:28:41 AM
Most of us experience gender in a place far removed from language and logic. It's an underlying feeling that sometimes bursts into awareness.

And a lot of the time, it isn't obvious that it has anything to do with gender.

What's more, sometimes it isn't even obvious that it's hurting, at least if you're like me and have learned to just not be aware of the pain.  It only becomes obvious when something happens to make it hurt less (or even stop hurting entirely!)

It never occurred to me that I was trans until I read Zinnia Jones' post That was dysphoria?

Even now, the only evidence I have is that I consistently feel better (or at least more alive) the more I live as a trans woman.  Each step has unlocked parts of myself and made me feel more whole.  (Not necessarily happier, though.  Sometimes what I get in touch with is very painful.  Like right now, for instance.)
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Reyes

I do have a therapist yeah, just started seeing her, but even knowing she can't tell anyone any of what we discuss I'm still just to crippled by fear to even tell her, cause I know that may eventually lead to me coming out, and it's not the coming out per se that's the problem for me, it's the very thought of after, everything after while around my family. And I hate that because I want to so badly, but it's like a mind gripping fear that just hits me hard whenever I even think about them knowing.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Reyes on June 13, 2016, 08:48:54 PM
I'm still just to crippled by fear to even tell her, cause I know that may eventually lead to me coming out, and it's not the coming out per se that's the problem for me, it's the very thought of after, everything after while around my family.

It's so easy for your imagination to run wild and picture your family ashamed of you or rejecting you, etc.

I don't know your family, so I can't say what's going to happen.

But many people's families surprise them by understanding, or coming around after initially being resistant. If they love you, they will want you to be genuinely who you are. No one wants a loved one to destroy their soul slowly by pretending to be someone else.

Please keep posting. You'll find so many people here who who've been through something similar and who've come through wonderfully.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Reyes on June 13, 2016, 08:48:54 PM
I do have a therapist yeah, just started seeing her, but even knowing she can't tell anyone any of what we discuss I'm still just to crippled by fear to even tell her, cause I know that may eventually lead to me coming out, and it's not the coming out per se that's the problem for me, it's the very thought of after, everything after while around my family. And I hate that because I want to so badly, but it's like a mind gripping fear that just hits me hard whenever I even think about them knowing.
I totally get the fear.  I really do, because I live it too. 

But, please, trust your therapist and tell her.  She can help you work through the fear and come up with solutions that will work for you.  She can't help you if she doesn't know.
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Reyes

Quote from: suzifrommd on June 14, 2016, 06:39:56 AM
It's so easy for your imagination to run wild and picture your family ashamed of you or rejecting you, etc.

I don't know your family, so I can't say what's going to happen.

But many people's families surprise them by understanding, or coming around after initially being resistant. If they love you, they will want you to be genuinely who you are. No one wants a loved one to destroy their soul slowly by pretending to be someone else.

Please keep posting. You'll find so many people here who who've been through something similar and who've come through wonderfully.
It's not really fear of them rejecting me or any of that, at least I don't think it is. It's just like, a feeling of, I dunno, but like whenever I think of just going through all of it around them, and them knowing, even if they're perfectly accepting and everything, just every time I think of it I get like, like it's kinda hard to breathe for a moment and my heart is racing. I guess like a mini panic attack.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Reyes on June 14, 2016, 06:30:34 PM
It's not really fear of them rejecting me or any of that, at least I don't think it is. It's just like, a feeling of, I dunno, but like whenever I think of just going through all of it around them, and them knowing, even if they're perfectly accepting and everything, just every time I think of it I get like, like it's kinda hard to breathe for a moment and my heart is racing. I guess like a mini panic attack.

Is it possible you have some shame about transitioning?

I sure did. "What would they think of me?" I sort of had the sense they'd see me as someone who couldn't curb my urges or something. It wasn't until I actually started the process and realized what a challenge it was that I started becoming proud of myself for coming through the other end.
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Reyes

Quote from: suzifrommd on June 14, 2016, 06:58:54 PM
Is it possible you have some shame about transitioning?

I sure did. "What would they think of me?" I sort of had the sense they'd see me as someone who couldn't curb my urges or something. It wasn't until I actually started the process and realized what a challenge it was that I started becoming proud of myself for coming through the other end.
Shame? I.. actually don't know. Never really considered that.

I mean I know I want to transition, and it's like, if they weren't around and I never saw my family I wouldn't care about anyone else and just do it.

As for "what would they think of me?" Maybe? It's not really so much thoughts as just this panicy feeling every time I think of it that is just impossible to get past and I just start thinking "I can't." over and over.
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sigsi

Quote from: Reyes on June 14, 2016, 07:47:52 PM
It's not really fear of them rejecting me or any of that, at least I don't think it is. It's just like, a feeling of, I dunno, but like whenever I think of just going through all of it around them, and them knowing, even if they're perfectly accepting and everything, just every time I think of it I get like, like it's kinda hard to breathe for a moment and my heart is racing. I guess like a mini panic attack.
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Shame? I.. actually don't know. Never really considered that.

I mean I know I want to transition, and it's like, if they weren't around and I never saw my family I wouldn't care about anyone else and just do it.

As for "what would they think of me?" Maybe? It's not really so much thoughts as just this panicy feeling every time I think of it that is just impossible to get past and I just start thinking "I can't." over and over.

If it makes a difference, I get panic attacks over the thought of dealing with this while still living with my family as well. If they weren't around, I would probably be able to progress in transition without freaking out as much. I'm quite fearful of their rejection though, so my situation is different in that aspect. But I'm also fearful of opening up to them about this topic, like it is something personal that I want to handle on my own. I do not trust people well (including my family), I don't like to ask for other's help and I have trouble expressing my emotions. So I think I am almost more fearful of feeling exposed and vulnerable in that situation...like telling my family something deeply personal. Maybe it has something to do with my own pride of self, and wanting to be able to deal with stuff like it is no problem. It's all confusing, but I understand the feeling of "I just can't" with a lot of things in my life (I have extreme anxiety stuff though :P ).

Somehow, I hoped this help. Either way good luck, and keep thinking that eventually things will work out. You mentioned earlier that you are seeing a therapist, which is quite good as that is probably best at the moment. I'm a hypocrite for saying it, but trusting the therapist could be helpful as they are there to help you sort through or deal with your thoughts. And keep writing on here, it helps too. :)
To be who you want to be 
and generally happy,
 is better than to be who you're not 
while living in mental pain.
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Reyes

It's not so much that I'm fearful of their response, it's, well a bit of a story.

Okay, so like I said, I first considered I might be transgender in November of last year, and by January I was pretty certain I was, and I wanted to come out, but it was so hard for me to even try and get the words out, but I kept feeling the want to do so.

So, one day that month, I honestly don't know how I did it, but me and my father were in the kitchen together, he was making dinner, and, I told him. I didn't exactly do the greatest job, it wasn't exactly the typical conversation and it only lasted like five minutes.

But I went to tell him, and I couldn't just say it, so I asked if he remembered that movie my Grandmother loved from last year, the Danish Girl, and he didn't at first, but I reminded him, and then I said how I felt I was transgender, and well he was confused, he literally said so, and I'm saying about how it means I'm really a woman, and well not much else was said after a bit more of that, which I was perfectly fine with, I was like having a major panic attack over the fact that I actually told him.

The only other thing said that night was he said how he knows I like girls, and I told him I still do. Then that was it. And like I said still being in the residual effects of the panic attack I was just fine with waiting a bit to talk more. So I figured he'd bring it up again in like a day or so, maybe even the next morning, I was just to nervous to bring it back up myself.

But in the end, a month went by, and I finally just went and asked him if he remembered what I told him that day in the kitchen. And he had no idea what I was talking about.

Now, I have always had pretty much complete ->-bleeped-<- self esteem, and this just basically destroyed the last shred I had left. I mean what kind of father forgets their kid telling them something like that? No matter how ->-bleeped-<- a job I did in doing so.

But my mouth seemed to be going on autopilot trying to remind him and in the end he's like, oh yeah, and he remembered, but because I'm an idiot, I went, Yeah I was wrong about that, my depression made me feel things that weren't real.

And I don't really recall what he said then, it was either, okay, or of course, or right, I really don't know, it was some one or two word response.

Before that happened I was while scared of coming out, I was actually looking forward to after, even with my family around. I mean not completely looking forward with them around, but I actually was at some level. Ever since that day though, the very thought of them knowing, of being around while I went through it absolutely petrifies me.

Hell, even the idea of writing a note, or like if I was drunk, which would never happen, hate alcohol, but if I was and told them like that, or any other number of thing, it all fills me with the same fear. Hell, the only way it wouldn't is if some random person told them without me having any idea they were going to, lol...

But yeah.
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