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FFS with Deschamps-Braly in SF for November 3, 2016

Started by Debra, June 22, 2016, 08:44:22 AM

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Debra

Ok I did it. I went and saw Dr. Deschamps-Braly with my husband and had a really good consult.

It was kind of weird at first. We walked in and he kind of started talking very nonchalantly / casually and it kind of caught us off guard.....but after a bit it kinda grew on both my husband and I. The Doctor basically feels very confident in what he does.

He asked me what I did for a living and at some point actually asked when I first had transgender feelings (not in those words) and I told him 4th grade. Later, my husband and I commented on the fact that he asked that....kinda odd but at the same time, while FFS doesn't require the same things that SRS does, changing your face is still a very drastic thing to do....so if he ever got a patient who was ever 'unsure' about things, he would be less inclined to do surgery on them for fear of them changing their mind later.

I guess I was mostly surprised he asked me because my paperwork lists all the surgeries I've had already and dates.....and so with 6 years behind me, I haven't been asked something like that in a while....then again with both breast augmentation and hair transplants, I never did 'come out' or tell the surgeon directly that I was trans (even tho I listed previous surgeries and medications).

He showed us a huge presentation about skull differences between female and male and the different types of fixes for changing them, etc. He talked about his mentor/partner a lot as well, Dr. O: He did his first FFS in like 1982 or so.

Anyway, he showed us a ton of before and after results for both his partner and his own patients and we discussed what I was looking for. I mentioned my forehead and nose as primary things but also that i had a 'weak' chin as a secondary thing. He agreed with me on all of those things. He mentioned lip length from nose to lip and he guessed what mine was and what Tom's was and he later measured and had guessed pretty accurately. My VFFS consult had already cautioned against any lip lift because I already do show a lot of teeth with mouth slightly ajar so lifting the lip further could potentially give me a more 'gummy' smile. Without telling the doctor this, he basically said the same thing.

We talked about noses and he said the best thing was to bring in pictures of what noses I liked and that gave him a good idea of what I wanted. Again his confidence in being able to do just about anything for noses felt like a good thing.

He did talk about more chin and jaw stuff and I mentioned that I could most likely not afford it this round and I was afraid of doing too much all at once as well. So they prepared 2 separate quotes for me, one with forehead and nose and one that included chin as well. As I had guessed, the chin addition was going to be too much for me to afford to be able to do it this year....while the forehead and nose alone was right on par with what i can afford by November. That plus the cost of hotel and flights and all that of course.

They took us into a room where he measured different parts of my face and recorded them oh and they took pictures as well (before pictures). He answered all of my questions very well and the only thing I was surprised about was where the scar was going to be....apparently putting the scar back behind the hairline (where it's well hidden) means my forehead could potentially be longer than it is now when in fact we want it to be the same or slightly shorter. So most likely he will have to put the scar right at the hairline in front.....so it will show for a while and within a few months the redness of it will go away....till then I'll have to try to cover it with concealer or something. Not excited about that. =/

He also confirmed that top of the head does go numb for 1-2 yrs. That will be very uncomfortable and annoying. I asked about washing and brushing hair with that condition and he said it was usually fine ....but more likely being careful getting out of cars and such.....so as not to bang your head because you wouldn't even know you hurt yourself.

He said no working out for 6 weeks but that I could start walking right away within the first day and something about patients doing a lot of walking really helped things along, he said from experience.

We talked dates and how long I'd have to be in town etc. Basically I'd arrive on Monday, have pre-op appointment. Surgery is going to be Thur. Stay over night in the hospital one night (or more if needed, but 1 night is usually enough) then go to hotel for the weekend. Have a post-op appointment on the next Monday where they take the packing out of my nose (which will be a huge relief) and then stay in town till that next Friday, and that's when they take the 'cast' off and stitches out I guess. Then can go home that day. So it's basically a 2 week thing.

So yesterday I scheduled for Thursday, November 3, 2016. The basic schedule is I will fly down Oct 31st, have pre-op that day and then hang out in town till the 3rd. In the hospital over night and go back to the hotel on Friday. Get packing out of nose and such on the following Monday then stay in town for another week and fly home after getting cast off on that Friday.

I confirmed with work that I will be able to take the month of November off so that will be helpful. I have enough accrued sick and vacation time to do so.

Basic operation will include :
- Type III Forehead reconstruction (includes: scalp advance and brow lift as appropriate. He said they kind of happen on their own when you reconstruct the bone area)
- Rhinoplasty - I already started coming up with pictures of 'cute' feminine noses so we'll be talking about that at some point and going over what's possible and what will work with my face too.

Pricing totaled out at $28k...if I wanted to add the chin in it would have been $42k.

If this goes well then maybe in a few years I'll consider some chin work and maybe 'more' tracheal shave then as well since my original tracheal shave kind of still shows a lot of adam's apple now (20lbs lighter than when I got it with vaginoplasty).

So I'm excited! I will need to start looking at flights and AirBNB / hotels. It looks like AirBNB may have some good options for the area for both distance and price (compared to actual hotels).

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kittenpower

Congratulations, from everything I've read about him he seems to be an excellent surgeon; especially since he  learned Dr.O's techniques from the master himself. I had forehead and nose done in my first round of FFS, and it had a dramatic feminizing effect. I also had the incision placed in my hairline; it doesn't look that appealing at first, but it becomes unnoticeable as time goes by. And the numbing at the top of my head was really bad for the first year, but after a couple of years most of the feeling does come back. Anyway, best wishes, and I am very happy for you. 😊
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KarmaGirl

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SamSparks

He asked me about transgender feelings too.  Its always a bit of a strange question cause in this situation hes in a place of authority, so its a bit strange to ask personal information like that  because you feel compelled to answer. 

But with that said I wouldn't be surprised if he just does it as an opener to better understand the people who come see him, could be wrong though.


Not looking forward to forehead numbness as well.  I really like feeling healthy so its going to suck that parts of me will essentially be injured and paralyzed for a period of time :/.  Just creeps me out.  It seems both high variable but also mostly out of control of the surgeon.  Incision has to go somewhere.
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Ellement_of_Freedom

Thank you so much for the post Debra. I'm planning to go to Deschamps-Braly for a consult next year, as I have only heard amazing things. What were the before and after photos like?


FFS: Dr Noorman van der Dussen, August 2018 (Belgium)
SRS: Dr Suporn, January 2019 (Thailand)
VFS: Dr Thomas, May 2019 (USA)
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Debra

Quote from: Ellement_of_Freedom on June 23, 2016, 02:18:24 AM
What were the before and after photos like?

They were all pretty good, if you ask me. And way more up to date than some of the ones you find on other surgeon's websites too.

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Debra

Quote from: kittenpower on June 22, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
Congratulations, from everything I've read about him he seems to be an excellent surgeon; especially since he  learned Dr.O's techniques from the master himself. I had forehead and nose done in my first round of FFS, and it had a dramatic feminizing effect. I also had the incision placed in my hairline; it doesn't look that appealing at first, but it becomes unnoticeable as time goes by. And the numbing at the top of my head was really bad for the first year, but after a couple of years most of the feeling does come back. Anyway, best wishes, and I am very happy for you. 😊

Thanks for that. Did you use concealer to hide it for the first few months or did you go for bangs, etc?

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Debra

Quote from: SamSparks on June 22, 2016, 02:33:45 PM
He asked me about transgender feelings too.  Its always a bit of a strange question cause in this situation hes in a place of authority, so its a bit strange to ask personal information like that  because you feel compelled to answer. 

But with that said I wouldn't be surprised if he just does it as an opener to better understand the people who come see him, could be wrong though.

Yeah I just wasn't expecting that I guess....perhaps because it had been 5 years since vaginoplasty and that was the last time a surgeon asked me that haha.

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Not looking forward to forehead numbness as well.  I really like feeling healthy so its going to suck that parts of me will essentially be injured and paralyzed for a period of time :/.  Just creeps me out.  It seems both high variable but also mostly out of control of the surgeon.  Incision has to go somewhere.

Yeah it's going to be annoying and creepy and weird.

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deeiche

Quote from: Debra on June 23, 2016, 05:31:15 AM
Quote from: SamSparks on June 22, 2016, 02:33:45 PM
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Not looking forward to forehead numbness as well.  I really like feeling healthy so its going to suck that parts of me will essentially be injured and paralyzed for a period of time :/.  Just creeps me out.  It seems both high variable but also mostly out of control of the surgeon.  Incision has to go somewhere.
Yeah it's going to be annoying and creepy and weird.
I had coronal incision 9 months ago, plus a lot of other procedures, including nasal valve repair (not an FFS procedure).  No longer numbness on forehead, lips, chin, cheeks, still have slight numbness on nose tip, however behind coronal incision there is only slight improvement in feeling.

I expected numbness, you do get accustomed to it.  I really notice it when I wash my hair.  The other thing is I've hit my head a couple of times on low hanging branches, once on a rafter in the hay barn.  Without complete feeling there you lose awareness of how close your are to things.  I've learned to be more aware of my surroundings.

Congratulations on finding your FFS surgeon.
"It's only money, not life or death"
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kittenpower

Quote from: Debra on June 23, 2016, 05:29:40 AM
Thanks for that. Did you use concealer to hide it for the first few months or did you go for bangs, etc?
I didn't want to contaminate the wound with makeup, but my hair hid the incisions pretty well.
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Debra

Quote from: deeiche on June 23, 2016, 07:03:40 AM
Yeah it's going to be annoying and creepy and weird.

I had coronal incision 9 months ago, plus a lot of other procedures, including nasal valve repair (not an FFS procedure).  No longer numbness on forehead, lips, chin, cheeks, still have slight numbness on nose tip, however behind coronal incision there is only slight improvement in feeling.

I expected numbness, you do get accustomed to it.  I really notice it when I wash my hair.  The other thing is I've hit my head a couple of times on low hanging branches, once on a rafter in the hay barn.  Without complete feeling there you lose awareness of how close your are to things.  I've learned to be more aware of my surroundings.

Congratulations on finding your FFS surgeon.

Thanks for the congratz and for sharing. That's what the doctor said too.....being aware of it so you didn't hurt yourself was important. Yeah I can't imagine washing my hair and not being able to feel it.....

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Debra

Quote from: kittenpower on June 23, 2016, 09:53:54 AM
I didn't want to contaminate the wound with makeup, but my hair hid the incisions pretty well.

Kk thanks. I'm considering going back to bangs for the duration of recovery of the scar

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RubyAliza

Congrats! The girl I met who had full ffs with Dr. Deschamps-braly looked incredible, super passing and pretty even though she was less than 4 months post op. Her hairline scar was already practically invisible. Don't worry about it too much :) I believe he does a trichophytic incision so hair should go through it (correct me if I'm wrong).

- Ruby
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Debra

Quote from: RubyAliza on June 23, 2016, 06:31:03 PM
Congrats! The girl I met who had full ffs with Dr. Deschamps-braly looked incredible, super passing and pretty even though she was less than 4 months post op. Her hairline scar was already practically invisible. Don't worry about it too much :) I believe he does a trichophytic incision so hair should go through it (correct me if I'm wrong).

- Ruby

Thanks! Yeah you are right. I'm just worried about the time before 4 months lol. I go back to work after 1 month so I want to look presentable and not give off too many 'clues' that I've had some major stuff done I guess

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Debra

Been in talks with the Dr Office over the last week. Put $3k down to reserve my date and signed a bunch of papers.

They've also talked about a weird facial routine to start doing immediately that includes Retin-A and some other thing that helps even out pigment or something.

Had to sign forms about MicB shots as well as Micro Needling with PRP. Some weird stuff I had to get a lot of more info from them about (cuz I didn't want to blindly sign). The micro needling part sounds kinda scary / painful but hoping it won't take too long.

Also been looking up AirBnB in the san fran area that's close to both the doc office and the surgery center itself. A few pretty good options and all cheaper than any hotels in the area.

Airfare seems pretty easy and I have enough air miles to pay for at least one 1-way ticket so that's a plus. =)

My bestie's mother (who's become kind of an adoptive mother) is going to go with me for the full 2 weeks I'll be down there so I'm paying for her airfare and hotel stay as well.

I looked up rental car prices and it's ~ $500 for 2 weeks. We technically only need the car for the day of (and after surgery) because they don't let you leave in an uber......but it's ~ $200 for 3 days (plus $50 each way from the airpot) so kinda might as well go for the whole $500 but it also depends on parking costs wherever we stay.

Getting excited, still saving $2500/mo to get to the final amount in time (including all the other costs).

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Debra

Latest update: Flights are all purchased except for my own return flight because my husband is going to fly down when my bestie's mom flies home and we are going to go to a conference in San Fran for a few days before flying home together. Correction: HE is going to the conference, I'll be chilling in the hotel with room service lol.

Also AirBnB is purchased for the duration of the trip and rental car as well.

Finally, I sent Dr D the pics of cute noses I liked and he and I spoke over the phone discussing them. He said they looked just fine and definitely doable. He said he likes to see pictures because it's difficult to just talk about verbally the angle of upward tip of the nose and such....easier to see it.

So getting excited, waiting for the stuff they're going to send me to start putting on my face ahead of time (Retin-A and some other stuff).

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Ellement_of_Freedom

I love hearing about Dr D. Sounds like he can do anything with noses huh?


FFS: Dr Noorman van der Dussen, August 2018 (Belgium)
SRS: Dr Suporn, January 2019 (Thailand)
VFS: Dr Thomas, May 2019 (USA)
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DanielleBasel

Congratulation... I know by myself what a huge step such a decision is... Happy for you  :D

And all the best...  :-*
Danielle
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confused_very

Hey Debra
when you say you sent pictures of noses, how did you go through them, did you just find random noses from the internet, how did you assess them to work with your face? how do you know they would be ok in proportion to your other features?
I haven't done any research for noses, i don't really know where to start especially when i take into account my face shape and whatever my face would look like after facial surgery also.
i am about 6 weeks away now but i don't really know what to do...leave it up to the doctor and cross my fingers or look potentially for a nose that may end up not suiting my face...
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Debra

Quote from: Ellement_of_Freedom on July 21, 2016, 01:09:14 AM
I love hearing about Dr D. Sounds like he can do anything with noses huh?

Yeah that's what he said. We both agreed though that we want the nose to fit my face too.

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