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Major differences in processing emotions.

Started by TransAm, January 02, 2017, 01:57:36 PM

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TransAm

Though this was definitely something I anticipated, I wasn't expecting it to be this stark.

It's not that I have a lesser scope of emotions as some guys have noted; the emotions I do feel are just being manifested so differently (both physically and mentally) that it's sometimes unclear even to me what I'm feeling.
Examples:
Pre-T, any feelings of anxiety/nervousness/stress would present in all the typical ways (cold sweat, occasional palpitations, feeling fidgety, rapid thoughts, shallow breathing, sense of impending doom, etc.). Now, though? I just get this odd feeling deep in my stomach and a vague mental awareness that I need/want to be alone. That's it. The first several times it happened, it was a little confusing.
Anger is very different, too. I get that same feeling in my stomach with a little more intensity and all my senses get sharper. Since starting HRT, I haven't been anywhere near being pushed to my limit (that's only happened about three times in my life), but I suppose it will be interesting when it does happen.

I also deal with problems (both mine and others) differently and get really annoyed with people that just want to talk/complain/whine/become overly emotional instead of making changes. The paths to solutions seem much clearer and I just want to fix everything.
Fix, fix, fix, find solutions, fix, take action, change.

Also... no matter what I'm feeing or experiencing, the one thing that universally makes me feel better is having sex/getting off in some way. This definitely wasn't the case before as my emotions would make it near impossible for me to be in the mood.
Honestly, after looking at it from this side of the equation, I suspect that's why some men become compulsive masturbators.

What about you guys? Any major alterations?
"I demolish my bridges behind me - then there is no choice but forward." - Fridtjof Nansen
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FTMax

No real changes for me. The only noticeable emotional differences I've experienced have been that I'm less patient, have less anxiety, and am more easily frustrated when things aren't going right.
T: 12/5/2014 | Top: 4/21/2015 | Hysto: 2/6/2016 | Meta: 3/21/2017

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Kylo

It's not yet 3 months on it for me yet so I'm skeptical I've experienced the height of the mental changes, but yes, things are different now.

Anxiety typically manifested for me before not as physical symptoms but as a slow burn sort of mental state. Despite being someone I'd class as hyper aware and anxious, I never experienced a panic attack or anything like that. The mental state would then proceed to eat up and slow down my thoughts for hours, basically pushing their way to the front of my mind at all times. I could still function, which is why so many people had difficulty believing I've ever been "scared" of anything. They don't believe me at all if I say that. They think I'm fearless. But the reality is if I am afraid of something, it will consume my thinking to a ridiculous degree, it just won't show on the outside. That's just as debilitating in some ways, as any physical symptoms if you just cannot get your mind off of something and concentrate on things that need to be done, or allow the thoughts to influence your decisions.

Post-T, I find myself giving brief thought to worries and concerns in comparison. Nothing keeps me awake at night, even though I have the same life, the same problems. I can just push those stupid, unproductive thoughts aside so much easier. It's not that any sense of danger has diminished --- it's more that I can continue to process logically while it's there, decide on what to do, and not have it drag me down with it.

Before T I used to think talking things out would solve some of my problems. In truth, it rarely if ever did. The only thing that ever solved problems beyond deducing what they were is action, and I knew that before T. Now I just have no real desire to talk about personal problems with people. It probably doesn't help that I've always been surrounded by people who wouldn't know how to console somebody to save their lives, but in the past I actually enjoyed talking for some reason. Now I don't really get that much from it. Exchange of ideas, sure... interesting things, yes... but talking about problems? Seems pointless. Nobody is going to fix them for me.

Anger. I sure do have an anger problem, that was something that developed before T, about 2-3 years ago. I'm not sure if it was exasperation with my situation, feeling trapped for years or what, but I went from just being bugged and sad about things to expressing anger in a far more physical way. I.e. punching doors and occasionally trashing things up depending on how bad the situation was. Not often -- not my go-to response, but one that happened a few times when I felt genuinely set upon by my situation or the people around me. It takes a lot to put me in this state, but once it's there it's there. I recall it happening once when I was about 15 in which too many stressful things were just being piled on top of me at once - my parents drunken fights and threats to break up, kids in the neighborhood threatening to "kill me" - I just lost it and snapped. It has to be pretty severe for me to get to this point but I noticed I'd been reaching it easier and easier in the last few years, and also that stress was actually beginning to make me physically sick. So whether it's a problem of "mine" or the situation I'm in is hard to tell. I think anyone can go nuts if pushed too far.

Post T, I've felt genuinely calmer. Before T anger would literally give no warning, it'd be on me if someone said the wrong thing after pushing and pushing. It still gives no warning, but it's harder to get me to that point because I'm like "so what?" about many things I never used to be. The sort of daily irritants from other people that used to really grind my gears no longer seem to. Big things still do - my landlords for example, they really tested my patience a few weeks ago with their get-personal B.S., but since I started T I haven't had any sort of blow-up at all. I'm slightly worried that I don't feel the state of anger creeping up on me, but if I can at least feel less aggravated in general, that's a good thing. And I really do feel less aggravated.

Like you, I have always been exasperated by whiners and people who seem to just wilt at the prospect of fixing their own problems. I have always been a man of action lol, whenever I could execute it. That doesn't seem to have changed. My sister is the sort of person who likes to go on about how bad she feels, even though she causes these problems to herself a lot of the time, and I really do just process this now as pointless moping. Although I try to think of something that cuts the B.S. and is useful to say that would make someone like her think, "yeah, I just need to do X" and then actually do it. I don't have a history of enjoying listening to someone feel sorry for themselves, though, even though I genuinely like to help the people I care about.

I noticed I'm less patient with people. Not a whole lot less, but enough to notice. If people are being stupid or saying dumb things, a thought will generally occur: whatever. And just go back to my business. It seems useless to involve myself in their business, really. Again if that's the people around me or me being the major cause, I'm not really sure.

To put it in perspective, when everyone was talking recently about the prospect of a nuclear standoff with Russia and the UK being possibly dragged into that, and the fact I live 15 miles away from GCHQ's listening post and would probably be nuked to toasty hell, actually kept me up thinking. I haven't really thought about it since T. Like a lot of things, it now seems productive to think about things if and when the need arises, and not just because brain feels like tormenting itself today.

Another thing - the sort of inner monologue that goes on in the head when you're thinking things through... it's difficult to describe this but it is clearer, and I trust it more now. It's present less often but when it is, it seems to suggest better things.

I can't say getting off really makes me feel "better", but there is one thing to note... that I don't feel guilty about it anymore. I always used to, for some reason. Seems like another body function now, which I can either bother with or not bother with. There's a particular trigger in my brain that I can allow to be pulled, or not... I guess what I mean is I can choose whether or not to allow myself to be physically or mentally influenced into wanting it. Post T that seems more defined and more of a capable switch. If it is turned on though it's like there's less inhibitions to just going through with it. And I think you nailed it saying emotions can be a total turn-off. I remember that being the case and most of the time just wanting to avoid having to deal with them while dealing with anything sexual.

One big change to note is how much less self-conscious I feel. It still do feel it at the moment, I'm not where I want to be just yet. But the feeling of possibly being seen as ridiculous or looked on badly, is nowhere near as strong. I've always been something of a joker, and always wanted to express myself more around people, but was prevented by this. I think a few more months like this and I'm not going to be bothered by it at all anymore. I'm genuinely wondering what crazy endeavor I'll feel up to by then because given my past I'll probably go do it.

With stuff like sadness, I find it's pretty much the same emotion, it's just easier to distract from.

I'm not sure about affection toward people yet - over the last couple of years I found myself reeling that in for self preservation and I don't know if I'll be doling that out as much as I once did.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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patrick1967

For me the biggest differences have been in my stress levels, not as bad as they used to be. Also my confidence and control seems to be better. Anger is lesser.
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TransAm

Quote from: Kylo on January 02, 2017, 03:16:06 PM
Like a lot of things, it now seems productive to think about things if and when the need arises, and not just because brain feels like tormenting itself today.

^ That x 20883292092. I just don't see the point in dwelling on something for the sake of upsetting myself when there are no immediate actions I can take.
I've never been an empathetic person whatsoever but it's gotten a little 'worse', I guess. My fiancée is the type of person the world really needs--she frequently donates to charities, gives money to the homeless, donates her time and energy to a number of worthy causes--but she is very prone to completely unravelling as a result. Hallmark movies, falling leaves, sad songs, and any other number of things make her emotional.
I, on the other hand, would probably make an excellent first responder as any emotions I could possibly have over something are *extremely* delayed.

One day we were out for a drive when a huge accident happened right in front of us. She screamed and almost instantly started crying. I pulled the car over, put it in park and immediately got out to run to the scene. I felt nothing--no fear, no anxiety, no rush--as though I were doing something as mundane as going to brush my teeth.
It wasn't until much later in the night that I actually stopped to process what had occurred.

Anyway, what I was going to get to was that she's the type that will really live in the waves of emotions that come with 'what if' scenarios; she's always trying to remind me that those scenarios are potentially plausible and I'm always trying to remind her that it's an exercise in futility to fear the 'maybe's in life.
"I demolish my bridges behind me - then there is no choice but forward." - Fridtjof Nansen
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somewhat

The way you explained the changes was very descriptive and easy to picture. I just had to say that. Do you write a lot?

The major alteration for me was that my body just felt alright. I had no huge hopes for my life to get better and T was my last resort before committing suicide. I was completely amazed at how okay it made me feel. I was spending almost all my time in the last phase pre-T wondering how I could even live long enough to get it. Within a week I had gone from a solid ten to a mere five on the depression scale.

Otherwise plenty of things changed, most prominently the sexuality and the confidence. I'm also more impulsive, and let out my anger more often. One weird thing I noticed is that multitasking became even harder. It was noticeable because my ability to multitask has always been bad. Also the ability to focus went down a little. I don't feel more aware of my surroundings at all. Other than that I'm more calm now and although I get pissed off easier I don't harbour hatred like I used to and am more accepting towards people around me.

That's about it.  :angel:
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Kylo

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Quote from: Stone Magnum on January 02, 2017, 04:55:58 PM
^ That x 20883292092. I just don't see the point in dwelling on something for the sake of upsetting myself when there are no immediate actions I can take.
I've never been an empathetic person whatsoever but it's gotten a little 'worse', I guess. My fiancée is the type of person the world really needs--she frequently donates to charities, gives money to the homeless, donates her time and energy to a number of worthy causes--but she is very prone to completely unravelling as a result. Hallmark movies, falling leaves, sad songs, and any other number of things make her emotional.
I, on the other hand, would probably make an excellent first responder as any emotions I could possibly have over something are *extremely* delayed.

One day we were out for a drive when a huge accident happened right in front of us. She screamed and almost instantly started crying. I pulled the car over, put it in park and immediately got out to run to the scene. I felt nothing--no fear, no anxiety, no rush--as though I were doing something as mundane as going to brush my teeth.
It wasn't until much later in the night that I actually stopped to process what had occurred.

Anyway, what I was going to get to was that she's the type that will really live in the waves of emotions that come with 'what if' scenarios; she's always trying to remind me that those scenarios are potentially plausible and I'm always trying to remind her that it's an exercise in futility to fear the 'maybe's in life.

Exactly, it was something I suspected was the estrogen's fault, and having that flooding a brain that isn't apparently wired for it is torture - as it definitely seems to promote emotional reaction, overthinking, worry, stress etc. in general going by pretty much all accounts I've ever heard, cis and trans. I worry enough as is, I don't need to be pushed to it constantly chemically as well.

Makes me think if there is merit to the idea transmen do have masculinized brain structures, what we're essentially doing until T is operating on a major deficiency - not enough T and too much E for that kind of brain to function optimally. No wonder we feel so damn lousy, besides all the rest of it.

I've driven by an accident too and both myself and my partner's reaction way back when were quite muted. I processed it but it was the type of accident nothing could be done for. Could tell by the body language of everyone standing around and attending the victims. And the fact blood was leaking all over the road. I imagine my reaction now would be much the same. It's not that I don't care - it's that nothing can be done. Well, that and me being desensitized to a degree by certain experiences. I imagine in the end everyone would end up like that if they were confronted by that sort of thing every other day. But if it's not something you see every day I'd expect most people to have more of a reaction than I do.

It's like --- if I am thinking about something that is detached from reality then it has more power to upset me. If I'm operating in reality, it's quite hard to make me emotional. I guess I've always viewed the life of that which is within the body and the mind as a quite different thing to everything that goes on outside it. Typically my reactions to "life" are much more composed compared to that which goes on in my own head.

What confuses me is how some people actually enjoy being at the mercy of their emotions. I don't mind emotions, so long as I can turn them off when they become detrimental. Being at the mercy of E, and then knowing what it feels like to have almost no T or E makes me real glad I can now control what hormones I put in my body.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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