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Started by HappyMoni, January 06, 2017, 10:18:42 PM

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HappyMoni

I'm not sure my question has been answered. Some M to F transgender people who were always attracted to females, switch to being with males at some point in their transition. From my personal experience, I know how immensely powerful the desire is to be female, feminine, accepted as such by myself and others. Is this immensely powerful desire the cause of  people switching to sleeping with men instead of women? I can imagine that being with a guy would make the transwoman much more secure in their femininity. When a transwoman is with a cis woman, maybe it could be less soothing to any insecurity that the transwoman might  have. If that is the case, there might be motivation to be with men instead of woman. I would probably say it is reasonable to say that some transwomen are so "hard wired" that a change in orientation is not possible. For those who switch, I would like to know why it is important to do so. Why is being with a female no longer good enough?
Monica
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Sophia Sage

Quote from: HappyMoni on January 09, 2017, 11:26:00 AMI'm not sure my question has been answered. Some M to F transgender people who were always attracted to females, switch to being with males at some point in their transition. From my personal experience, I know how immensely powerful the desire is to be female, feminine, accepted as such by myself and others. Is this immensely powerful desire the cause of  people switching to sleeping with men instead of women?

I'm not sure it's possible to identify a "cause" in this. It was simply the reality for me -- especially after facial surgery.

QuoteI would probably say it is reasonable to say that some transwomen are so "hard wired" that a change in orientation is not possible. For those who switch, I would like to know why it is important to do so. Why is being with a female no longer good enough?

Um, because being with women doesn't get me sexually excited anymore.  Having sex with men, that's what really turns me on now.  I just go with what my body tells me.  So maybe what's "hard wired" into me is heterosexual sex.  Again, depends on how you frame sexuality -- is it about the type of sex you have, or who you have it with?

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Mariah

I definitely respond differently for sure. My fear of some of them was there before the sexual assault, but after it I stay guarded in a sense to ensure I'm totally aware of my surroundings. There is no doubt that I have been attracted to them at the same time, but have found that I'm not fond of the kind that are aggressive and macho, but of the kind that are caring and considerate. In the end, I found the guy I love who I'm completely attracted too. I'm so holding on tight too and won't let go of him. The previous boyfriend found out and I feel was puzzled by I'm turned on by the person before the body. Hugs
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HappyMoni

So Sophia and Mariah, when you were younger, you were attracted to women and now you are only interested in men. It's almost as if your move to the female people you are (externally) left no room for another female presence in a relationship. Do you think the attraction to men was always there and you just hid it because you didn't see yourself being with a male with a male body? I find it hard to believe it is just a matter of plumbing. It is a pretty big jump going from never romantically thinking about men to wanting them exclusively. I am not doubting what you are telling me, but I can't wrap my head around how or why such a change occurs.
Monica
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Sophia Sage

Quote from: HappyMoni on January 09, 2017, 05:31:25 PMSo Sophia and Mariah, when you were younger, you were attracted to women and now you are only interested in men. 

I wouldn't say "only" -- "primarily" would be more accurate, as in "heteroflexible."  I've had a dozen or so lovers post-op, two were women. Before transition, I had a couple of male lovers -- one in an orgy situation, another a long-term friend who occasionally instigated but they didn't really get me going, so to speak -- but I was deeply repressed back then, not actively dysphoric, so my situation is very different from what most of us experienced.

I thought I was going to take another female lover about a month ago, someone I met this summer and was just bowled over by her charisma.  She was in town, and I spent the day with her, went back to her hotel room... and there just wasn't a spark.  Neither of us made a move, we just talked, and then it was time to go.  A lovely conversation, but by the end I was like, "I really liked her company, but I'm not horny or anything."

QuoteIt's almost as if your move to the female people you are (externally) left no room for another female presence in a relationship.

That's... a perhaps controversial way to put it. Actually, my closest relationships are with other women -- they're just not sexual relationships. 

So it's not about "room" for who I have in a relationship.  It's about who I'm attracted to.  And that changed during transition.  Much to the consternation and yet also relief of my partner at the time, who was willing to try being lesbian, but really wasn't looking forward to it.

QuoteDo you think the attraction to men was always there and you just hid it because you didn't see yourself being with a male with a male body? I find it hard to believe it is just a matter of plumbing. It is a pretty big jump going from never romantically thinking about men to wanting them exclusively. I am not doubting what you are telling me, but I can't wrap my head around how or why such a change occurs.

Well, who knows?  I have no idea why I've responded the way I have.  I can only hypothesize -- mainly, that I prefer heterosexuality.  Or it could be how my brain responded to HRT -- as I said, my orientation shifted during transition, not afterwards, but then transition is such a huge change in orientation itself, it could just be that.

Equally, though, I think it's a pretty big jump on your part going from being invested in a heterosexual relationship to a homosexual relationship, and even more so for your partner. 

Perhaps sexuality is more malleable and fluid than people give it credit for.  I knew a woman who thought she was straight until she fell in love with another woman (who was definitely gay).  I know a woman who was gay until her 60s... and now just wants to be with men.  Or maybe they were "always" bisexual?  Does sexuality need to be "fixed" or immutable in any way?  Maybe it is for some people, and not for others.  The longer I live, the more I realize there are no universal constants when it comes to humanity. 

I don't think we need to "wrap our heads around it" in the end, because our bodies and hearts have their seasons and homelands of their own, and all that precedes conscious thought, precedes reason.  We just simply have to accept it. 
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Iliana.Found

This seems to be one of my biggest points of confusion. It's always coming up in therapy. Pre-Transisition and before I ever knew I was trans, I never wanted to be with a man. Sure a dream or something here or there, but never wakingly wanted to be with one and that was until I was 26. After acceptance of being trans I still said I would be exclusively attracted to women. That changed about 2 months into hormones. I believe that for me it was more about the validation that I could get with being with a man rather than being physically attracted to a man. My head was in the area of men like women, mostly, so if a man wants to be with me, then that must mean that I am female looking enough and I pass enough that he sees me like any other woman. So it validates what I always felt I was and continues to do so.

Then I realized why I began to become attracted to males, reason above, and thought hmmmmm that doesn't seem like the whole picture. I'm missing something. SO I opened my closed mind again and found that I love the female figure much more than a man's as far as attraction goes. I believe I pushed these feelings away because I would feel more womanly being with a man when in fact being with either doesn't make me anymore of a women than what I am.

Currently I am Bi dating a man, but prefer women. If me and my BF break up, then I would def search out a female SO first. Hope this answers your question :)
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Jenna Marie

I'm a lot more annoyed by subtle sexism and microaggressions now, and there are a lot fewer men who seem to "get it" than I thought before I transitioned. I guess you could say I ended up as even more of a feminist. ;) I don't actually hate men, and I have some very good male friends, but there's no getting around the fact that living as a woman made me realize how often men *don't* know what that's like. So I still enjoy the friendships, but some topics are more fraught than before.

I was also bisexual before transition and I am still bi after, but I admit that there has been a change there. I HATED being treated as a gay/bi man by other queer men, whereas there's something appealing in being treated as a woman by a straight guy. I'd guess that the percentage of my orientation that involves men I'm potentially attracted to went from maybe 10% to 25% (although I'm married, so it's moot).

Oh, and I also noticed the thing where a lot of men smell "off" or strongly even though they're clean!
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HappyMoni

It is often repeated that orientation and being trans are two different things. I believe that. People who have had same sex attraction have been subjected to all kinds of horrible treatment and still their attraction remains unchanged. So, along comes trans people and some say that their attraction has changed through transition. (For the sake of simplicity I am not stressing bisexuality here).
   Sophia I see why you say HRT might have a big influence especially when you stated that things changed for you during your transition. The idea of just wanting the label of heterosexual sex doesn't seem as likely. We like what we like no matter the label.
Quote from: Iliana.Found on January 10, 2017, 10:48:32 AM
before I ever knew I was trans, I never wanted to be with a man. Sure a dream or something here or there, but never wakingly wanted to be with one and that was until I was 26. After acceptance of being trans I still said I would be exclusively attracted to women. That changed about 2 months into hormones. I believe that for me it was more about the validation that I could get with being with a man rather than being physically attracted to a man. My head was in the area of men like women, mostly, so if a man wants to be with me, then that must mean that I am female looking enough and I pass enough that he sees me like any other woman. So it validates what I always felt I was and continues to do so.

Then I realized why I began to become attracted to males, reason above, and thought hmmmmm that doesn't seem like the whole picture. I'm missing something. SO I opened my closed mind again and found that I love the female figure much more than a man's as far as attraction goes. I believe I pushed these feelings away because I would feel more womanly being with a man when in fact being with either doesn't make me anymore of a women than what I am.


Iliana this makes a lot of sense to me. If you take into account the mind frame of the trans person who has been desperately suppressing their female side only to spring forth looking for validation as a woman, I can well see that being with a man could be very reassuring and validating. The desire to be accepted as female in my experience is extremely powerful. I am naturally attracted to women. Even though I am not especially attracted to men, I can see that it might have a certain draw to it. Like Jenna said there is that "smell issue" or should I say "scent."
Does this make sense to anyone else, or am I off base here? I am motivated to understand this because I want to stay with my wife. The fact that my attitude toward men is more like seeing them through binoculars than a microscope now, made me a bit nervous. Like how far does this outlook change go?
Monica
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"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Maybebaby56

This is such an interesting discussion!  When I began my transition, I figured I would be a lesbian, because I had zero interest in men as romantic or sexual partners.  After a few months on hormones, I noticed men a lot more.  I surprised myself on more than one occasion thinking to myself, "That guy is really cute!".  It was like, "Wait, who said that?!"

Since my transition, almost all my friends are women. I prefer their company as I am more relaxed and comfortable around them.  When I am around men, I am much more conscious of my appearance and careful with what I say. The exception to this is at work.  I transitioned at work after over two years there as a guy, and weirdly enough, my transition has gone so smoothly at work that nobody treats me an differently at all, so I simply am in "work mode".

Surprisingly, I now have a boyfriend.  There were some slightly extenuating circumstances, in that he is gender fluid to some extent, and really likes trans girls. He is so sweet to me, and is always kind and supportive.  When I had my FFS, he would come by the hotel and bring me soup, and whatever little items I needed from the drug store.  We would sit and watch old moves together, often holding hands.  However, there really isn't a lot of sexual attraction there, mainly because (I think) I am on anti-androgens and have pretty much zero libido.  And I have told him this. Fortunately, he is okay with this. We are both older, I am 59 and he is 65, and we both know how to appreciate the finer things in life.

I spent New Year's with him, and we shared a bed.  We cuddled, but I told him no sex until after I am anatomically correct.  It's a little confusing for me, since there is no sexual component to it, but it is not much different from the time I shared a bed with my best girlfriend.  We cuddled then, too, and it was intimacy without sex.

Am I still attracted to women?  Kinda, yeah. I think the female form is the most erotic, but I really have to wait until after SRS to tell if I am bisexual or I just like to be with anyone is intelligent and kind.

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Mariah

Coming into transition I wasn't sure which group, if either, I was attracted too. It's why the therapist asked me that first session if I was Asexual, but by that point I did know which group I was attracted too. A few of my friends remember how I looked at guys growing up and I hadn't recalled anything before that point, but after that point bits and pieces came to mind. In the end, it is clear I was attracted to guys all along but I had blocked it out for some reason before that point. I should note that was all sorted out pre hormones. Hugs
Mariah
Quote from: HappyMoni on January 09, 2017, 05:31:25 PM
So Sophia and Mariah, when you were younger, you were attracted to women and now you are only interested in men. It's almost as if your move to the female people you are (externally) left no room for another female presence in a relationship. Do you think the attraction to men was always there and you just hid it because you didn't see yourself being with a male with a male body? I find it hard to believe it is just a matter of plumbing. It is a pretty big jump going from never romantically thinking about men to wanting them exclusively. I am not doubting what you are telling me, but I can't wrap my head around how or why such a change occurs.
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MjaGi

after quite some time on HRT, I view them a bit different. Before I didnt care about their appearance at all, but now I am so superficial with looks that I started to dislike 'non-hot guys'. I don't like how that turned out but ... well it is like that now. Also, I started appreciating their dominant character a lot.
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Sophia Sage

Quote from: Iliana.Found on January 10, 2017, 10:48:32 AMMy head was in the area of men like women, mostly, so if a man wants to be with me, then that must mean that I am female looking enough and I pass enough that he sees me like any other woman. So it validates what I always felt I was and continues to do so.

Then I realized why I began to become attracted to males, reason above, and thought hmmmmm that doesn't seem like the whole picture. I'm missing something. SO I opened my closed mind again and found that I love the female figure much more than a man's as far as attraction goes. I believe I pushed these feelings away because I would feel more womanly being with a man when in fact being with either doesn't make me anymore of a women than what I am.

Whether it's lesbians or straight men who find you attractive, it's going to be validating, though to be honest just being found attractive by anyone at all is extremely validating, gender implications aside. 

However, the power of the gender implications shouldn't be dismissed, either.  Because that certainly feels very very good. And because we live in a heteronormative society, I think there's a special appeal to being found attractive and being in a relationship with a straight man, because it's such a relief just to feel normal.

But these are not the same as erotic attraction on our own part.  And, I dunno, I think hormones can affect that (though not always) because we can give off and respond to different pheremones differently, and I think SRS can affect it as well, just in terms of what "feels good" down there. 

Quote from: HappyMoni on January 10, 2017, 01:35:30 PMSophia I see why you say HRT might have a big influence especially when you stated that things changed for you during your transition. The idea of just wanting the label of heterosexual sex doesn't seem as likely. We like what we like no matter the label.

To be clear, it's not the label I find erotic, it's the act of heterosexuality that turns me on.  Like, watching gay or lesbian porn really doesn't do it for me, it never has.  It's the frisson of a man and a woman that revs me up.

QuoteI am motivated to understand this because I want to stay with my wife. The fact that my attitude toward men is more like seeing them through binoculars than a microscope now, made me a bit nervous. Like how far does this outlook change go?

It's impossible to predict, Moni. 

And it's impossible to predict how your wife is going to react, either.  If she's already solidly bi, that's certainly better for you, and if you are too, then you probably won't have a problem.

But you might also, after healing from bottom surgery, find yourself in the position where you just have to know what it's like to have sex with a man.  It's a distinct possibility.  It might not turn out that way.  But it happens often enough that it's something you and your spouse should talk about. 

My partner during transition was strictly monogamous.  As soon as I was kissed by a man, she was done with it, she was through, especially as by that point I'd already made it clear I didn't want to have kids. But this was ultimately for the best.  The way it was shaping up, she was always going to be the woman in the relationship -- the one who could get pregnant, the one who would stay at home with babies, and I was always going to be some "other" woman... at best.  And this, despite her best intentions.  It was ultimately a gift to us both that the relationship ended.  Even if we had discovered lesbian sexual compatibility...

...because I discovered I also had to find out what it was like to be in relationships (sexual and otherwise) that weren't haunted by a trans narrative.  But that's another matter entirely. 
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Jenna Marie

It's worth noting that some people find they can transcend their typical orientation for a specific person - there are cis lesbians who fall in love with one specific man, otherwise straight cis women who stay with a trans wife, etc. - so I would not assume that transition and/or GRS would be the death knell of a relationship. Sometimes transition highlights faults that were there already, and it certainly *can* end relationships, but it's far from a guarantee.

(And I found out what it was like to be penetrated by a dick without needing a man per se; there are also many, many people who are profoundly curious about some sex object or sex act outside of their relationship but manage to control the temptation or figure out a way to experiment with "the next best thing.")

In other words, Moni, if you want to stay with your wife, that will most likely be within your control. It might be difficult and involve compromises, but HRT and GRS are not typically an unstoppable juggernaut that compel you to go find a man. I'm speaking up mostly because my own wife ended up very traumatized by people insisting that HRT would send me chasing off after the nearest man and force me to abandon her.  She gets very frustrated when anyone acts as if transition automatically destroys every relationship.
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Dani

Well Ladies, there we go! We all have our own feelings and attractions. For me, I am 67 and I have little or no sexual drive. Mostly, I prefer women for conversation and company. Now a days, I feel mostly sorry for the men around me who are so limited in what they say and do.
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HappyMoni

The responses on this thread have really been very insightful. In my case, I am very happy with my wife and she with me. There is likely a bisexual element to both of us. I am just now relieving myself through transition of the incredible longing of wanting something that was always out of my reach. I wanted to be female bodied  all my life. I don't really want to replace it with any other type of longing (like for a different sex partner.) At this point, maybe I am a little nervous. I have changed so much and I don't know where that change stops. Now add in GCS. I know that will profoundly effect how I see myself. Others may be different, but for me I know this to be true. What that means in terms of sexual desire, I don't know til I get there. To be completely honest, if I wasn't in a relationship I would be interested in experiencing sex with both sexes(only as a female). There is so much more to what I have with my partner than sex though. I am so lucky, and I don't want to screw that up with desires or actions. So, I am trying to figure things out as best I can. Thank you all for helping with this.
Moni
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soon2b

Great question. Before I started transitioning I considered myself bi/pansexuali. As I continue to transition I am only attracted to women. I have been hit on guys and I like it but zero attraction.
I have found out that some guys can be real jerks, to put it nicely, when politely turned down. New years eve I almost reverted to old me on a fool after he purposely shoulder checked me 5 times. A friend of mine is so cute she put her hand on my arm and said "Sarabeth, we don't do that"
since I work in a dangerous 95% male environment I do find myself acting more masculine than I like to,  almost like I have to stay tough in order to stay safe. Takes me almost all weekend to come down from and move, speak and behave more feminine, then it is back to work. And yes I am 100% out at work..

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Tessa James

My response to men has become much more complicated.  I have always been transgender and queer.  I have had wonderful loving experiences with people regardless of gender or body parts.  I have clearly felt female no matter my partners orientation or gender.

After a few years into transition I can acknowledge an even deeper attraction to men, including their smells.  At the same time I have been exposed to considerable mansplaining, gas lighting, and too typical misogyny.  When living as a man I found men, gay or straight, to be competitive and status oriented to an uncomfortable degree.  I then participated in sizing one another up and direct eye contact.  I found more gay men to be emotionally available and sensitive.

Now i avoid direct eye contact with men that can lead to miscommunications at best and leering or quizzical looks too often.  I cannot really know their intentions but have no need to engage them.  Flirting is now much more perilous.  I used to enjoy flirting with gay men.  Other women are much more engaging now thank goodness.

Fortunately I remain married and committed so much of this becomes academic and interesting from a distance. ;)
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HappyMoni

Quote from: Tessa James on January 13, 2017, 01:08:53 PM
My response to men has become much more complicated.

Now i avoid direct eye contact with men that can lead to miscommunications at best and leering or quizzical looks too often.  I cannot really know their intentions but have no need to engage them.  Flirting is now much more perilous.  I used to enjoy flirting with gay men.  Other women are much more engaging now thank goodness.

Tessa,
   I am not as far into my adjustment as you are. I am still very frequently running into situations that I have to figure out. I know how to deal with situations with men as a "male." I don't know how to react as myself, as crazy as that sounds. For example, when I am around men who did not know me before, I find myself not keeping eye contact for very long. I kind of act a bit shy. I don't know if this is perceived as flirting, which I have no intention of doing. I am very unsure as to how I am perceived, so I think I get shy. I imagine that maybe this is not too unusual for a newbie like myself. Added to this, I sometimes feel like I am walking a tightrope with my voice. I have had throat issues and it can be a bit unpredictable. Another reason I am shy right now. It's funny but, I am not worried about male bravado. I look forward to it in a way. I want to goof on it or perhaps at least call them on it. The moment someone talks to me like I know nothing about cars or sports or puts women down, I am going to have some fun. I love having the female perspective, I can't wait until I really get my bearings.  Anyone have any input on similar experiences or shyness? I wonder how long it takes for this to become old hat.
Monica
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
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HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Barb99

Quote from: HappyMoni on January 13, 2017, 06:21:07 PM
Tessa,
   I am not as far into my adjustment as you are. I am still very frequently running into situations that I have to figure out. I know how to deal with situations with men as a "male." I don't know how to react as myself, as crazy as that sounds. For example, when I am around men who did not know me before, I find myself not keeping eye contact for very long. I kind of act a bit shy. I don't know if this is perceived as flirting, which I have no intention of doing. I am very unsure as to how I am perceived, so I think I get shy. I imagine that maybe this is not too unusual for a newbie like myself. Added to this, I sometimes feel like I am walking a tightrope with my voice. I have had throat issues and it can be a bit unpredictable. Another reason I am shy right now. It's funny but, I am not worried about male bravado. I look forward to it in a way. I want to goof on it or perhaps at least call them on it. The moment someone talks to me like I know nothing about cars or sports or puts women down, I am going to have some fun. I love having the female perspective, I can't wait until I really get my bearings.  Anyone have any input on similar experiences or shyness? I wonder how long it takes for this to become old hat.
Monica

Boy, can I relate to this. I'm standing at the edge of the pool, ready to jump into the dating game. I have no idea of what I'm doing, have not dated in 40 years and never as a woman.
My voice is on the ragged edge and could slip back at any time. Wish me luck!

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AnonyMs

I'm slowly tending towards the view that men are animals.
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