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Holly2016

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December 2016 catch-up:

Shortly after my last post I began helping out at my local theatre as stage crew for their December pantomime. Their performances were going well, I hadn't messed up and the auditorium was full every night. I normally use the disabled toilets between the first and second half but on this particular night there were queues on all of the public toilets and I had to be back in position in 5 minutes. I am one of the theatre's committee members and another was with me and suggested that I use the rehearsal room toilets upstairs. He said that there was another group in but that they wouldn't mind. So I went upstairs, used the ladies toilets (which were empty from the moment I entered to the moment I left) and got on with the second half of the show.
The following evening I was approached by two committee members who told me that they had received some complaints from some parents that they had seen a man going into the ladies toilets, bothering their children and that they had reported the matter to the child protection officer. I was in complete shock. I asked one of them what he had said in reply to the complaint and was told that they had apologised and said that 'he would be told not to use the ladies toilets in future'. I was not only in shock but angry and couldn't quite get the right words out, except that preventing me from using the ladies toilets was probably illegal. I hardly spoke a word for the rest of the week, didn't use any toilet, when I pasted people who were queuing I'm wondering whether they are looking at me because I'm simply passing by, are curious, or whether I imagined that mother pulling her daughter closer to her because of something she had heard. By the end of the last performance ran from the building in tears and have not gone back.
We roll on a few days, a few emails, and some offer to have a meeting to discuss what has happened. I did manage to finally get my mind back together enough to say that this had not been handled appropriately and that the complainants should have been told straight away that I had been involved with the theatre for nearly 10 years, that I was a serving committee member, that I was security checked and safe to work with children and vulnerable adults and that I am really transgender under the care of a gender clinic. Even 2 weeks I don't believe that the complainants have been contacted in any way and are probably warning other parents to be on their guard about the ->-bleeped-<- prowling the theatre bothering their children and using the ladies toilets. The theatre is now a no-go area for me.

A few days later I was out shopping on my own and got verbal abuse from some young teenagers, who thought that it was also hilarious to try and block me into a corner with shopping trolleys but with 10 bags of coal in my trolley there empty ones were no match.

On the 21st I had my first appointment with Dr Khoosal (gender psychiatrist) as the GIC insist on a second opinion to make sure that you really trans and not just confused about your gender. It was a very underwhelming experience and that part of the assessment only lasted a couple of minutes when he saw the way that I dressed and my new photo ID during license. He was short, direct, but never rude. It was obvious that he hadn't read any of my notes and asked me to talk about my life as I was growing up. He kept cutting me short, asking for 'just a few words', then onto what lead up to me beginning my transition, again cutting me off, and finally how I felt now. I explained what had happened in London, work Christmas party and the problems I had at the theatre, the only time he actually listened to the whole story. He started to tell me about the legislation, which I cut him short because I know already. He them asked me to go and see a hair removal specialist. Again I cut him short because he was beginning to irritate me because yet again, he hadn't read my notes. I told him that I had 4 sessions and that there was no noticeable difference. He then quickly commented that the NHS would only pay for 8 sessions before asking me how I felt. I said that I was very unsettled by recent events and that I am now very conscious about my appearance. He then cut me short again and said that he was only interested in gender related issues, that I should see a speech therapist, and that he would be writing to my GP to get me referred to a psychiatrist and speech therapist. I noticed that his notes about me, my life, thoughts, feelings, medication and recommendations were confined to less than a quarter page of A4. I had a few documents with me, including my Deed Poll, which I passed onto the receptionist to get my details changed, another place crossed off my list.

The following day I had my first quarterly injection. Everything looked the same, but unlike the lower dosage, one week on I can still feel where the needle has been and there is a small bump on my skin which is a little tender. No other side-effects.

The 23rd is when I was due to have my 5th electrolysis session but just as I was leaving I got a phone call from my partner. She had been in a car accident, hit by on oncoming earth-moving truck that hadn't stopped. She was OK but badly shaken. My 14 year old silver Peugeot 206 car was a write-off.

Christmas eve, we set out the presents to unwrap the next morning I saw one that had no name, except for who had sent it. It turned out to be by step-daughter, who is having a hard time accepting my new identity. Not only will she not say my name, but she couldn't bring herself to write it either.

Christmas Day, I woke up in tears and couldn't stop crying until mid-day but it didn't take much to set me off again. She went to see her daughter's family and I said that I would like to come with her. 'Dress-down a bit' I was told, 'don't wear anything...' I know what she meant, shapeless, androgynous clothing that would 'cover things up'. The tears came back and I took myself to bed at 3pm. My partner told me later that I had spoilt the day for her.

Boxing Day I went to a family party. My partner had done my hair and I was wearing more shapely clothing. My step-daughter and her daughter were also there and after a bottle of wine and half a bottle of Disaronno I sat with my step-daughter and we began to talk to each other. Tears, hugs and two very drunk people later we had made some progress. Everyone at the party called my Holly.

28th I found out that I had been scammed and had 200 pounds taken from my bank account. Be VERY careful about getting sample products from websites because their 'samples' can suddenly become expensive re-occurring orders at extortionately high cost. The bank has blocked any future payment requests.

The first thing that you're advised to do when you transition is to set up a support network of people and safe places to help you through. In just one month my support network has been shattered sending my mind into free-fall. I'm questioning whether I really know some of the people I 'thought' I knew, whether my 'safe places' are just an illusion and whether I will ever be truly 'accepted'. All my facial IPL and electrolysis treatment has failed. ALL treated areas have grown back and new dark areas have appeared that were never even there to begin with, body hair in some areas has started to grow again and my voice is cracked and broken. December has been horrible month and I look to next year with trepidation rather than excitement, not knowing when or where the next punch will be heading in my direction.

I did manage to get another car, a 15 year old silver Peugeot 206.
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Michelle_P

Holly, I was so sad to see all of this.  That theater response to you was just horrible, throwing you under the bus to placate some transphobic parents.   That doctor sounds like the very definition of a gatekeeper, there to make sure all the boxes are properly checked, and the forms are all correct, no concern for the human being sitting there in front of him. 

The holidays are hard.  I was accused of 'ruining' a family event last summer, although the only person who was upset was my (ex)partner who thought I had violated one of her myriad of mandates.  Finding real, accepting support seems so hard.  I was constantly surprised at how fragile I felt when I was starting transition and just coming out, after spending so many years being the stoic manly man.  I don't know how I would have made it without my therapist and support group.

You've at least got the folks at Susan's Place, not much I know, but you can at least vent here and get a sympathetic ear.  Don't let the darkness drag you down.  Things WILL get better over time.

I really hope you and your step-daughter can find an ongoing connection.  Look at how well that party went, correctly named, and talking with your step-daughter.  There's hope. 

There is always hope.


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Lisa55

Oh Holly such a traumatic month.

I knew from FB something had happened in your theatre group, but didn't like to pry, but that is truly awful and so badly handled, it sounds very much like ignorance on the part of the committee on how to handle the matter, but that doesn't make it hurt any the less and whilst we must be strong and stand up for ourselves, some times it can just be to much ask of us and we have to retreat to protect ourselves.  I hope they reach out to you again or that you can find it in yourself to contact them with some info on how it should have been handled.  Maybe the LGBT guys at your work could provide some literature you could send them,  if all else fails there are some government guides i could find and post which may help with education.

The end of the day though you have to protect yourself, we can be so venerable especially as our hormones are playing up, so there is no shame in walking away if that's the best for you for now.

Your Dr K comments don't seem foreign to me, I think i had a better experience than you but I defiantly see where your experience comes from, I just re-read my post from my 2nd appointment and I could have prepared you better in hindsight, maybe at the time i thought it was just me and time being short, but there was similar shortness in my appointment, When i gave him my deed poll and showed him i had credit card statements and utility bill's to support the change, he took them to make a copy at which I protested they had personal banking details on them, something he paid no heed to and carried on to run them through the copier whilst i tried to read the HRT consent form before i signed it. He returned as I had read the signature side and put my x on the spot when i realised it had two sides, as i tried to read the first page before handing it over I was told it was a bit academic as i was already on HRT anyway and he took it off me. To this day I'm not 100% sure what that first page said and I consented to!!  There was also no doubt about when my time was up as he held the door open whilst I forced in a couple more questions.

TBH though I have spent a bit of time around busy specialist Dr's over the past few years and Dr K is not our of the norm and i don't think he means ill, its just a contrast to the few like DR T who cant stop talking even when bouncing off the walls.

Well i have my third appointment in Jan with Dr Vaidya, no idea what I am in for with them.

Oh and family and Christmas,  It sounds, like me, you had high hopes for your first Christmas as you, but the reality did not live up to expectations.  I didn't have such a torrid time as you but there were definite lows where i had hoped for highs, and it all erodes that one thing i am desperately holding onto, hope.   There are signs of progress though for you with your step daughter, so just hold onto this quote from your post


Quote from: Holly2016 on December 29, 2016, 08:46:21 AM
December 2016 catch-up:

after a bottle of wine and half a bottle of Disaronno I sat with my step-daughter and we began to talk to each other. Tears, hugs and two very drunk people later we had made some progress. Everyone at the party called my Holly.


Stay safe and do what you have to do to protect yourself and remember, it is often the love they have for you that makes it hard for some family. but they do still love you even if they have a funny way of showing it at times.

Its the end of 2016 which has been a big year for us and looking back we have all come so far.  When i have a bad time and doubts creep in which is not uncommon, I now think back to the end of 2015 when i made that GP appointment.  The ->-bleeped-<- stuff now is nothing compared to what i was doing to myself in my head back then.  So whilst it seems awful and too hard at times, as i cry myself to sleep with hope seeming like a memory, those 2015 memories come back and remind me where I have been before and some hope returns.   Today i find it hard to see what life will be like when i am done and how i will get there, but back then I couldn't even imagine I would get to where i am today.  So its probably better if i give up thinking about things,  easy eh!!!!

Here's to a Happier new year, and hold on to the hope.

Lisa
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Laura_Ann

Holly and Lisa,

   I think it's Dr K's normal 2nd appointment manor, as I had a very short and direct meeting with him for mine.  I will find out as my next is on the 25th January.

Hope everyone has a nice New Year

Laura xx
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davina61

don't want to but in on your post but having trouble finding UK friends , just went to GP for referral so as live near Malvern possibly Nottingham. Wish I could get some HRT now and I sympathize with the face comments , 61 bald and a blokey build and will never pass but then the face in the mirror is not the one in my head.
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davina61

trying to find information on uk ,peeps to talk to ect, just started my journey to be Davina . looks like a long road ahead.Near Malvern, worcs so don't know best gic to go to.
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Megan.

Hi Davina .  I'm down in Bedfordshire.  The GenderGP service can provide HRT while you wait for the GIC at a cost...

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Lisa55

Hi Davina

I'm down south and drive 2h to Daventry GIC, unless I'm mistaken Northampton is practically on your doorstep so have a read and settle in.

Welcome
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RarityMonk

So sorry you've been through a catalogue of horrible events Holly, but pleased you managed to speak with your step-daughter over Christmas and make a small step in the right direction with her. Sending a virtual <<<hug>>> and you know where I am if there is ever anything I can do (including just being a sounding board if you want to let off steam!!). In the not so positive times remind yourself that you are the Fabulous Holly Fox, and that's how I and others see you.
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Holly2016

Hi Davina,

Welcome to our group. I looked through the forums for experiences with Nottingham GIC and Northampton GIC and found more people liked Northampton GIC (which is actually in Daventry). At that time it also had the shortest waiting list, at 3 months, free parking and was the closest to me. I'm in Warwickshire, so it's just a short trip down the A5.

As Megan said, you could try the GenderGP service https://gendergp.co.uk/ (Dr Webberley). I had some dealings with her (or, at least I thought it was her), which you can read about in one of my early posts.

You are certainly much further forward than I was when I told my partner. I still wore male clothes for 6 months after that, even at home and gradually changed the way I dressed and presented over 9 months to get everyone used to the new me. Losing weight is helping with my appearance. Just over 12 months ago I was 16.5 stone and at 5' 6" I just looked like a blob. I managed to lose 3 stone on my own and joined Slimming World a couple of months ago to help me get down to my target weight of 10 stone.

At work I'm helping to support a 64 year old MtF, who came out last year. Sadly, it was only when her wife died that she was finally able to start on her journey.

Holly x
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Holly2016

Here is an extract from a feature published in The Times newspaper yesterday. The interview actually took place over the phone on 13th September 2016 and was only meant to be part of an internal company blog.

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Megan.

Very interesting,  thank you Holly.  I'm working towards a similar effort as part of the LGBT network at my own employer (also a large multinational).

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davina61

so how long do you think I will have to wait before GIC get in touch,3 weeks and nowt yet. I know it will be 2 years min before full transition and cant wait that long.
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Holly2016

Hi Davina,

In my experience, the GIC took 6 weeks to send out a letter confirming that they had received my referral and 'officially' 11 months before I got my first appointment. If you've read some of my past posts you'll see that I wasn't prepared to wait and when I joined this forum I had already been looking after myself for a couple of months, having put in a 2 solid weeks of research about the drugs, dosage, effects, dangers, side effects, warning signs and how to understand the basics of my bloodwork before I started any form of medication.

I kept sending emails to the GIC with my medical details and blood test results, discussing dosage, its effects and what I was trying to achieve. The amount of detail and analysis I put in seemed to catch the attention of Dr Timmins and he phoned me at work in June; that I suppose was my first official, but unofficial appointment. A week or so later he called me again and asked me if I could get to the GIC that day as he had a cancellation.

I would suggest going down the Dr Webberley route. You would at least start hormone treatment in about a month and would have someone overseeing you until you get to the GIC.

While it is possible to achieve full transition in 2 years, it is very, very unlikely. Sadly as you get older the hormones have much less of an effect and work much more slowly. At 46, it will take me around 2 to 3 years for me to look reasonable and up to 10 years to see the final result. Sadly my genetics are fighting me every step of the way and it's likely I will have to find £15,000 for facial surgery, but you my get lucky. You will only be considered for GRS after living and working as a female for 2 years (not the date you first taking hormones). The start date is determined by the GIC, but if you have been living full time prior to any appointment then this will be taken into account. In exceptional circumstances the 'Real Life Experience' may be shortened to 1 year.
So, you've done your RLE and you're ready for GRS. You will have attend a special appointment at the GIC, where 2 psychiatrists and up to 2 medical gender specialists will be present. They will discuss your medical and your mental fitness with you in depth. All being well you will get their approval and move onto a waiting list for GRS. The waiting list is around 12 months. Exactly what happens from that moment onwards is still a little fuzzy at the moment as I've not spent a great deal of time looking into it, but you will at some point meet the surgeon who will perform your GRS to discuss options, your expectations, what can realistically be achieved, and aftercare. It's likely this will be at Charring Cross, London. The one thing that does put the fear of God into me is the rectal prostate examination that will happen at this time. The less said about that the better.

Holly x
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Lisa55

Hi Davina

As Holly said, I too got a confirmation letter sometime around the six week mark, phoned them up a few times after that as back in those days they were saying thinks like 18 weeks to see them, but each time I wasn't getting any closer.  That's when I went with Dr W and also on the basis I was at a point I would not have taken no for an answer WRT HRT so what did I have to loose.  So I put my stake in the ground and paid Dr W and the next day answered the phone to an unknown number.  A week later I was sitting in my first appointment due to an extra clinic being run at short notice,  for four of us who 1) answered their phone and 2) dropped everting to be there. (not a lot in my case lol)


Anyway, its already the end of Jan so a quick update from me.  Been a busy month so far,  I have my frequent flyer gold card at the GP and they know me by name as soon as I walk through the door and even if I phone them up lol.  Combination of pro strap injections, Blood tests and getting fresh prescriptions, Plus I asked them to update/create my new NHS record, so there has been some back and forth for that too.

I also had my third GIC appointment,  Not sure what to say about that, mainly because there was not a lot too it, but give me a second and I'll climb on my soap box and have a moan about the 6.5 hour round trip for 15min of Dr time.  10 min that was spent deciding that because my E is 301 pmol/L and they want 300-600, so its good enough, no explanation why its fallen from 580 before the prostap, but just an, it varies, go away and have another test in 8 weeks after being on the 3 month prostap for a while.  GRRRRR

It really was just a "Hi your still coming back, so I suppose we better look at the blood results and check your not dead already"   I had a few questions of my own which dragged out another few minutes, that's not to say I got any answers and was just asked to email my questions in.

On a more positive note, I got myself motivated to sort out some voice therapy, and in a last ditch search before the GIC and my GP sent me for the local hospital clinic to have a go I found a voice coach locally with experience of feminisation.  So I have been seeing her once a week since the start of the month.  Its slow going with exercises to build muscle and breath support, but I'm doing well and cracking through the exercises so fingers crossed I'm on my way.

All in all, looking back I seem to be Full time since October and I did manage to convince the GIC of that via some questionable questions so hopefully my countdown clock is ticking so something good did come of it!

Personally I feel I'm a bit behind on where i want to be by now but cant speed up how my body reacts i suppose and the time taken to find and sort voice has put me a bit behind.  I have had a bit of a set back with facial hair too,  I was on an enforced break from the laser due to my vacation, but when i went to start again I found my clinic had been sold off to another chain,  So with the 4th price hike (300%) in a year it was too far and I haven't been back.  With Xmas and starting voice my face got pushed to the back burner, but it's starting to bug me again now with regrowth so I am going to have to bite the bullet and figure out how to fit Electrolysis in.

Oh well that pretty much sums up my transition news, Chuck in starting IVF with my partner and its been a bit busy, oh what a wild roller coaster this is,  Fortunately the emotional ups and downs seem to be smoothing out but time will tell if that lasts.
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davina61

thanks for replies, not had good internet so sorry for late post. moved into flat so when dave comes home Davina will cook ect Plan to come out proper October after Racing seasons finishes so 6+ months on HRT might help.
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davina61

so things not looking good for appointment times , looks like years just to get first one. Will push my GP for HRT .
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rikki.1969

I've got appointment number 3 at Daventry on Wednesday - this time with Dr. Khoosal.
The 1st was with Mel Wiseman-Lee and the 2nd with Dr,Timmins.
Stlll no hormones!
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davina61

Had a blood test for liver function and not had chance to get back to GP but if OK looks like I should get HRT.
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