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What's in a name?

Started by AlyssaJ, March 06, 2017, 08:18:11 AM

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AlyssaJ

I'm deciding what to do about my name. Since setting myself on the path to transition, this is one of those logistical things that's come up in my mind that I have to think about.  Lisa is a name I need to jettison. It's one I've used for years for anonymity when on the internet but it's roots for me go back to a time when I was still in denial and considered myself a crossdressing fetishist. The full name was Sissy Lisa.  I really want to put those days behind me because when I look back on them, that was a horrible time in my life.

I've begun thinking about a new name but I've had a few people ask me why I don't take on the feminine form of my current given name. My given name is one of those where a single letter change moves it from traditionally male to traditionally female. I have mixed feelings on this and I'm looking for your help.  I've made the following list of pros for feminizing my given name versus those of choosing a whole new name.  I'm not looking for help making the decision, but are there any advantages to one or the other you can think of that I didn't include?

Pros of Feminizing Given Name:

  • Would make it easier for people to remember
  • It would be harder for people to intentionally call me by the wrong name in conversation (i.e. people calling Caitlyn Jenner, Bruce just to be a-holes)
  • Softens the blow for family members, friends, co-workers as they adjust to my transition
  • Legal name change would be less critical (save money, hassle and possible political struggle)
  • Could make it easier to deal with past records searches (Job history, legal stuff, etc.)

Pros of Choosing a new name:

  • Allows me to pick a name that I like being called that maybe has some personal meaning
  • Provides a clean break from the male act I've been putting on
  • Makes a clear for when I've transitioned
  • Provides a certain to degree of anonymity from people who aren't aware of my transition
  • Let's my live to distinct persona's while I transition before going full-time
  • Would eliminate the confusion of what gender am I (no "it's Pat" scenarios)
"I want to put myself out there, I want to make connections, I want to learn and if someone can get something out of my experience, I'm OK with that, too." - Laura Jane Grace

What's it like to transition at mid-life?  http://transitionat40.com/



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Daniellekai

Using a feminized version of your given name is (usually) the name you would have received had you been AFAB in the first place, it also doesn't have any "tells". Selecting a unique name might cause you to stand out in a way. That was my reasoning. Besides I always thought Danielle was a pretty name anyway, still might pick a new one, have to see how I feel about it while transitioning if I can ever get ahold of transgender services... Might have to pick a different group, but this one seemed best around here...


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AllisonFS

I am not in any sort of position to tell anyone how to live their life through this journey. In fact, every time I post something here (I'm still really new here) I feel like a little league baseball player trying to give advice to Hank Aaron! But the things I DO know are #1- It is solely going to be your decision. Sure, get advice from others. But remember that what worked (or didn't work) for them may be different from you. #2- Make the decision that YOU can live with. This will become who you are and if there is any thought that you may not like a name, don't go with it! You're going to hear that name for the rest of your life. #3-It is YOUR choice and decision and therefore there is no wrong choice. You do whatever is right for YOU!
Allison
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KathyLauren

There actually is a feminized version of my male name, which surprised me, but I didn't like it.  I went with one that begins with the same letter and sounds a bit similar.  I thought about other, totally different, names, but none of them sounded like me.  I realized that part of my identity is in my name and I didn't want to lose that totally.  I also wanted a name that was age-appropriate for my generation, that wouldn't alert people instantly that it was a chosen name.

One advantage of a feminine version of your male name, or a name that sounds similar, is that someone who accidentally dead names you can correct themselves and switch to the right name in mid-word without stumbling.  My wife has done that.  I caught it, but no one else did.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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ainsley

I, too, had a feminine name I used on the internet that i jettisoned when I transitioned.  My wife hated it, anyway. ;)

I chose not to try and feminize my deadname, nor the alternative feminine name to it.  I avoid things that are stereotypical with trans* for some reason.  Probably because it makes people evaluate me for who I am, not how I fit the trans* mold they have conceived in their minds.  Anyhoo, I chose a new name and did the choosing with my best friend/wife.  She gave me perspective while choosing, and I really wanted my deadname buried. 

No matter what name you choose to change yours to, the legal ramifications are the same:  You still have to go through the rigmarole of the legal name change entirely.  It is a total blast...really.  ./sarcasmOff

People will still call you by the wrong name, too, if they are just A-Holes.  My sister is a prime example.  She does it to be a Capital B.  Period.  Would not matter what I changed it to.  (I just call her by her previous married name...I can be a Capital B, too.)

You'll be surprised how easy the new name becomes fluent in your mind once you make the change. :)

Some people say I'm apathetic, but I don't care.

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AlyssaJ

So this gives me some more perspective and I sense we've moved beyond just simple advantages of each approach.  I'm going to do something here that I've never done before and share my given name.  Because as we continue to discuss I think the context is important.

So at birth I was named Anthony, I go by Tony.  Obviously it would be really easy to simply go by Toni, but some good points were brought up here that I need to expand on.  First, picking a name that isn't a standout and is age appropriate.  There aren't many women named Toni, it's a rarity.  So I guess I see that being a negative of keeping it is that it might stand out a bit. 

Someone else brought up the idea that I might have been named with the feminine version had I been born with female genetalia.  I don't think that's the case, but now I do at least want to ask my mother what there plan was if they had one, had the doctor said it's a girl.

As I said, I'm really looking for help making the decision but help identifying the logistical advantages of each.  Ultimately, as Allison mentioned, this will be my decision.  My mother has already asked to have input on it and I've kind of pushed back. I think for me I'm really looking for that clean line of delineation between the male shell and my female reality. But I want to make sure I've fully considered everything. So I appreciate y'all weighing in.  If I do change my name, it's important to me that it has meaning to me.  I've already begun a list and I have one that I really like which has a strong meaning to me and also would allow me to keep my same initials.  A small and ultimately insignificant yet still present connection to the first 39 years of my life. 
"I want to put myself out there, I want to make connections, I want to learn and if someone can get something out of my experience, I'm OK with that, too." - Laura Jane Grace

What's it like to transition at mid-life?  http://transitionat40.com/



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Angela Drakken

My name was so masculine it was VILE.. I feminized the first easily enough. My middle name, the one I primarily use, wasn't as easy. Took a while to come up with something that suits me, is pleasant sounding to me, since I'll be hearing it for the rest of my life, and wasn't so completely drastically, different sounding, that people can't adjust.

Most people at work refer to me by last name only. I can't see them needing much 'coaching.' (In this regard anyways.)

In my personal and social endeavors anyone refusing to use the new name it's going to be very situational, people make slip ups all the time. My mother, would regularly call us by each others (my brother and mines) name or even the dogs name.. it happens. (My brother was born an 'Erin' he's been teased his whole life for having a 'feminine' name even though it's actually just a gaelic/celtic spelling.)

That said, it's pretty easy to tell when someones being a jerk. However I'm known for my 'legendary patience..'
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staciM

My birth name is androgynous and could have easily been used.  Actually, my brother asked me why I didn't keep using it as it would have been "easier" for him to continue calling what he's always used.....and that's exactly why I didn't.  For me, it's a validation of sort, that family and friends are accepting my new outward gender and they are addressing me appropriately, not "just" falling into old habits.  Similarly, it helps my mental state having a new name that isn't attached to my miserable male life.

However, the nice thing about having an androgynous birth name is that it could avoid embarrassing situations in public places (that haven't properly changed documentation), once I do socially transition. For instance, I would hate to be fully transitioned and get called as "Frank/Dave/Phil" in a full waiting room :)
- Staci -
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RobynD

I feminized my given name largely because i liked it and every Robyn I knew, i had great memories/impressions of. Otherwise i would have chosen a completely different one.


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Rachel_Christina

I feminised my First name Christopher to Christine. I did this as it was my father who gave me the name.
Rachel is my great grannys name and would have been my name had I been born female and my mother allowed to choose.
My father has so far took my transition terribly. And If he keeps going the way he does I will use Rachel as my first name. I really love this name. And I seen a sparkle in my mothers eye when I told her I used Rachel as part of my name. Makes me wanna cry :'(


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Angela Drakken

Quote from: ChristineRachel on March 06, 2017, 12:03:41 PM
I feminised my First name Christopher to Christine. I did this as it was my father who gave me the name.
Rachel is my great grannys name and would have been my name had I been born female and my mother allowed to choose.
My father has so far took my transition terribly. And If he keeps going the way he does I will use Rachel as my first name. I really love this name. And I seen a sparkle in my mothers eye when I told her I used Rachel as part of my name. Makes me wanna cry :'(

I dont know if I'm lucky or not to be without my parents in my life. Your mother sounds sweet, she really does.  :icon_cry:

If my mother was given her way, I'd be a 'Marie' which suits me about as well as my assigned gender at birth..
Some desire to name all of the children after those who came before in some way, typical fear of death/being forgotten stuff.

I like being Robin Angela (Surname)

I like not needing their permission more.
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AlyssaJ

Quote from: staciM on March 06, 2017, 11:33:52 AM
My birth name is androgynous and could have easily been used.  Actually, my brother asked me why I didn't keep using it as it would have been "easier" for him to continue calling what he's always used.....and that's exactly why I didn't.  For me, it's a validation of sort, that family and friends are accepting my new outward gender and they are addressing me appropriately, not "just" falling into old habits.  Similarly, it helps my mental state having a new name that isn't attached to my miserable male life.

This pretty well sums up my feelings too on why I think I'll probably go with a full fledged change. Not that I'm having problems with friends or family so far but it is validation.  I think it also reinforces the concept for them that I am a woman, they need to start thinking of me that way.  Hopefully help them let go a bit of the old male image they have of me.
"I want to put myself out there, I want to make connections, I want to learn and if someone can get something out of my experience, I'm OK with that, too." - Laura Jane Grace

What's it like to transition at mid-life?  http://transitionat40.com/



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maksim

I'm FTM, but I thought I'd drop my experience here, too!

My birth name (Madison) was originally seen as masculine way back when, then as time moved on it was androgynous, and now it's traditionally feminine, though there are still some guys with the name.
I spent about two years as a young teenager trying to choose a name, and a lot of the ones I wanted to change to were REALLY unique, and I'd never even heard of anyone with those names. Since I was just a youngun though, I really WANTED to be unique ::)
However, around the time my parents allowed me to socially transition, I had decided on a new name. Maksim, but I only go by Max. Max is pronounced similarly to the first syllable of Madison, and I mainly decided on Max in order to go easy on my friends and family.
Of course, Maksim is a really unique name as well, but I chose it to stick with my Russian roots, though I won't really be using it :P
My dad was frustrated with me going by Max at first (he often told me about how it was a dog's name), but as time has moved forward and my parents and grandparents have gotten used to my name change, it's really not a big deal anymore. My mom was always supportive of it.
My dad still mentions now and then about how he wanted a son named Nikolas, so I decided to use that as my middle name!
So basically, a lot of my name change was catered to how my friends and family members felt about it, though I ended up with a name I really like.

However, this is just my experience, and I definitely got lucky on the family front with how supportive they are of me and my transition. I definitely see the pros in a fresh start with your name, as well as just feminizing your birth name.
I personally don't believe that a transition should be completely catered to others, as this is about you being who you are. But there's no harm in considering other's feelings about it! In fact, talking with your loved ones about their feelings on it while still staying firm about your identity can possibly help them accept it easier.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that there's no harm in asking others how they feel, but it's your decision alone on how you want to change your name.
I wish you luck in your decision. :)


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Kylo

I considered changing my surname because I'm sick of spelling it out letter by letter for anyone on the phone or in a doctor's office etc. My entire life I've been spelling it out for people who think it's something else when they hear it.

Something to consider in your choices, if it's a slightly unusual name you might be spending a lot of time telling people how to spell it. If you don't want that, maybe go for something more familiar/conventional.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Devlyn

My name is fairly unusual. I spend a lot of time telling people "Thank you" after they compliment me on it.   :) Go with what you like.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Angela Drakken

Quote from: Kylo on March 06, 2017, 02:08:46 PM
I considered changing my surname because I'm sick of spelling it out letter by letter for anyone on the phone or in a doctor's office etc. My entire life I've been spelling it out for people who think it's something else when they hear it.

Something to consider in your choices, if it's a slightly unusual name you might be spending a lot of time telling people how to spell it. If you don't want that, maybe go for something more familiar/conventional.

I thought about dropping my surname also, but as it stands, I'm still on good terms with my brother, and as siblings I'd like to keep the name for that reason. I don't think it's that much of a mouthful, but It's also a pretty common English last name with interesting history behind it.
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Kylo

Quote from: Angela Drakken on March 06, 2017, 02:42:21 PM
a pretty common English last name with interesting history behind it.

Mine's a medium rare English name, except with all the accents we have over here people think I'm saying something completely different and I still end up having to spell the damn thing.

The only person with this surname in the fam I'd actually wanna keep it for would be my late grandfather. Everyone else is awful/would be offended it was changed, which was why I considered it.  ;D
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Angela Drakken

Quote from: Kylo on March 06, 2017, 03:22:09 PM
Mine's a medium rare English name, except with all the accents we have over here people think I'm saying something completely different and I still end up having to spell the damn thing.

The only person with this surname in the fam I'd actually wanna keep it for would be my late grandfather. Everyone else is awful/would be offended it was changed, which was why I considered it.  ;D

I'll tell you mine, if you tell me yours XP

LOL The English/British common wealth are BRUTAL for their regional dialects and accents.. Moving one town over can be like being in a foreign country. (Cockneys/Pikeys/Gypsies..) Even our relatives in South Africa, it gets pretty outrageous.. Neat though ^.^

I have(had) a friend a while back who changed his surname, simply to honor his grandfather, who had a different surname than he had.
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RachelH

Another consideration is to pick an age appropriate name.  There are several website where you can look up the top names the year you were born.  For example, I was born in the mid 60s so I wouldn't want to choose something like Madison or Ashley, which are both very pretty but not names given in the 60s.  While I am not sure I will keep Paula (my wife says I not a Paula) I will choose something age appropriate but also fits my personality.
Best of luck!!
Paula (for now at least... ;D)
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AlyssaJ

I definitely won't be changing my surname.  I know a few TS's who've done that because their families disowned them or kicked them out or whatever.  My family is spectacular so I think changing surnames would be a slap in the face and I see no reason to distance myself from my family anyway.

I am looking at age appropriate names.  The one that seems to be winning out right now is Alyssa.  The etymology of the name has to do with a plant that was believed to prevent insanity, much the same way that allowing myself to be Alyssa will prevent my own insanity. Looking at the usage of the name it's been pretty steady going back to the time I was born and beyond.  Hell Alyssa Milano is a few years older than me so that kind of covers it there :)  I haven't made any decision yet but that's where I'm leaning right now.  You folks here will actually be some of the first ones to know, when I do decide.
"I want to put myself out there, I want to make connections, I want to learn and if someone can get something out of my experience, I'm OK with that, too." - Laura Jane Grace

What's it like to transition at mid-life?  http://transitionat40.com/



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