It's good to see you are up for some discussion. 
Yes, I have a more than average understanding of SS.   All the money you have contributed to SS over the years are usually distributed to you within a few years(5 -10) of retirement.  After that we are dependent on the working class to support us.  There are many problems with the SS system but it has worked well for over 70+ years and as long as we have a robust economy with a large work force making a living it works.   Yes, your money is held in trust and it would be nice if the money that Congress took from SS was returned.  It was looted to balance the budget and not raise taxes on the rich.  So it is delayed socialism.
And we are cousins too.  Brewster is one of the known relative of mine also.  The hard part to verification is to nail it down for the hootie-snooties at the Mayflower Society.

You are right and incorrect at the same time.  While the feds have required some individual responsibility for vehicle owners, it is indirect.   It ties fed dollars for state DOT projects to state requirements for insurance.  Kind of a left-right compromise.  Follow link for more info.
https://usinsuranceagents.com/answers/2493/federal-government-require-drivers-carry-insurance-coverage
From the explainer.  "The only connection that the federal government has to car insurance is that it limits the amount of federal highway assistance provided to states that do require insurance under state law. While this is not a direct requirement for people to have insurance, the funds provided for highway projects is a tremendous incentive that most of the states have chosen to accept."
To equate everyone's health care insurance to the trucking industry is bit of a stretch.  While we all need trucking, in the long run we need heath care coverage more.  And it should not be  choice or to me even a part of the discussion.  Besides, have you been to a large truck stop lately and seen all the truckers hanging out because of federal mandated rest requirements.  They have logged their maximum hours and have to take  break.  That is very socialist, big government, inefficient and a detriment to a free economy.  On the other hand, the drivers are more alert and get in less accidents while their loads sit in a truck stop.  We seemed to have adjusted to 12 hours late tomatoes somehow.
While I will embrace that I am a progressive I don't see it as a pejorative or a negative thing.  I am a progressive that wants to see all the citizens of my nation to enjoy the fruits of their labors and have a bright future for themselves and their family.  And not be under the thumb or a minimum wage slave to their corporate masters.  It is not that I want to steal the rich folks money.  It is to level the playing field and control corporate greed run amuck to benefit the greater good.

Quote from: JulieOnHerWay on June 08, 2017, 02:14:45 AM
It's good to see you are up for some discussion. 
Yes, I have a more than average understanding of SS.   All the money you have contributed to SS over the years are usually distributed to you within a few years(5 -10) of retirement.  After that we are dependent on the working class to support us.  There are many problems with the SS system but it has worked well for over 70+ years and as long as we have a robust economy with a large work force making a living it works.   Yes, your money is held in trust and it would be nice if the money that Congress took from SS was returned.  It was looted to balance the budget and not raise taxes on the rich.  So it is delayed socialism.
And we are cousins too.  Brewster is one of the known relative of mine also.  The hard part to verification is to nail it down for the hootie-snooties at the Mayflower Society.

If I wanted to be apart if the mayflower society I wouldn't have any problems,my great grandpa was direct decedent of the Brewster family,my great grandma was direct decedant to Miles Standish. My great grandpa was born in 1865 and lived to be a 102 when he died in 1967 when I was 2. My dad's side we don't know much of outside of being Irish Cherokee and related to Jesse and Frank James. Those two brothers did alot to fight corporate greed and gave what they stole to the farmers in need in Missouri which made alot if wealthy people upset.

QuoteOnce appon a time Germany banned citizens from owning guns we seen how that turned out,Russia, China,Venezuela all the same,Europe is falling to Islam because of gun bans. The USA is a safe place in areas where there is no gun bans,look at florids,Oklahoma, Texas,and other states that allow open of concealed carry th I see places are safe to live in for those states along with a few others respect the citizens, where there is gun  bans the violence goes up. 

In Canda, guns are not banned.  However, we do things that lead to responsible gun ownership.  For example, before I bought that rifle, I took a gun safety course.  How many Americans have done that?  Carry permits, for handguns, are hard to come by and required a thorough background check.  Compare that to the Newton school shooting a few years back.  The guy that did that was known to be psychotic.  Yet despite that, his mother thought it would be a good idea for him to have access to guns.  Well, she was his first victim.  Just the other day, I heard about a 3 year old, who shot a 2 YO.  How is that responsible gun ownership, when pre-schoolers can grab a gun?  What about those stand your ground laws, where claiming you felt threatened can get you off for murder.  You may recall that guy in Florida, a couple of years back, who actually pursued the guy he killed, even after being told by police to stop following him.  Yeah, that guy was seriously "threatened".   Why does Chicago have such a high murder rate, if guns save lives?  Think maybe those people are being murdered as a result of guns being so handy?

QuoteI know there are many that would jump for joy if all guns were made to be illegal. Of course, they do not take into consideration the need to hunt in order to control animal populations. Not everyone lives in cites, nor wants to.

I have never advocated banning guns and in I used to own one.  What I have a problem with are the gun happy idiots, who think that more guns will solve problems.  While people may have a right to own a gun, they seem to forget that with rights come  responsibilities, such as not leaving guns wear kids can get them or knowing what you're shooting at, before pulling the trigger.

Also, let's not forget that the 2nd amendment dates back to the times when the U.S. did not have much of a military and relied on militias.  Back then, the guns were also muzzle loaders, which tended to be inaccurate and slow loading.  There is absolutely no justification for a civilian to have an functioning assault rifle.  There is no legitimate use for it.
Don't forget some of the activities of the "protection from the government" types, such as Waco, Oklahoma City and many more.

QuoteIt is simple.
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It has always astounded me that to get good health insurance you have to probably compromise somewhere else in your employment.  i.e. wages.

Or not facing bankruptcy due to medical expenses.

One thing a lot of people forget is things cost money.  One way or another they have to be paid for, either directly, through insurance or taxes.  There is no escaping that fact.  Now here, health care is covered through taxes.  I don't have to worry about which insurance company covers what.  It's just available to all.  However, one thing that's abundantly clear is the U.S. system is severely broken and it was long before Obama became president.  It has the highest cost, yet fails to provide health care to so many.  In Ontario, you're covered if you're still breathing.  Is it perfect here?  No, there are things that can be improved, but I never have to worry about having the money to go see a doctor or stay in a hospital.

The Germany banned guns thing is frequently brought up in gun control arguments. Its not true and in fact in 1938 they made it easier to own and register guns, unless you were Jewish:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/

To summarize.

1. Gun sales and registration were banned after World War 1 (likely because they thought they would be used against occupying troops)
2. A 1928 gun law reversed most of this and people could buy and register guns again
3. Nevertheless, much of the population retained guns all through the ban. WW1 Veterans simply walked home with their Government issued rifles.
4. In 1933 the Nazis came to power
5. In 1938 the Hitler Government further expanded and relaxed gun laws

Please check the information we use in debates and let's do our best to keep history as accurate as we can.

Quote from: AnneK on June 08, 2017, 11:14:33 AM
In Canda, guns are not banned.  However, we do things that lead to responsible gun ownership.  For example, before I bought that rifle, I took a gun safety course.  How many Americans have done that?  Carry permits, for handguns, are hard to come by and required a thorough background check.  Compare that to the Newton school shooting a few years back.  The guy that did that was known to be psychotic.  Yet despite that, his mother thought it would be a good idea for him to have access to guns.  Well, she was his first victim.  Just the other day, I heard about a 3 year old, who shot a 2 YO.  How is that responsible gun ownership, when pre-schoolers can grab a gun?  What about those stand your ground laws, where claiming you felt threatened can get you off for murder.  You may recall that guy in Florida, a couple of years back, who actually pursued the guy he killed, even after being told by police to stop following him.  Yeah, that guy was seriously "threatened".   Why does Chicago have such a high murder rate, if guns save lives?  Think maybe those people are being murdered as a result of guns being so handy?

Well In Texas to have a permit to carry you have to take a weapon safety course,its.mandatory. Chicago is a result of gun bans that affect the citizens not the bad guys,see the bad guys will always have access to weapons thanks to the CIA. When I was little if I touched a weapon without permission I got my ass beat,in Texas  we try too teach our young to respect the weapon and also teach em how too shoot. Gun ownership comes with responsibility that most tend to forget.

Hate to break the myth that muzzle loaders were slow loading the applachian men could load one very fast,and most men could also,those men could load one so fast your head would spin,I've loaded a muzzle loader pistol and did it in 10 sec.  If your going to try and make a statement about past gun ownership you need to know your history,for I know it very well for that was my main area of study the founding and keeping this country from the hands of foreign bankers,they financed 3 wars and lost,backed the south and lost,so they went after the.pockets of northern politicians instead,took em a 100 yrs but they finally control our country through fiat currency.

See in the USA gun ownership is not just a right,but it's also to protect us,for when the bad guys are the only one with guns your toast period. This right makes the USA  safer then any other country out there.  If you don't want to own a weapon that's your right,just don't try and take that right away.from me. That's the problem with progressives they want to infringe on the rights of another individual and force their agenda down our throats when we don't want nothing to do with it. If you want to be progressive do it around other progressives and leave the majority of us alone,y'all have California, NYC, Oregon, Washington,we have the rest of the country and that's what makes the international bankers p.o.'d.

Like I said I have had family here 100 yrs before their was a USA and they escaped from tyranny for freedom.

QuoteThis right makes the USA  safer then any other country out there.

Yep, that's why the murder rate is so high.  That's why you have kids shooting kids.  That's why you had Sandyhook.


One other things, many of the guns used in crime in Canada were smuggled in from the U.S., where it's all too easy for people to even buy multiple guns.

Quote from: RobynD on June 08, 2017, 12:36:36 PM
The Germany banned guns thing is frequently brought up in gun control arguments. Its not true and in fact in 1938 they made it easier to own and register guns, unless you were Jewish:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/

To summarize.

1. Gun sales and registration were banned after World War 1 (likely because they thought they would be used against occupying troops)
2. A 1928 gun law reversed most of this and people could buy and register guns again
3. Nevertheless, much of the population retained guns all through the ban. WW1 Veterans simply walked home with their Government issued rifles.
4. In 1933 the Nazis came to power
5. In 1938 the Hitler Government further expanded and relaxed gun laws

Please check the information we use in debates and let's do our best to keep history as accurate as we can.

That's not the history I read,I read German history and Hitler had all weapons checked into the local police stations and when all weapons were out of the hands of the citizens he took supreme power for their was no one to challenge their authority.... I  know my facts,I'm a history buff and studied more history then those who teach it.
I also fact check my sources before posting to make sure my information is correct.
So when I mention Germany I have my facts  from the tons of books I read for we had no Internet back then.

Quote from: AnneK on June 08, 2017, 01:04:24 PM
Yep, that's why the murder rate is so high.  That's why you have kids shooting kids.  That's why you had Sandyhook.

Sandyhook was a hoax, the FBI came out and admitted it was a drill they were running,what's weird is one of the lady's who had her picture took showed up at other shootings. No one was killed that day for the school they were running drills at was closed down and had no students in class there. I read all the information that came out and it was fake news  used to try and ban all weapons and that failed and we no longer here about sandyhook.

Quote from: cheryl reeves on June 08, 2017, 01:04:55 PM

That's not the history I read,I read German history and Hitler had all weapons checked into the local police stations and when all weapons were out of the hands of the citizens he took supreme power for their was no one to challenge their authority.... I  know my facts,I'm a history buff and studied more history then those who teach it.
I also fact check my sources before posting to make sure my information is correct.
So when I mention Germany I have my facts  from the tons of books I read for we had no Internet back then.

Please cite your source.

You might be confused with the Jewish racial laws that restricted gun ownership for them. Indeed by 1938 Jewish people had lost most freedoms in that society. People ask if the jewish population could have mounted some sort of armed resistance. That is pretty unlikely and most of their restrictions were implemented piecemeal over the 30s. By 1938 it would have been wise in hindsight to leave Germany as soon as possible. (Sadly, not enough did or could)

We can have opinions on the facts and their effects on society, but facts are facts.

Quote from: cheryl reeves on June 08, 2017, 01:08:38 PM


Sandyhook was a hoax, the FBI came out and admitted it was a drill they were running,what's weird is one of the lady's who had her picture took showed up at other shootings. No one was killed that day for the school they were running drills at was closed down and had no students in class there. I read all the information that came out and it was fake news  used to try and ban all weapons and that failed and we no longer here about sandyhook.

If we are stooping so low as to call the factual murder of school children a hoax, perhaps it's time for rational people to step away.


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote

Quote from: cheryl reeves on June 08, 2017, 01:08:38 PM


Sandyhook was a hoax, the FBI came out and admitted it was a drill they were running,what's weird is one of the lady's who had her picture took showed up at other shootings. No one was killed that day for the school they were running drills at was closed down and had no students in class there. I read all the information that came out and it was fake news  used to try and ban all weapons and that failed and we no longer here about sandyhook.

oh girl you tried it. First your coded language about Muslims and now the death of children was a hoax? Let me guess Alex Jones taught you that right?  You can have this thread all to your self.

Quote from: Deborah on June 08, 2017, 01:38:27 PM
If we are stooping so low as to call the factual murder of school children a hoax, perhaps it's time for rational people to step away.

I agree 100%.  This nonsense should have been shut down a long time ago.

Sandy hook  hoax was all over the newspapers that's where I got my source on this,there was one woman who was at 3 different shootings that's how this broke loose, it was staged to get congress to make a Australia gun grab and blew up in there faces. Not all news is fact we have found out some news groups stage fake news to push an agenda,it's lIke the propaganda that got Lenin and Hitler into power pull enough on people's heart strings and they give all their freedoms to a govt.

See I pay attention for a reason and that reason is my own,I've known things before they happen which has floored alot of people that know me. I don't play in Alex Jones circles for I know more then he does. My daddy taught me to pay attention to what goes on around me.

911 was staged by the US govt to get people to go along with war in the middle east and Afghanistan  and it worked, I  knew this 20 yrs before it happened and had people come up too me and ask how did I know.

I'm not a novice when it comes to history and our govt.for I've studied others as well and that's how I know alot for history repeats  itself.

So call me what you want,I'm used to it.

Oh my!   And this is the best example of standing up for a political party's true colors? 

Psychic powers?  Really good way to represent for the GOP.

Fascinating revelations!

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I allowed the thread to run as long as it was not insulting or bashing of people, no matter how naive some comments may be.

However it has now gone into delusion and insulting the memory of the dead and I have had enough.

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