Well, now I get to choose between medical help and finshing my contract. I literally just talked to a theripist on the phone the other day. Not sure if I have any kind of confidentiality. This was a messed up move. I can only imagine what its like not haveing a choice if your already  diagnosed. I hope everything works out for everyone.

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Quote from: Jailyn on July 26, 2017, 12:56:13 PM
I just saw this flash on the news!!!! You know this is sick and really not right. We got rid of "don't ask, don't tell". This is really crazy to just say one class of persons can't serve their country because of what generals say!!!

This wasn't because of the Generals.  The Pentagon didn't know anything about it.  This was because of the right wing anti-LGBT groups, otherwise known as Evangelical Christians, who are a major element of his base.



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Quote from: Deborah on July 26, 2017, 01:18:52 PM
This wasn't because of the Generals.  The Pentagon didn't know anything about it.  This was because of the right wing anti-LGBT groups, otherwise known as Evangelical Christians, who are a major element of his base.



Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote

Well that makes sense!!!! I live in the south so yeah I know all about them. They came on my college campus one time spitting out things like "if you are gay or lesbian you are going to hell!!! If you are having sex out of marriage you are going to hell!!!!" They weren't well received as you can imagine on the campus. It very backwards thinking on evangelicals part because we are not going away!!!

Quote from: Jailyn on July 26, 2017, 01:26:26 PM
Well that makes sense!!!! I live in the south so yeah I know all about them. They came on my college campus one time spitting out things like "if you are gay or lesbian you are going to hell!!! If you are having sex out of marriage you are going to hell!!!!" They weren't well received as you can imagine on the campus. It very backwards thinking on evangelicals part because we are not going away!!!

Here is the Pentagon's statement.
http://tinyurl.com/y9tv8vf4


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote

Quote from: Jailyn on July 26, 2017, 01:26:26 PM
Well that makes sense!!!! I live in the south so yeah I know all about them. They came on my college campus one time spitting out things like "if you are gay or lesbian you are going to hell!!! If you are having sex out of marriage you are going to hell!!!!" They weren't well received as you can imagine on the campus. It very backwards thinking on evangelicals part because we are not going away!!!

Perhaps you should have responded "If you support Trump you're going to ..."   

Democratic AND Republican members of Congress are directly speaking out against this Trumpian Travesty.
http://tinyurl.com/ycu2mkoh


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote

Hopefully, a twit post isn't a policy. Maybe it won't result in any actual executive or military order?


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Quote from: elkie-t on July 26, 2017, 03:14:57 PM
Hopefully, a twit post isn't a policy. Maybe it won't result in any actual executive or military order?

Hmmm....   "twit post" could be taken a couple of ways...   

Let's hope it is short-lived and fails legal defense.

Resist this administration every chance you get.

What does this mean for veterans that depend on the VA for healthcare? I'm not a veteran but that would be horrible if it effected that.

I kinda agree on this because the cost of a Transgender is more then a cis person, Transgender just want to join and let the tax payers pay for their hrt and srt. This all boils down to money,money which the govt doesn't really have.  Let me ask this would anyone on this board be willing to pay for my transition without me putting any money into it?  I know I've been classified as a bigot because I see reality.

So I suppose you think I am undeserving of the Military health care that I will receive for the rest of my life.  And yes, one of the reasons I joined and stayed for 20 years was to receive this healthcare.  Is this your reality?

I'll be costing you, the taxpayer, money for the next 40 years for medical care.


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Quote from: cheryl reeves on July 26, 2017, 04:04:43 PM
I kinda agree on this because the cost of a Transgender is more then a cis person, Transgender just want to join and let the tax payers pay for their hrt and srt. This all boils down to money,money which the govt doesn't really have.  Let me ask this would anyone on this board be willing to pay for my transition without me putting any money into it?  I know I've been classified as a bigot because I see reality.

If you put your time in as service to this country, I couldn't care less.  To me it's the same as a soldier that develops cancer from being exposed to chemicals or the such then needing treatment for the cancer.

...or cases where additional training costs offset potential physical dexterity issues - does a firearm have a safety lever on one side or both?  Is that PC mouse or touchpad used for mission-critical tasks designed to be a bit easier for right-handed people?  I know that sounds minor, but at the size and scale of the military it adds up.  My earlier post proposing research to accurately measure the financial cost of being left handed, which can be justified in comparison to the benefits as left-handed people perform just as well as right-handed service members - if they are allowed to be left handed. 

My understanding is the Pentagon recently concluded transgender did not significantly impact the overall cost of operations because this involved a relatively small percentage of people.  And if the percentage grows and is blocked, what are the costs of recruiting from a smaller pool?

You cannot and should not arbitrarily deny healthcare. How is the need for viagra which the military apparently spends $80+ million on, more deserving of spending about $15M on for transgender care? Maybe we don't necessarily need erect male organs for national defense.

Hormones are cheap and do we really think that people will flock to the military in order to get GCS surgery? Suppose that does happen and now the military is spending 3X more on the $15M, so now you are still less cost than one treatment.

To me the argument of "flocking" is akin to the flawed logic that now men are going to dress up as trans women to prey upon people in bathrooms. It is a direct assault on LGTBIQ+ rights plain and simple. A cultural war thing to distract from the other challenges of serving the people and to raise money.

US Navy own study said transgender cost including GCS would be negligible and compared to the cost of building one tomahawk missile (or modern jet fighter)


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I am speechless.

Fortunately, the president of my country does not use Twitter.

barbie~~

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/transgender-troops-voices/index.html

CNN/By Emanuella Griberg and Paul P. Murphy    07/26/2017

Quote from: cheryl reeves on July 26, 2017, 04:04:43 PM
I kinda agree on this because the cost of a Transgender is more then a cis person, Transgender just want to join and let the tax payers pay for their hrt and srt. This all boils down to money,money which the govt doesn't really have.  Let me ask this would anyone on this board be willing to pay for my transition without me putting any money into it?  I know I've been classified as a bigot because I see reality.

Devyl's advocate time. 

If a person presents as transgender and has to go through the full WPATH counseling, psychiatric, endocrinologist, RLE path with a standard military dose of hurry up and wait, the transition would never happen in a four year enlistment. So you're looking at a reenlistment. Do you know a lot of people who would sacrifice all the money they could make in the private sector for eight years to get a "free" surgery that only runs $20K for the finest surgeon? If you do, they're idiots with money. $2126 a month is all a PFC (pay grade E-3) makes a month nowadays. Don't think for a minute that's a forty hour work week either, kids. Therapy next week? Too bad, we're going to the field, you're going to have to reschedule. Surgery next summer? Nope, you're going to the sandbox...again.

Ya, that's a "free" surgery.

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: cheryl reeves on July 26, 2017, 04:04:43 PM
Transgender just want to join and let the tax payers pay for their hrt and srt.

I joined the military over ten years ago for one reason - to take care of my family.  I knew then that I wasn't normal, but I didn't know what it was.  So I liked girly things.  So I wanted people to look at me like I was a girly guy, so what?  But as time went on I knew in my heart what it really was, I just denied it as much as I could so that I could fit in.

I did not join for the reason you stated, and I'm offended that you even said it.

The last time (1995) I read the US Army Regulations, having a sex change (their language) will prohibit any individual from their first enlistment, but there was no similar prohibition for re-enlistment. From the news reports, this new policy will prohibit any transgender service member from any service in the military in any capacity, active or reserve. This is a much more stringent policy than before.