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My Experience with Dr. Bensimon

Started by cheria, October 22, 2017, 11:14:10 PM

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cheria

Hi everyone,

I've frequented this forum over the years but only recently created a profile and shared a bit on an FFS thread.  The following post is directly related to the experience I shared but I wanted it to have a dedicated thread so that I may update accordingly without derailing someone else.

A bit about myself, I am a 36 year old transwoman from central Canada.  I've been on HRT for over 3 years, been full-time for over a year, have SRS scheduled in December, and very recently had FFS.  It's the latter I wish to share about for the sake of writing thoughts down, perhaps get some suggestions from someone on here, and also to serve as an additional review of Dr. Bensimon in Montreal, one that isn't as positive as many others I've read.  This isn't meant to be a criticism of Dr. Bensimon, just another perspective for those interested.

Feminizing from HRT was rather lacklustre so FFS is something that's been on my radar for some time. My face is one of my biggest body trigger areas, I would equate FFS to SRS in terms of importance for me.  So naturally I wanted to find a good surgeon.  I reached out to Thailand and Chicago, got quotes from both, but it really bothered me going to another country for such an immense surgery.  I turned my research towards FFS in Canada and came across Bensimon's name and site. 

I found the FFS photos on his site to be rather unremarkable, certainly not like the photos of results from other sites.  But then who knows what kind of editing was done on those photos, could they really be trusted anymore than pics of models in magazines?  I continued research on Dr. Bensimon but frustratingly didn't find that much.  What I did find however, showed an impressive ratio of positive reviews to negative.  There was the occasional mention of him being conservative but hardly anything overtly negative.  I believe I only found 2 negative reviews, one didn't count because it discussed his office attitude and no actual work performed.  The second review was from a girl who felt her nose was still too big afterward.  Aside from those, reviews were wonderfully positive covering a wide range of services both trans related and not.  Clearly Dr. Bensimon was both versatile and skilled.  I reached out for a quote, which came back more affordable (using that term loosely, as FFS ain't cheap) than the other quotes making a stay in Canada all the more appealing - So, I set up a consult.

Dr. Bensimon and I spoke over Skype and he ran through what he suggested doing to me, showing me the unremarkable photos from his site.  Perhaps he was showing me what he could do to extreme examples?  I'm not really sure and kick myself for not asking because I don't believe there was a single photo that appeared "feminine" (to me) in his entire presentation.  That concerned me but then I remembered all the positive reviews. If his typical work was generating such praise then my concerns are probably unfounded and I shouldn't worry.  It's probably safe to say that other transwomen out there are sensitive about their faces, so if Bensimon's conservative nature was actually a problem surely there would be more reviews mentioning it and/or dissatisfaction.  I started telling people in person that I was considering Montreal for FFS and was surprised to hear that some of them were aware of others who've gone there also for either the same or similar procedures, all of whom were very pleased with their results.  So, more positive reviews...but my gut kept hinting otherwise. 

I eventually went against my gut and booked FFS with Bensimon on September 18/17.  I was...petrified.  Never have I been so scared before a surgery before.  Was it going to help me?  Or would it be disappointing?  Will it be enough?  What if there are complications? My support net around me is wonderful but they had a full-time job keeping my brain in check before the surgery.  I tried to keep my expectations in line also, understanding this likely wasn't going to be some miraculous change.  But given what I've seen from FFS, there would indeed be a change!

Eventually the time for me to get to Montreal arrived.  I flew out there, stayed one night in the lovely Gite BnB, then went to the hospital and waited to go in.

Everyone at the hospital was very nice and patient with me.  I took one last selfie of my "old" face as I waited in my room and was eventually called up. 

I sat in a small private waiting area with another woman going for SRS.  We chatted for a few minutes, she was from Boston and had a friend who actually came to Bensimon a few weeks earlier.  She was quite pleased with the results - Another positive review.  I met with Dr. Bensimon, finally in person, and he looked over my face saying it had the potential to be very feminine (reassuring!), he expressed uncertainty about my jaw and nose though.  Initially he wanted to shave the jaw down and reduce the angle but upon seeing me in person believed the angle wasn't that bad and that my issue was muscle instead of bone.  He said shaving the bone probably wouldn't have that much of an effect but he'll make the final call during the surgery.  As for my nose, I have a deep scar right between my eyes and he was concerned about how that would affect the rhinoplasty but said he'll work with it.  With that, he left and I met the anesthesiologist who took me into the operating room, laid me down on the bed, got me all set and then a few seconds later...I was out.

I came to about 4 hours afterward, groggy as hell from the drugs.  I won't go into too much detail about my stay in the hospital.  Suffice it to say, I vomited a lot and felt really bad for the nurses (who were mostly very good), I also didn't sleep a wink.  I managed to take a selfie of my beat up self...only to discover, I really didn't look that bad.  A little swollen, barely any bruising...asking myself if I saw a girl staring back instead of my old face.  I couldn't really tell...

The next morning, Dr. Bensimon came in to see me expressing how pleased he was with how the surgery went.  I asked about the scar on my nose as well as the tip since there was a bump on it.   He said the scar caused no issue at all and described what he did for the tip. This description though sounded like he made my nose longer instead of shorter (was too drugged to process and ask about it).  I asked about my jaw, turns out he didn't shave it, repeating that he believed my issue was muscle.  He suggested botox instead, something we could arrange next week at my follow-up.  He also said the angle of my jaw was too close to an artery and he didn't want to risk killing me (hard to argue that logic).  Afterward he left, and I went to spend a week at a friend's place to recover.

The first few days were pretty tough but gradually I regained my energy and could get up and about.  My reflection bothered me though...the bruising and more swelling came, but I still didn't look that beat up compared to other FFS survivors out there.  And, now that my head was cleared of the drugs, I could honestly ask myself...did I see a girl staring back at me - I didn't.

As the days went by, the bruising started to clear and the swelling subsided a fair bit...I struggled to see what "feminizing" was actually done.  This upset me but everyone said, it's okay you're still swollen, give it time.  They could see feminine changes but I couldn't.  I thought it was an "Emperor's New Clothes" situation, people just telling me what they thought I wanted to here.  I then looked at photos of some close friends who had FFS and their results shocked me, even in their worst state, horribly bruised and swollen...they looked female.  Here I was with bruising and swelling going down and I was wondering what actually happened?  I know I went through major surgery...but didn't see any feminizing, the entire point of the surgery. 

My head was pretty clear for the follow-up with Dr. Bensimon.  My nose stent was taken off and I finally got to see my new nose, it was...unremarkable.  Dr. Bensimon said it would continue to go down and get more delicate.  We then did botox in my jaw and was told it'll be about a month before I see results.  I expressed that I wasn't really seeing results from the surgery, he seemed surprised and showed me "before" pics, both he and the friend I was said there were changes.  I squinted and looked but honestly barely saw anything.

That last part is how my recovery has been.  I'm now almost 1.5 months post-op, bruising is long gone and only minimal swelling is left inside my nose...I still only barely see a difference.  My profile is different, yes, but my new nose is still too big.  My adam's apple, while definitely reduced, is still too present.  Any changes are subtle at best and I don't in any way see any real feminizing compared to work from other surgeons.  I'll be sending some pics to Montreal and want to investigate revisions but I'm not even sure what to ask for.  Saying I'm not "feminine" enough is too subjective...all I know is that when I look at my pics compared to other FFS patients, the difference is night and day. 

Bensimon's conservative nature became a reality for me.  I wasn't expecting miracles, surgery can only do so much, especially after hearing about his methods.  I went in with lowered expectations, trying to stay grounded in reality, and still came out disappointed.  Bensimon didn't even hit the lowered expectations and that hurts.  One of the biggest surgeries of my life and it's instead become one of the biggest letdowns, a real heartbreak. 

I don't want to criticize his work though, I believe he did what he intended on doing but his vision was far more subtle than my own.  To be completely fair to him, I wasn't as vocal with my vision as I should have been.  My excuse here is that, given he appears to be Canada's most reputable FFS surgeon (working with Brassard reaffirms that reputation), I believed what he was saying would be sufficient enough for me.  In hindsight, I should have spoken up. 

Also, things could have gone much much worse.  I am grateful there were no complications, scars are healing decently, and a subtle outcome is better than a botched outcome.  The whole experience, despite having some really rough moments, was honestly quite smooth.  The only real downside was the results...alas, that's also one of, if not, the most important part of all this.

I'll be sending pics to Dr. Bensimon's office soon and investigating revisions.  It really bugs me as I was hoping this would be a one-time deal.  Instead I feel like it's going to set me back a year or two, or more, as I'll have to let this finish healing before going under the knife again.  Not to mention gather funds and arrange time off work.  This is tricky considering there are other surgeries I'm looking for as well.  Another question is whether I would want to go back to Benismon?  I don't think I trust his work and paid a lot for that lesson.  I know others have had very pleasing results but I wasn't too lucky there.  *sigh*

Speaking of pics, am I overreacting?  Am I blind to the changes because I'm so focused on the old face?  Do I have a right to be upset?









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Dani

Cheria,

I think that your nose and trachea are much more feminine. Your surgeon did a fine job on those areas.

I had FFS about 8 months ago and my nose has just now healed. Noses take a lot of time. 6 months to a year is not uncommon.

If your vision of what you want is not there yet, then you need to make some solid requests for what needs to be changed. Consults with other surgeons is highly recommended. Also consider photo editing software such as Faceapp that specializes in MTF to help you pinpoint the exact changes you desire.

Keep in mind that how others see you may not be what you see in the mirror. There are limits on how much can be done.
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kat69

Personally I do see the positive (and more feminine) changes to your face, though I'll have to admit they are more noticeable in profile than face-on.  I know it is very difficult to see change take so long, and not always to your expectations.  We always seem to focus on those aspects which don't match our ideal, my eyes always get drawn to my receding hairline even though I am very pleased with my hair growth.  Don't forget that there are many ciswomen who have repetitive facial surgeries in pursuit of their ideal look, and they don't always achieve it either.
Therapy - December 2015
Out to Family - 15 September 2016
Start of Transition - 28 October 2016
Full Time - 2 November 2016
HRT - 23 November 2016
GCS - 30 April 2018 (Dr Brassard)



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AlexisRene

First just want to say thank you for posting your review & for sharing the photos.

I do agree that his results lean mostly conservative that I have seen. Not all, but most. That does not mean it is necessarily a bad thing. You have the right to be upset if you wanted more. Specifically if you paid for more & do not feel that you received it.

Am not sure what he covers for revisions if you request it. Some state free of charge, but you may have to pay for clinic/surgical anesthesia time or other fees where others truly are just the return trip & stay. Also not sure what constitutes a revision as in want vs medically needed.

Maybe just see how things settle & continue to heal in the next 6-9 months as you have your upcoming SRS date.

Not sure how much of a budget you may have left if you choose to go elsewhere in the future for further ffs procedures. But Dr Rossi in Buenos Aires, Argentina & Dr Telang in Mumbai India are worth researching. Both in results & costs. Among many others. Just throwing out ideas & wish you the best.   
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cheria

Thanks for your input, Alexis.

I have a follow-up with Dr. Bensimon in December when I'm back for SRS, though I may send some pics prior to at least voice my concerns.  I also need to figure out the best way to word things as simply saying I want to appear more "feminine" probably isn't very helpful without specifics.  Part of me even feels embarrassed asking for that, yet appearing more feminine is kind of the entire point of the surgery.

Thanks for the alternate surgeon suggestions. I've always wanted to go to either Argentina or India, but may save that for another trip. Dr. Z in Chicago is likely who I'd consider if things with Dr. Bensimon don't go favourably.

Regardless, I'll keep updating this thread for the sake of others researching surgeons.
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Bari Jo

Quote from: cheria on October 24, 2017, 07:05:54 PM
Regardless, I'll keep updating this thread for the sake of others researching surgeons.

Thank you for keeping it updated.  I'm researching and am really just lurking since I'm new to this.  I'm interested in FFS, just trying to figure all the one, it's, surgeons, locations, procedures, etc...

Bari Jo
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Allison S

Thank you for sharing! Did you only have your nose and trachea worked on? I know you didn't ask but I honestly think hairline, angle of eyes, cheeks and chin can really "feminize" a person's face. I know for myself my nose, chin, forehead and maybe jaw line are my problem areas. I'm thinking a surgeon may mention cheek implants but I don't know how I feel about implants on my face.
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cheria

Here are the procedures he did:

- type 2 forehead recontouring and orbital rims
- scalp advancement
- open rhinoplasty
- lip fat graft
- chin recontouring
- trach shave
- Botox in jaw muscles

Sounds more impressive on paper. :/
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staciM

Are you unhappy with specific areas or just the overall impression?

I wouldn't be embarrassed or apprehensive about asking for what you want.  You are the customer paying for a service..... and should  expect results.  Be upfront with exactly what you want and what you expect. 

Nothing personal but I'm honestly shocked that so many girls go into surgeries with nothing but blind trust that the surgeon knows what they want.  Speak up girl!!  [emoji4]
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cheria

Thanks for the advice, staciM.

I'd say I'm unhappy with both specific areas and the overall impression.  Kinda like the job was started but not finished.

A couple updates on my part. Now that swelling has mostly gone, I've been feeling around my new face and discovered what feels like a 'chip' or small piece of bone missing from one of my orbital rims. I'm not sure how to describe it but feels like a gap in one of the rims. The other rim is perfectly smooth with no gaps. It's barely noticeable but causes some discomfort throughout the day with facial expressions and even while applying/removing makeup. It's a dull pain, akin to pressing on a pressure point.  I'm guessing an X-ray is the only way to know exactly what it is.

I emailed Bensimon's office this past Thursday expressing my concerns about the 'chip' and feeling that the outcome is far more subtle than expected. I wrote two drafts of the email; one being rather aggressive and the other a bit more calm. I went ahead with the calm one despite being so upset.

No response so far, hopefully it won't be much longer and something positive comes of it.
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cheria

Dr. Bensimon called me the other day and we've traded a few emails since. While I got some answers, he did not fill me with much confidence.

The 'chip' in one of my orbital rims is not a chip. Rather, it's apparently a bone canal called the supraorbital notch which carries a facial nerve.  The canal is sometimes revealed while shaving down the orbital rim. Dr. Bensimon's only concern with its appearance was whether I had regained sensation in my forehead by now. Thankfully I have, otherwise no sensation would indicate the nerve was damaged, which wouldn't be good.  Any discomfort from the notch should subside in time while the area continues to heal. That said, the notch itself won't heal over, meaning it's now a permanent part of my forehead. I could have sworn he said they could fill it but apparently I misunderstood as, when I asked for clarification in an email, he said they actually don't fill or patch the notch as that can lead to pressure on the nerve. I'm not sure what to think of that answer given all the miraculous things surgeons can do, they seriously can't patch up a small hole to cover the canal back up? 

When I expressed concern over how subtle the surgery was, he assured me there was still swelling in my nose, chin and neck and to allow more time. More time may be neccessry but I think it would take a miracle for my opinion of things to change.  Being just shy of 2 months post-op, there is still nothing about his work that leaves me feeling hopeful.

Dr. Bensimon also said he approaches FFS in stages. The first stage was the must-do areas, like bone work. The second, or even third stage would be things that are good to do for enhancement.  Too much change at once can be jarring and said I didn't want to come out looking like a different person (actually, that was kind of a huge part of paying thousands of dollars for FFS, to look very different and get rid of as much male as possible). I'm not sure if he explained his approach during our consultation. Perhaps he did but I didn't process it properly, believing the procedures we discussed would be sufficient, trusting his experience and guidance. Now that surgery is over though, I'm perplexed at how non-impactful everything was.  He continues to sing his own praise though, commenting on how pleased he is with how things are turning out.  I personally disagree, the first stage (the rough, must-do areas) was completely unimpressive and leaves me wondering if I actually want to continue working with him.

I also inquired about my nose shape, asking if it would become more concave in time and, if not, what was his policy on revisions.  He responded saying he's not expecting it to go concave and that he didn't think I'd need revisions.  This response really bothered me.  Shape aside (which also really bothers me), he didn't answer my question about his revision policy and rather simply said he didn't think I'd need any.  This is another example of me finding him rather dismissive, "he thinks this", "he thinks that", "he thinks"....it's always what he thinks, I can't recall a single time when he asked for my input, my opinion, my vision, my goals, and when I express something he appears to just brush it aside. 

When asked about other procedures we could do, like additional fat grafts around my eyes, he sounded defensive and hesitant, stuttering even, expressing how tricky things can be.  Frankly, I don't care how tricky things can be...I've seen far too many examples of transwomen going into FFS far more masculine than myself and coming out appearing far more feminine as well.  Clearly achieving my goals is possible, why are things so tricky with me when I supposedly already started with a somewhat feminine face shape? 

The overall conversation left me less than impressed, his conservative nature more apparent than ever, and I continue to regret staying in Canada for such an important surgery.  At this point in time, despite positive reviews (some even on this site), I personally would not recommend Dr. Bensimon for FFS.  Maybe if you were only looking for minor corrections, but anything more is a crapshoot.

We have a follow-up in December when I'm back in Montreal for SRS, so we'll see what another month does for healing. 
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cheria

Hi everyone,

As promised here is the latest update from my experience with Dr. Bensimon after our recent follow-up while I was in Montreal for SRS.

He came to see me in Brassard's recovery home, comically (and very awkwardly) arriving during a dilation session (wonderful timing!). He observed my face, how it's healing, and is still pleased with how things are turning out despite me saying I don't feel an inch closer to passing as a regular woman than before FFS. He maintained that we completed the "must do" elements and offered suggestions on how to enhance. He feels, and I agree, that the next step is to fill in the hollows in my face (cheeks, around eyes and temples) and to also do a lip lift. He suggested doing regular facial fillers rather than fat grafts however, this confused me as the latter are more permanent. He feels that, despite being more permanent, fat grafts can be unpredictable patient to patient. He admitted to not liking to work with them as much and that they should be subtle.

He also suggested I try gaining some weight to see how that helps. He's not the first doctor to suggest this but gaining weight has been a lifelong struggle for me (even as a sedentary, pot head, fast food junkie).  That said, if I wanted facial fillers he'd be pleased to help (regular or fat grafts).

Another suggestion he made really surprised me, while he said he'd love to continue helping me, he acknowledged travelling to Montreal for these other procedures may be unnecessary and offered to help me find doctors back in my home city, Winnipeg. He also offered to research any doctors I was curious about to confirm their capabilities, and said I could email him personally anytime.

I was admittedly confused by this offer. On one hand, it was very kind of him as it suggested he's not trying to oversell and take more of my money. But, on the other hand, it almost made me feel like he was pushing me away so he wouldn't have to deal with me anymore. Perhaps that's reading into things too much though, I'm not sure, but will consider his offer.

Regarding my thoughts on how my FFS is healing, I am just shy of 3 months post-op and still very displeased with it and feel that Dr. Bensimon, despite apparent kindness, is far too conservative. I have nicknamed him "Dr. Bare Minimum". I think I would only recommend him for FFS if you don't actually need FFS and only want to do minimal work. If you're looking for actual, significant, changes (the whole point of FFS for me) then expect his conservative nature to break up your FFS into segments and extend your transition. This might be okay for some, but it wasn't for me.

He is very kind, but I believe I still maintain my regret in choosing him over other surgeons in different countries. Shame on me for wanting to remain in Canada for something so important.
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AlexisRene

 Thank you for posting the updates. He clearly knows you are not happy or completely happy & has opted to help you find a Doc to do fillers. That is definitely your cue to look elsewhere for further procedures.

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